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Mother Jones and NBC???????Maybe you can provide proof of this.A 12 week old fetus doesn't feel any pain.
Any creature feels pain......they just don't understand it the same way.
Do you know how to use the Google?
Study Fetus feels no pain until third trimester - Health - Women s health NBC News
Fetuses Feel Pain at 20 Weeks and 4 Other Anti-Abortion Myths Mother Jones
You can't be serious????
Give me a friggen break!!!
Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco reviewed dozens of studies and medical reports and said the data indicate that fetuses likely are incapable of feeling pain until around the seventh month of pregnancy, when they are about 28 weeks old.
Based on the evidence, discussions of fetal pain for abortions performed before the end of the second trimester should not be mandatory, according to the study appearing in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association.
It says "likely" are incapable of feeling pain.......meaning it is an opinion.....not a fact.
What is it connected too?Mother Jones and NBC???????Maybe you can provide proof of this.
Any creature feels pain......they just don't understand it the same way.
Do you know how to use the Google?
Study Fetus feels no pain until third trimester - Health - Women s health NBC News
Fetuses Feel Pain at 20 Weeks and 4 Other Anti-Abortion Myths Mother Jones
You can't be serious????
Give me a friggen break!!!
Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco reviewed dozens of studies and medical reports and said the data indicate that fetuses likely are incapable of feeling pain until around the seventh month of pregnancy, when they are about 28 weeks old.
Based on the evidence, discussions of fetal pain for abortions performed before the end of the second trimester should not be mandatory, according to the study appearing in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association.
It says "likely" are incapable of feeling pain.......meaning it is an opinion.....not a fact.
You keep thinking that.
In the early months of gestation, the body is building a framework of blood vessels and cartilage and nerves and muscle, but none of it is connected to work as it does in a human being.
"I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally..."What is it connected too?Mother Jones and NBC???????
You can't be serious????
Give me a friggen break!!!
Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco reviewed dozens of studies and medical reports and said the data indicate that fetuses likely are incapable of feeling pain until around the seventh month of pregnancy, when they are about 28 weeks old.
Based on the evidence, discussions of fetal pain for abortions performed before the end of the second trimester should not be mandatory, according to the study appearing in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association.
It says "likely" are incapable of feeling pain.......meaning it is an opinion.....not a fact.
You keep thinking that.
In the early months of gestation, the body is building a framework of blood vessels and cartilage and nerves and muscle, but none of it is connected to work as it does in a human being.
Being a vegetable? Of course everything about the process is the work of creating a human-being. I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally, you are committing a crime if you abort a child.
The reason the Bible doesn't talk about when a baby becomes a viable human-being is because it assumes that children must be protected in the womb or outside no matter how developed they are. It says specifically that anyone who does anything to harm the innocent are committing a terrible crime. He spoke specifically about molestation, because abortion wasn't an issue back then, but bringing harm to children at any stage "it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he was drowned in the depth of the sea.”
So if you are willing to risk it, go ahead and murder the unborn.
I was wondering, do you have to take it out of the pan before it can be called a pancake?.......You failed by comparing humans to pancakes... Good Grief man, get a grip how bout it, I mean how silly is your post or OP ? I'd say it's a ten on the silly scale that consist of the numbers one through ten.I've been looking at fake pictures of the fetus on religious extremist sites and was wondering where I might find the above question in scripture?
And when does a pancake become a pancake? An egg and flour have the potential to become a pancake, but it's not really a pancake. When you add all the ingredients of flour, milk, and eggs, it's still not a pancake....it's only batter. It becomes a pancake when the cook decides it's cooked and ready.
To say a fetus is human, is the same as calling the batter a pancake.
Sperm has the potential of creating a human life. A hair has the potential of creating a human life, given potential cloning techniques.
(I'm just pointing out the silliness of this argument)
A potential baby becomes a baby when and if the mother decides it so....when the fetus can live on it's own, right around the neighborhood of 7 months of gestation.
I've been looking at fake pictures of the fetus on religious extremist sites and was wondering where I might find the above question in scripture?
And when does a pancake become a pancake? An egg and flour have the potential to become a pancake, but it's not really a pancake. When you add all the ingredients of flour, milk, and eggs, it's still not a pancake....it's only batter. It becomes a pancake when the cook decides it's cooked and ready.
To say a fetus is human, is the same as calling the batter a pancake.
Sperm has the potential of creating a human life. A hair has the potential of creating a human life, given potential cloning techniques.
(I'm just pointing out the silliness of this argument)
A potential baby becomes a baby when and if the mother decides it so....when the fetus can live on it's own, right around the neighborhood of 7 months of gestation.
Yes, it's bogus. A 12 week old fetus does tend to be difficult to locate among the blood, tissue and blood clots that come from a miscarriage, being that they are so small. But, when the fetus/embryo is found, all you have to do is look at the arms and know there is no possible way it can rub its eyes. The arms are not long enough.
they do, however, legitimately answer the question, which was "what does the Bible say about......"These bible passages were written by men, devoid of fact and authority, and are consequently legally and Constitutionally irrelevant.Jeremiah 1:4-5 ESV /
Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Psalm 127:3 ESV /
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Exodus 21:22-25English Standard Version (ESV)
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm,[a] then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
One is at liberty to use such subjective religious dogma to guide his personal life, but he is not at liberty to use such subjective religious dogma as justification to compel conformity in secular law.
I imagine any doctor out there could tell you the difference in a second......if not, there is always DNA evidence........A 12 week fetus is indistinguishable from any other placental animal at the same stage of development, at that stage there is little difference between a human, a dog, a mouse, or an elephant.
Any reproductive procedure is very tightly wrapped in the legal protections of "women's healthcare", whether it is a matter of health or simply convenience. I know it's not cool to want to protect the life of "unborns". Frankly, birthdays are only counted once the baby leaves the birthcanal....primarily because the actual conception date and time are sort of an unknown.....or at least are today...and have always been so. Not to mention the stigma that surrounds sex. So once the baby is free of the protections (or non-protections) of a mother's womb is what has always been considered the date of birth."I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally..."What is it connected too?Mother Jones and NBC???????
You can't be serious????
Give me a friggen break!!!
Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco reviewed dozens of studies and medical reports and said the data indicate that fetuses likely are incapable of feeling pain until around the seventh month of pregnancy, when they are about 28 weeks old.
Based on the evidence, discussions of fetal pain for abortions performed before the end of the second trimester should not be mandatory, according to the study appearing in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association.
It says "likely" are incapable of feeling pain.......meaning it is an opinion.....not a fact.
You keep thinking that.
In the early months of gestation, the body is building a framework of blood vessels and cartilage and nerves and muscle, but none of it is connected to work as it does in a human being.
Being a vegetable? Of course everything about the process is the work of creating a human-being. I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally, you are committing a crime if you abort a child.
The reason the Bible doesn't talk about when a baby becomes a viable human-being is because it assumes that children must be protected in the womb or outside no matter how developed they are. It says specifically that anyone who does anything to harm the innocent are committing a terrible crime. He spoke specifically about molestation, because abortion wasn't an issue back then, but bringing harm to children at any stage "it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he was drowned in the depth of the sea.”
So if you are willing to risk it, go ahead and murder the unborn.
Well actually, there are laws that establish a reasonable compromise between issues such as woman's health, her choices in consultation with her family, conscience and doctor and the issue of viability relative to a developing fetus.
Out of the madrassah and into the womb zealots will be required to abide by the law.
lol.....is that from 1 Imagination 4:2?......I've been looking at fake pictures of the fetus on religious extremist sites and was wondering where I might find the above question in scripture?
And when does a pancake become a pancake? An egg and flour have the potential to become a pancake, but it's not really a pancake. When you add all the ingredients of flour, milk, and eggs, it's still not a pancake....it's only batter. It becomes a pancake when the cook decides it's cooked and ready.
To say a fetus is human, is the same as calling the batter a pancake.
Sperm has the potential of creating a human life. A hair has the potential of creating a human life, given potential cloning techniques.
(I'm just pointing out the silliness of this argument)
A potential baby becomes a baby when and if the mother decides it so....when the fetus can live on it's own, right around the neighborhood of 7 months of gestation.
The Bible teaches that once the "fetus" passes out of the womb at birth the soul fairy comes by with her magic wand and makes it a human being with a live soul.
yet you have no problem with the law making YOUR beliefs the law......the first amendment prevents you from making your religious beliefs into MY law.
keep your own beliefs. stay out of mine. i don't believe in yours.
The majority of Americans support abortion rights:
Majority Supports Legal Abortion But Details Indicate Ambivalence - ABC News
The debate occurs over limitations beginning at 20 weeks or at 24 weeks.
Regards from Rosie
Abortion polls 2014 Do most Americans think most abortions should be illegal
The report claims that these numbers show most Americans think abortion should be illegal in all but a few cases:
Do you even read your own link?
In YOUR link it says that those numbers are a result of pro-life spin.
The actual number who think abortion should be legal in at least the first trimester is 61%
Go back and reread your own link. It doesn't say what you think it does.
Your number is a Fox News type lie. The news channel that got a Federal Judge's permission to air lies.
Regards from Rosie
Why do keep insisting on using Fox when my links have been Gallup and Saletan.
I copied the words right from the link of Saletan not Fox.
Gallup 77% identify as Christian.
You said The 20th Century almost completely removed religion from secular society.
I said that you are wrong because 75% of this country is Christian
In U.S. 77 Identify as Christian
I said nothing about gay marriage you brought that up.
You need to stop twisting and adding things.
I am telling you that you are wildly exaggerating.
America is not a Christian nation and was not founded to be one.
Today's laws are not written to be in accord with or follow the Bible.
A good percentage of Americans who call themselves Christian belong to liberal Christian sects and support abortion rights.
You cannot just throw a number out and then avoid learning what these numbers actually mean
It would help if you would actually read your OWN link first. I should not have to teach you what your own link says.
Regards from Rosie
Before such philosophical questions arose during the enlightenment our more primitive ancestors didn't consider an infant a person until it was accepted by the father, if not it was usually abandoned to the night scavengers at the edge of the village. The practice was so ubiquitous as to go unremarked in the bible except for the story of Moses which had a happy ending.
It doesn't and in fact God was okay with abortion.I've been looking at fake pictures of the fetus on religious extremist sites and was wondering where I might find the above question in scripture?
And when does a pancake become a pancake? An egg and flour have the potential to become a pancake, but it's not really a pancake. When you add all the ingredients of flour, milk, and eggs, it's still not a pancake....it's only batter. It becomes a pancake when the cook decides it's cooked and ready.
To say a fetus is human, is the same as calling the batter a pancake.
Sperm has the potential of creating a human life. A hair has the potential of creating a human life, given potential cloning techniques.
(I'm just pointing out the silliness of this argument)
A potential baby becomes a baby when and if the mother decides it so....when the fetus can live on it's own, right around the neighborhood of 7 months of gestation.
It doesn't and in fact God was okay with abortion.I've been looking at fake pictures of the fetus on religious extremist sites and was wondering where I might find the above question in scripture?
And when does a pancake become a pancake? An egg and flour have the potential to become a pancake, but it's not really a pancake. When you add all the ingredients of flour, milk, and eggs, it's still not a pancake....it's only batter. It becomes a pancake when the cook decides it's cooked and ready.
To say a fetus is human, is the same as calling the batter a pancake.
Sperm has the potential of creating a human life. A hair has the potential of creating a human life, given potential cloning techniques.
(I'm just pointing out the silliness of this argument)
A potential baby becomes a baby when and if the mother decides it so....when the fetus can live on it's own, right around the neighborhood of 7 months of gestation.
Any reproductive procedure is very tightly wrapped in the legal protections of "women's healthcare", whether it is a matter of health or simply convenience. I know it's not cool to want to protect the life of "unborns". Frankly, birthdays are only counted once the baby leaves the birthcanal....primarily because the actual conception date and time are sort of an unknown.....or at least are today...and have always been so. Not to mention the stigma that surrounds sex. So once the baby is free of the protections (or non-protections) of a mother's womb is what has always been considered the date of birth."I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally..."What is it connected too?Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco reviewed dozens of studies and medical reports and said the data indicate that fetuses likely are incapable of feeling pain until around the seventh month of pregnancy, when they are about 28 weeks old.
Based on the evidence, discussions of fetal pain for abortions performed before the end of the second trimester should not be mandatory, according to the study appearing in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association.
It says "likely" are incapable of feeling pain.......meaning it is an opinion.....not a fact.
You keep thinking that.
In the early months of gestation, the body is building a framework of blood vessels and cartilage and nerves and muscle, but none of it is connected to work as it does in a human being.
Being a vegetable? Of course everything about the process is the work of creating a human-being. I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally, you are committing a crime if you abort a child.
The reason the Bible doesn't talk about when a baby becomes a viable human-being is because it assumes that children must be protected in the womb or outside no matter how developed they are. It says specifically that anyone who does anything to harm the innocent are committing a terrible crime. He spoke specifically about molestation, because abortion wasn't an issue back then, but bringing harm to children at any stage "it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he was drowned in the depth of the sea.”
So if you are willing to risk it, go ahead and murder the unborn.
Well actually, there are laws that establish a reasonable compromise between issues such as woman's health, her choices in consultation with her family, conscience and doctor and the issue of viability relative to a developing fetus.
Out of the madrassah and into the womb zealots will be required to abide by the law.
I'm just glad my parents weren't into small families, because I am the youngest of 5. My mother was "punished with a baby" several times. I wouldn't even be here if my parents were Clintons or Obama's who think big families are a curse.
Women's health care is not about your extremist beliefs.yet you have no problem with the law making YOUR beliefs the law......the first amendment prevents you from making your religious beliefs into MY law.
keep your own beliefs. stay out of mine. i don't believe in yours.
There are a few but here is one to get you started:It doesn't and in fact God was okay with abortion.I've been looking at fake pictures of the fetus on religious extremist sites and was wondering where I might find the above question in scripture?
And when does a pancake become a pancake? An egg and flour have the potential to become a pancake, but it's not really a pancake. When you add all the ingredients of flour, milk, and eggs, it's still not a pancake....it's only batter. It becomes a pancake when the cook decides it's cooked and ready.
To say a fetus is human, is the same as calling the batter a pancake.
Sperm has the potential of creating a human life. A hair has the potential of creating a human life, given potential cloning techniques.
(I'm just pointing out the silliness of this argument)
A potential baby becomes a baby when and if the mother decides it so....when the fetus can live on it's own, right around the neighborhood of 7 months of gestation.
Bible link please.
Any reproductive procedure is very tightly wrapped in the legal protections of "women's healthcare", whether it is a matter of health or simply convenience. I know it's not cool to want to protect the life of "unborns". Frankly, birthdays are only counted once the baby leaves the birthcanal....primarily because the actual conception date and time are sort of an unknown.....or at least are today...and have always been so. Not to mention the stigma that surrounds sex. So once the baby is free of the protections (or non-protections) of a mother's womb is what has always been considered the date of birth."I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally..."What is it connected too?It says "likely" are incapable of feeling pain.......meaning it is an opinion.....not a fact.
You keep thinking that.
In the early months of gestation, the body is building a framework of blood vessels and cartilage and nerves and muscle, but none of it is connected to work as it does in a human being.
Being a vegetable? Of course everything about the process is the work of creating a human-being. I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally, you are committing a crime if you abort a child.
The reason the Bible doesn't talk about when a baby becomes a viable human-being is because it assumes that children must be protected in the womb or outside no matter how developed they are. It says specifically that anyone who does anything to harm the innocent are committing a terrible crime. He spoke specifically about molestation, because abortion wasn't an issue back then, but bringing harm to children at any stage "it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he was drowned in the depth of the sea.”
So if you are willing to risk it, go ahead and murder the unborn.
Well actually, there are laws that establish a reasonable compromise between issues such as woman's health, her choices in consultation with her family, conscience and doctor and the issue of viability relative to a developing fetus.
Out of the madrassah and into the womb zealots will be required to abide by the law.
I'm just glad my parents weren't into small families, because I am the youngest of 5. My mother was "punished with a baby" several times. I wouldn't even be here if my parents were Clintons or Obama's who think big families are a curse.Women's health care is not about your extremist beliefs.yet you have no problem with the law making YOUR beliefs the law......the first amendment prevents you from making your religious beliefs into MY law.
keep your own beliefs. stay out of mine. i don't believe in yours.
yet you have no problem with the law making YOUR beliefs the law......the first amendment prevents you from making your religious beliefs into MY law.
keep your own beliefs. stay out of mine. i don't believe in yours.
Any reproductive procedure is very tightly wrapped in the legal protections of "women's healthcare", whether it is a matter of health or simply convenience. I know it's not cool to want to protect the life of "unborns". Frankly, birthdays are only counted once the baby leaves the birthcanal....primarily because the actual conception date and time are sort of an unknown.....or at least are today...and have always been so. Not to mention the stigma that surrounds sex. So once the baby is free of the protections (or non-protections) of a mother's womb is what has always been considered the date of birth."I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally..."What is it connected too?You keep thinking that.
In the early months of gestation, the body is building a framework of blood vessels and cartilage and nerves and muscle, but none of it is connected to work as it does in a human being.
Being a vegetable? Of course everything about the process is the work of creating a human-being. I don't care what laws you try to erect to protect you legally, you are committing a crime if you abort a child.
The reason the Bible doesn't talk about when a baby becomes a viable human-being is because it assumes that children must be protected in the womb or outside no matter how developed they are. It says specifically that anyone who does anything to harm the innocent are committing a terrible crime. He spoke specifically about molestation, because abortion wasn't an issue back then, but bringing harm to children at any stage "it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he was drowned in the depth of the sea.”
So if you are willing to risk it, go ahead and murder the unborn.
Well actually, there are laws that establish a reasonable compromise between issues such as woman's health, her choices in consultation with her family, conscience and doctor and the issue of viability relative to a developing fetus.
Out of the madrassah and into the womb zealots will be required to abide by the law.
I'm just glad my parents weren't into small families, because I am the youngest of 5. My mother was "punished with a baby" several times. I wouldn't even be here if my parents were Clintons or Obama's who think big families are a curse.Women's health care is not about your extremist beliefs.yet you have no problem with the law making YOUR beliefs the law......the first amendment prevents you from making your religious beliefs into MY law.
keep your own beliefs. stay out of mine. i don't believe in yours.
We have no problem with it being women's health or to educate them that it is not just a lump of cells.
We do have a problem with abortion for convenience which makes that little life inside meaningless.
