Where FDR Went Wrong

[jgarden]

..... He opposed it on conservative, American principles that historically the Republican Party has stood for. FDR stole private property, oppressed, terrorized, and deprived innocent people - the majority US CITIZENS of their freedom and in several cases their lives. This is just what the democrat party has historically stood for. Are you getting this yet?

The real reason that conservatives, in their hearts, will never forgive FDR is the fact that he was re-elected for 4 consecutive terms - Republicans have always had trouble coming to terms with rejection!

 

[NYcarbineer]

All this work by conservatives trying to bring FDR down a peg or two, but for all their work, FDR retained his number one position. Since conservatives seem unable to lower FDR's position from first, perhaps conservatives should have worked on raising Bush's rating from fifth worst American president all the way up to sixth worst? Could it be done?

Conservative propagandists, when attacking liberals, love to frame arguments in a manner that sets the minimum standard as 'perfect',

and then anything less than perfect is a failing grade. Less than perfect = evil.

A perfect FDR would have destroyed Nazism, Japanese imperialism, Italian fascism, Soviet communism, Chinese communism, Korean communism, plus any other contemporary bad guys in the universe;

since he didn't, he receives the less than perfect failing grade from the right, and thus earns the label of 'evil'.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All this work by conservatives trying to bring FDR down a peg or two, but for all their work, FDR retained his number one position. Since conservatives seem unable to lower FDR's position from first, perhaps conservatives should have worked on raising Bush's rating from fifth worst American president all the way up to sixth worst? Could it be done?

His #1 position only means that historians are using a scale that does not have American values on it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All this work by conservatives trying to bring FDR down a peg or two, but for all their work, FDR retained his number one position. Since conservatives seem unable to lower FDR's position from first, perhaps conservatives should have worked on raising Bush's rating from fifth worst American president all the way up to sixth worst? Could it be done?

Conservative propagandists, when attacking liberals, love to frame arguments in a manner that sets the minimum standard as 'perfect',

and then anything less than perfect is a failing grade. Less than perfect = evil.

A perfect FDR would have destroyed Nazism, Japanese imperialism, Italian fascism, Soviet communism, Chinese communism, Korean communism, plus any other contemporary bad guys in the universe;

since he didn't, he receives the less than perfect failing grade from the right, and thus earns the label of 'evil'.

Instead FDR came to the rescue of Chinese Communism and handed over Eastern Europe to the Soviet Communists.

What's so great about that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You really need to work on your reading skills. Go back and read through the exchange again. Or are you being deliberately dishonest now - AGAIN?

Did that misrepresent your position?

Let me restate it then. You posted the example of Ralph Carr as a Republican who opposed the internment,

BUT, you know full well that one anecdotal example does not prove any larger point.

Therefore your reference to that individual was pointless.

Better?

He opposed it on conservative, American principles that historically the Republican Party has stood for. FDR stole private property, oppressed, terrorized, and deprived innocent people - the majority US CITIZENS of their freedom and in several cases their lives. This is just what the democrat party has historically stood for. Are you getting this yet?

I'm getting that you are implicitly admitting that the Republican Party of today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the Republican Party of the past.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Has the author of this thread blamed Woodrow Wilson for not stopping the Russian Revolution 1917?

Did I miss that thread?

lol

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ok.

Time to break up a few stereotypes, destroy some preconceived notions, and fry every ones frontal lobes a bit. A classic, unimpeachably conservative, columnists opinion of FDR;

Defaming FDR | National Review Online

Nigga, please!

 

[percysunshine]

Ok.

Time to break up a few stereotypes, destroy some preconceived notions, and fry every ones frontal lobes a bit. A classic, unimpeachably conservative, columnists opinion of FDR;

Defaming FDR | National Review Online

Nigga, please!

That's one frontal lobe fried. I need one more for 'mission accomplished'.

 

[midcan5]

Ok.

Time to break up a few stereotypes, destroy some preconceived notions, and fry every ones frontal lobes a bit. A classic, unimpeachably conservative, columnists opinion of FDR;

Defaming FDR | National Review Online

Great find. Maybe PC is secretly Diana West? McCarthy On Steroids | FrontPage Magazine

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

 

[Unkotare]

..... He opposed it on conservative, American principles that historically the Republican Party has stood for. FDR stole private property, oppressed, terrorized, and deprived innocent people - the majority US CITIZENS of their freedom and in several cases their lives. This is just what the democrat party has historically stood for. Are you getting this yet?

The real reason that conservatives, in their hearts, will never forgive FDR is the fact that he was re-elected for 4 consecutive terms - Republicans have always had trouble coming to terms with rejection!

The threat he represented to our principles as Americans and to the very structure of our government is one more on a long list of his faults.

 

[Unkotare]

All this work by conservatives trying to bring FDR down a peg or two, but for all their work, FDR retained his number one position. Since conservatives seem unable to lower FDR's position from first, perhaps conservatives should have worked on raising Bush's rating from fifth worst American president all the way up to sixth worst? Could it be done?

Conservative propagandists, when attacking liberals, love to frame arguments in a manner that sets the minimum standard as 'perfect'

Keeping innocent people - AMERICAN CITIZENS in concentration camps with barbed wire and armed guard towers, violating their persons and property, is a hell of a lot more than just "not perfect," you dissembler.

 

[Unkotare]

Did that misrepresent your position?

Let me restate it then. You posted the example of Ralph Carr as a Republican who opposed the internment,

BUT, you know full well that one anecdotal example does not prove any larger point.

Therefore your reference to that individual was pointless.

Better?

He opposed it on conservative, American principles that historically the Republican Party has stood for. FDR stole private property, oppressed, terrorized, and deprived innocent people - the majority US CITIZENS of their freedom and in several cases their lives. This is just what the democrat party has historically stood for. Are you getting this yet?

I'm getting that you are implicitly admitting that the Republican Party of today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the Republican Party of the past.

Then you're not getting it at all, but of course you don't want to because you are both mindlessly partisan and - it seems - inherently dishonest.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All this work by conservatives trying to bring FDR down a peg or two, but for all their work, FDR retained his number one position. Since conservatives seem unable to lower FDR's position from first, perhaps conservatives should have worked on raising Bush's rating from fifth worst American president all the way up to sixth worst? Could it be done?

Conservative propagandists, when attacking liberals, love to frame arguments in a manner that sets the minimum standard as 'perfect'

Keeping innocent people - AMERICAN CITIZENS in concentration camps with barbed wire and armed guard towers, violating their persons and property, is a hell of a lot more than just "not perfect," you dissembler.

Other than many modern day conservatives, exemplified by the ones I cited, where is the modern day defense of the internment?

Where are the liberals who today defend Roosevelt and the vast majority of Americans at the time who supported the program?

Can you cite ANY?

 

[NYcarbineer]

He opposed it on conservative, American principles that historically the Republican Party has stood for. FDR stole private property, oppressed, terrorized, and deprived innocent people - the majority US CITIZENS of their freedom and in several cases their lives. This is just what the democrat party has historically stood for. Are you getting this yet?

I'm getting that you are implicitly admitting that the Republican Party of today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the Republican Party of the past.

Then you're not getting it at all, but of course you don't want to because you are both mindlessly partisan and - it seems - inherently dishonest.

What in this current century is the situation most comparable to the treatment of Japanese-Americans/immigrants in 1942?

Think for a minute before you answer.

 

[Unkotare]

Conservative propagandists, when attacking liberals, love to frame arguments in a manner that sets the minimum standard as 'perfect'

Keeping innocent people - AMERICAN CITIZENS in concentration camps with barbed wire and armed guard towers, violating their persons and property, is a hell of a lot more than just "not perfect," you dissembler.

Other than many modern day conservatives, exemplified by the ones I cited, where is the modern day defense of the internment?

Where are the liberals who today defend Roosevelt and the vast majority of Americans at the time who supported the program?

Can you cite ANY?

What the hell are you talking about? Any time anyone says anything critical of their great god FDR, the liberals on this board have kittens.


And did you think that throwing in that bit about "the vast majority of Americans at the time" would have some exculpatory effect? It doesn't work, and you don't want to go there.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm getting that you are implicitly admitting that the Republican Party of today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the Republican Party of the past.

Then you're not getting it at all, but of course you don't want to because you are both mindlessly partisan and - it seems - inherently dishonest.

What in this current century is the situation most comparable to the treatment of Japanese-Americans/immigrants in 1942?

Think for a minute before you answer.

Inner city housing projects.

 

[Moonglow]

All this work by conservatives trying to bring FDR down a peg or two, but for all their work, FDR retained his number one position. Since conservatives seem unable to lower FDR's position from first, perhaps conservatives should have worked on raising Bush's rating from fifth worst American president all the way up to sixth worst? Could it be done?

Conservative propagandists, when attacking liberals, love to frame arguments in a manner that sets the minimum standard as 'perfect'

Keeping innocent people - AMERICAN CITIZENS in concentration camps with barbed wire and armed guard towers, violating their persons and property, is a hell of a lot more than just "not perfect," you dissembler.

Well you can't just blame FDR, all US citizens of European decent did not like the Asians, in fact republicans blocked their ability to immigrate to the US at all in the 1880's.

 

[Moonglow]

Then you're not getting it at all, but of course you don't want to because you are both mindlessly partisan and - it seems - inherently dishonest.

What in this current century is the situation most comparable to the treatment of Japanese-Americans/immigrants in 1942?

Think for a minute before you answer.

Inner city housing projects.

Where is the guard tower with machine guns?

 

[kaz]

Where FDR Went Wrong

Where FDR's parents went wrong was not strangling him in his crib. He and Woodrow Wilson were the worst Presidents in American history in terms of their lasting legacy of destruction to the liberty of future generations.

 

[francoHFW]

Beckbots! lol