Where FDR Went Wrong

[NYcarbineer]

4. To understand what happened, recognize that a distinguishing characteristic of Liberals and Leftists is an aversion to acknowledging evil and its permutations, i.e., communism. Leftist believe that people are essentially good, and the result is the proclivity to appease evil and ignore the sad facts of life.
It is a form of child-like wishful thinking.
It infected all of FDR's policies.

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How did that infect FDR's Japanese internment policy?

lol, can't wait for this answer.

 

[NYcarbineer]

We could have no more defeated the Soviet Union in 1945 than the Nazis could have.

And to what end?

 

[Redfish]

We could have no more defeated the Soviet Union in 1945 than the Nazis could have.

And to what end?

Atomic bomb on Moscow----------war over. So, we could have easily done it.

But your "to what end" question is valid. to what end did we lose 58,000 americans in viet nam?

 

[Moonglow]

Sorry, but the American populace was tired of war and would not have supported starting a war with a former Allie.

 

[Redfish]

Sorry, but the American populace was tired of war and would not have supported starting a war with a former Allie.

what's an "allie" ?

 

[Moonglow]

left off the s allies , on the same side while fighting a world war.

 

[Redfish]

left off the s allies , on the same side while fighting a world war.

I knew what you meant, just giving you a hard time.

The question was whether we could have kicked russia's ass, not whether it would have been the right thing to do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

We could have no more defeated the Soviet Union in 1945 than the Nazis could have.

And to what end?

Atomic bomb on Moscow----------war over. So, we could have easily done it.

But your "to what end" question is valid. to what end did we lose 58,000 americans in viet nam?

I can't wait to hear your rationale for nuking the Soviet Union in 1945.

As your question, let me use Bobby Kennedy's answer,

we were in Vietnam to keep a threat that was 11,000 miles away from being 10,000 miles away.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP is blaming FDR for the Maoist revolution in China?

lol, it never ends.

 

[Moonglow]

left off the s allies , on the same side while fighting a world war.

I knew what you meant, just giving you a hard time.

The question was whether we could have kicked russia's ass, not whether it would have been the right thing to do.

Not with the tanks we had.

 

[Moonglow]

The OP is blaming FDR for the Maoist revolution in China?

lol, it never ends.

I believe the Nationals were weak.The Communist army was winning where the Nationalist army was loosing, against Japan.

 

[jasonnfree]

But that 'blonde' has a different name, but the ideology of FDR remains, if not more ferocious as we stand on the precipice of becoming what the old guard Soviet once was.

Was it intentional? Was it naivete? Ignorance? All the above?

He had to have known what was happening in the USSR. Duranty at the New York Times was complicit in covering up the murder of millions of my ancestors in the Ukraine by starvation.

All the top dogs knew what was going on. Including the President. I have a very special reason to hate FDR.

Indeed, the storied history of that revolution is widely known to those that paid attention in History class (is it even being taught any longer)?

What I find fascinating was back in 2009, Putin called Obama 'Stupid' for following the Socialist line...But then, I don't think Obama cares...After all?

Wasn't Obama called by certain Lefties the 'NEW FDR"?

Thanks.

Not much evidence yet of obama being a lefty, much less a socialist. Obama is a centrist at best. Has he appointed any lefties or socialists to important positions? I keep hoping but all I see are corporate ceo's, republicans, bankers and wall streeters giving him advice.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Also, by December 1941, when FDR was goaded the Japanese into attacking, the German Army had marched to within spitting distance of the Kremlin. The Soviet spies in the FDR white House must have been overjoyed with Pearl Harbor

Without a doubt they were thrilled!

FDR couldn't get the NAZI lovers like Lindbergh or Commie haters to bite on a war in Europe even after Poland and France ceased to exist. (There is a logic failing here with calling Hitler a socialist BTW, but that is another debate like the economic one you were starting).

But yeah, I agree. FDR had our navy in the right place for war. Our commanders failed to learn from Taranto that this was not to be Jutland we were fighting. Maybe some of that racism you cited I suppose.

Also I would like to thank you for pointing out the time frame. December 1941, Germans pushed back from the suburbs of Moscow, America gets pulled into the war. Stupid Germans declaring war lol.

Did the Russian plan the start of their counteroffensive around the US Declaration on war?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The OP is blaming FDR for the Maoist revolution in China?

lol, it never ends.

No, we blame FDR for the Maoist victory. FDR abandoned Shek because History's greatest mass murderer Mao was "Progressive" and "Democratic"

 

[Redfish]

He had to have known what was happening in the USSR. Duranty at the New York Times was complicit in covering up the murder of millions of my ancestors in the Ukraine by starvation.

All the top dogs knew what was going on. Including the President. I have a very special reason to hate FDR.

Indeed, the storied history of that revolution is widely known to those that paid attention in History class (is it even being taught any longer)?

What I find fascinating was back in 2009, Putin called Obama 'Stupid' for following the Socialist line...But then, I don't think Obama cares...After all?

Wasn't Obama called by certain Lefties the 'NEW FDR"?

Thanks.

Not much evidence yet of obama being a lefty, much less a socialist. Obama is a centrist at best. Has he appointed any lefties or socialists to important positions? I keep hoping but all I see are corporate ceo's, republicans, bankers and wall streeters giving him advice.

what planet are you posting from?

 

[Redfish]

left off the s allies , on the same side while fighting a world war.

I knew what you meant, just giving you a hard time.

The question was whether we could have kicked russia's ass, not whether it would have been the right thing to do.

Not with the tanks we had.

we didn't need tanks to defeat Japan.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It may come as a shock to you, but for most American voters now, President Roosevelt is just as far removed from them as President Lincoln. And your rants about him make just as much sense as a rant concerning the Whigs. Most wonder why you are refighting a political fight that your philosophy lost 80 years ago.

So you have no answer and are unwilling to learn, review or think; we're to accept FDR's imaginary "Greatness' because you and others say so and not respond to any of the criticism

This sounds a lot like the AGW Cult where you can never show us how it works we're just supposed to take it as an article of faith because you have "Consensus"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

left off the s allies , on the same side while fighting a world war.

I knew what you meant, just giving you a hard time.

The question was whether we could have kicked russia's ass, not whether it would have been the right thing to do.

Not with the tanks we had.

Our tanks were vastly inferior but we had lots of these

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP is blaming FDR for the Maoist revolution in China?

lol, it never ends.

No, we blame FDR for the Maoist victory. FDR abandoned Shek because History's greatest mass murderer Mao was "Progressive" and "Democratic"

FDR died during WWII in case you missed the headline.

 

[Freemason9]

One of your best threads ever PC ......

This is one of the stupidest fucking threads I've seen from PC. I don't think even she believes this tripe.