Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because you being able to get guns means others can get guns.

I'm a law abiding citizen, why shouldn't I be able to exercise my right to keep and bear arms?

Others get guns and they do use them.

Yes they do. What does that have to do with my guns?

Some people drive drunk.
Does that mean I should not be allowed to own a vehicle?
Does that mean I should not be allowed to purchase and consume alcohol?

Some people drink drive, so nothing should be done about it because YOU don't drink drive?

Drunken driving is illegal.
Why should the illegal behavior of others infringe on my rights to drive sober?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal? I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal?

Why should illegal behavior be illegal?

I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

That sounds almost as stupid as your OP.

I never murdered anyone. I still think murder should be illegal.
I never drove drunk. I still think drunk driving should be illegal.

Now that I made my position clear enough for even you to understand (LOL!)
why should my law abiding gun ownership be made illegal because of the actions of others?

Maybe you should sober up before you try to respond?

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Some people drink drive, so nothing should be done about it because YOU don't drink drive?

Drunken driving is illegal.
Why should the illegal behavior of others infringe on my rights to drive sober?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal? I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal?

Why should illegal behavior be illegal?

I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

That sounds almost as stupid as your OP.

I never murdered anyone. I still think murder should be illegal.
I never drove drunk. I still think drunk driving should be illegal.

Now that I made my position clear enough for even you to understand (LOL!)
why should my law abiding gun ownership be made illegal because of the actions of others?

Maybe you should sober up before you try to respond?

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Drunken driving is illegal.
Why should the illegal behavior of others infringe on my rights to drive sober?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal? I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal?

Why should illegal behavior be illegal?

I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

That sounds almost as stupid as your OP.

I never murdered anyone. I still think murder should be illegal.
I never drove drunk. I still think drunk driving should be illegal.

Now that I made my position clear enough for even you to understand (LOL!)
why should my law abiding gun ownership be made illegal because of the actions of others?

Maybe you should sober up before you try to respond?

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

So people will do illegal things, even though they're illegal?

I guess your plan to make guns illegal won't work.

 

[Marion Morrison]

My guns. Ta Ta.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal? I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal?

Why should illegal behavior be illegal?

I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

That sounds almost as stupid as your OP.

I never murdered anyone. I still think murder should be illegal.
I never drove drunk. I still think drunk driving should be illegal.

Now that I made my position clear enough for even you to understand (LOL!)
why should my law abiding gun ownership be made illegal because of the actions of others?

Maybe you should sober up before you try to respond?

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

So people will do illegal things, even though they're illegal?

I guess your plan to make guns illegal won't work.

Which is, again, ridiculous.

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

In fact when it comes to guns, when they're in SHORT SUPPLY, when they're a valuable item, people use them less. In the US getting a new gun just isn't that difficult.

But you don't want to know the truth, do you? Every time someone says something you have a little sound bite from the Kochhead brothers that tells you what to say.

So, what do you say now? What does the book say you have to say?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal?

Why should illegal behavior be illegal?

I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

That sounds almost as stupid as your OP.

I never murdered anyone. I still think murder should be illegal.
I never drove drunk. I still think drunk driving should be illegal.

Now that I made my position clear enough for even you to understand (LOL!)
why should my law abiding gun ownership be made illegal because of the actions of others?

Maybe you should sober up before you try to respond?

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

So people will do illegal things, even though they're illegal?

I guess your plan to make guns illegal won't work.

Which is, again, ridiculous.

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

In fact when it comes to guns, when they're in SHORT SUPPLY, when they're a valuable item, people use them less. In the US getting a new gun just isn't that difficult.

But you don't want to know the truth, do you? Every time someone says something you have a little sound bite from the Kochhead brothers that tells you what to say.

So, what do you say now? What does the book say you have to say?

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

Americans don't all do things that are illegal.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yeah, and Iraq had a lot of armed people too, how long did they last? They even had tanks and SAMs and stuff.

Dude. We NEVER got full control of Iraq. How many years?

And, Iraq is almost exacrtly 1/10 the population of the U.S.



I love how the gun-grabbers underestimate or downplay how effective an insurgency with armed, trained civilians can be, and in the same breath, advocate how guns are too dangerous by demonstrating how one motivated guy with a gun can cause so much havoc.

Talking out of both sides of your asses?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yes, why should the behavior of others mean that drink driving is illegal?

Why should illegal behavior be illegal?

I never drank and drove, so why should it be illegal?

That sounds almost as stupid as your OP.

I never murdered anyone. I still think murder should be illegal.
I never drove drunk. I still think drunk driving should be illegal.

Now that I made my position clear enough for even you to understand (LOL!)
why should my law abiding gun ownership be made illegal because of the actions of others?

Maybe you should sober up before you try to respond?

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

So people will do illegal things, even though they're illegal?

I guess your plan to make guns illegal won't work.

Which is, again, ridiculous.

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

In fact when it comes to guns, when they're in SHORT SUPPLY, when they're a valuable item, people use them less. In the US getting a new gun just isn't that difficult.

But you don't want to know the truth, do you? Every time someone says something you have a little sound bite from the Kochhead brothers that tells you what to say.

So, what do you say now? What does the book say you have to say?

What you don't understand is that none of that bullshit matters. UK does not have entire cities full of lawlwss thugs murdering each other in gang-war shootouts. It is a false comparison, but even if we accept all the alleged evidence suggesting that the mere presence of a gun causes normal, stable, rational people to turn into homicidal maniacs...

Fuck you. Gun ownership is a right. I don't give a rat fuck how many people die. We still have the right to them, so give it up. We are not surrendering our power. Go live in UK if you like their gun laws. Leave us alone.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

So people will do illegal things, even though they're illegal?

I guess your plan to make guns illegal won't work.

Which is, again, ridiculous.

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

In fact when it comes to guns, when they're in SHORT SUPPLY, when they're a valuable item, people use them less. In the US getting a new gun just isn't that difficult.

But you don't want to know the truth, do you? Every time someone says something you have a little sound bite from the Kochhead brothers that tells you what to say.

So, what do you say now? What does the book say you have to say?

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

Americans don't all do things that are illegal.

Well done, and what?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeah, and Iraq had a lot of armed people too, how long did they last? They even had tanks and SAMs and stuff.

Dude. We NEVER got full control of Iraq. How many years?

And, Iraq is almost exacrtly 1/10 the population of the U.S.



I love how the gun-grabbers underestimate or downplay how effective an insurgency with armed, trained civilians can be, and in the same breath, advocate how guns are too dangerous by demonstrating how one motivated guy with a gun can cause so much havoc.

Talking out of both sides of your asses?

Never gained full control of Iraq, but Iraq never gained control of it either, which is the point here, right?

You think you can tell the US govt what to do.....

The reality is that it doesn't even matter. The rich control the masses effectively and easily, they don't need a war, you people aren't going to rise up anyway. Too much apathy, too comfortable in life. No desire.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

Oh, back to the insults.

I'll tell you what, make another insult and you're on the ignore list.

I prefer to discuss with adults, not children.

Well, in some places owning a gun is "illegal behavior"

In Chicago, they were illegal for several decades.
Didn't stop Chicago from topping the murder stats for years.

No, the problem here is that you're making something illegal but you don't have borders.

So people will do illegal things, even though they're illegal?

I guess your plan to make guns illegal won't work.

Which is, again, ridiculous.

In the UK gun laws are stricter, this doesn't mean people will all do things that are illegal.

In fact when it comes to guns, when they're in SHORT SUPPLY, when they're a valuable item, people use them less. In the US getting a new gun just isn't that difficult.

But you don't want to know the truth, do you? Every time someone says something you have a little sound bite from the Kochhead brothers that tells you what to say.

So, what do you say now? What does the book say you have to say?

What you don't understand is that none of that bullshit matters. UK does not have entire cities full of lawlwss thugs murdering each other in gang-war shootouts. It is a false comparison, but even if we accept all the alleged evidence suggesting that the mere presence of a gun causes normal, stable, rational people to turn into homicidal maniacs...

Fuck you. Gun ownership is a right. I don't give a rat fuck how many people die. We still have the right to them, so give it up. We are not surrendering our power. Go live in UK if you like their gun laws. Leave us alone.

Yeah, let's get down to the simples, you people love your guns and couldn't give "a rat fuck" how many people die, unless it's a Muslim doing the killing, right?

Also, the UK doesn't have ghettos and all those problems, why? Maybe it's because the UK deals with its problems, the US just tries to exacerbate them.

 

[Reasonable]

Oh gee another far left religious narrative being run!

See the far left wants to repeal the 2nd amendment and take away your guns..

If the far left had their way the man that came out to defend the church would not been able to do so and the massacre would have been much worse!

So a man wielding his second amendment rights saves the community and the far left still wants to take away all guns with open borders!

Can’t answer the thread question I see. Only push ridiculous talking points.
You said Obama would take away your guns. Did he? Are you without guns?
Simpleton.

 

[Reasonable]

Liberals want no freedom for us, except abortion, that's the only freedom they care about.

Could be the dumbest comment of the year on this forum.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yeah, let's get down to the simples, you people love your guns and couldn't give "a rat fuck" how many people die, unless it's a Muslim doing the killing, right?

Well, you have shifted to a different topic. Muzzie terrorists should not even be here. Don't confuse the issues. But, the motives of mass murderers is irrelevant in terms of your communist lust to confiscate our power to resist your Bolshevik aspirations.

Also, the UK doesn't have ghettos and all those problems, why? Maybe it's because the UK deals with its problems, the US just tries to exacerbate them.

Again, this is off topic, but I will entertain this comment for a moment.

No first-world country on earth has to deal with the problems we have in the U.S. We have a racial subculture that literally glorifies and gleefully embraces gun violence, murder, and criminal activity. The attitudes expressed by this subculture are literally the only real example of the objectification of women. (You know, bitches ain't nu'en but hoes and tricks.) It glorifies and encourages fathers to shun their responsibilities to their children, and celebrates leaving the mother for new pussy. It even glorifies violence toward women.

This subculture prevails because its members ridicule anyone who turns their back on this life style or who tries to better their life by getting an education. Anyone in this racial subculture who rejects it is labled as being a sellout, a school boy, a bitch-ass, or a "sucka" . The difference between the U.S. and U.K. has nothing to do with our gun laws and everything to do with this subculture.

THAT is difference between the U.S. and U.K. Don't start taking bows for the socialist cause. It has done nothing to help.

 

[Dale Smith]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

The last movie I watched where only "da gubermint" had guns was Schindler's List.....didn't work out all that well for the Jews and those that were not part of the Nazi regime as I recall. Death by government has led to the utter slaughter of over 200,000,000 people either by torture, death squads or starvation by communist dictators that had disarmed the citizenry.

I tell ya what, Frigidweirdo...should the mandate come down that all American citizens should have to turn in their guns and those that refuse will have a SWAT team come in and do it for them? Put your ass out there in front.......lead the way, dipshit.

You don't give a flying fuck about human lives because the leftist agenda believes that there are too many that leave too big of a "carbon footprint"........leftists like you fear an armed populace because it stands in the way of the communist agenda.

Molon Labe, motherfucker.......come and take it if you have the balls.........you nad-less wonder.

 

[ranfunck]

My guns

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeah, let's get down to the simples, you people love your guns and couldn't give "a rat fuck" how many people die, unless it's a Muslim doing the killing, right?

Well, you have shifted to a different topic. Muzzie terrorists should not even be here. Don't confuse the issues. But, the motives of mass murderers is irrelevant in terms of your communist lust to confiscate our power to resist your Bolshevik aspirations.

Also, the UK doesn't have ghettos and all those problems, why? Maybe it's because the UK deals with its problems, the US just tries to exacerbate them.

Again, this is off topic, but I will entertain this comment for a moment.

No first-world country on earth has to deal with the problems we have in the U.S. We have a racial subculture that literally glorifies and gleefully embraces gun violence, murder, and criminal activity. The attitudes expressed by this subculture are literally the only real example of the objectification of women. (You know, bitches ain't nu'en but hoes and tricks.) It glorifies and encourages fathers to shun their responsibilities to their children, and celebrates leaving the mother for new pussy. It even glorifies violence toward women.

This subculture prevails because its members ridicule anyone who turns their back on this life style or who tries to better their life by getting an education. Anyone in this racial subculture who rejects it is labled as being a sellout, a school boy, a bitch-ass, or a "sucka" . The difference between the U.S. and U.K. has nothing to do with our gun laws and everything to do with this subculture.

THAT is difference between the U.S. and U.K. Don't start taking bows for the socialist cause. It has done nothing to help.

I'm confusing the issues. The point is that when a white guy kills people with guns it's "You can't take away our rights" and when a Muslim kills someone it's "please, take away our rights".

What you're doing is compartmentalization. It's a often used tactic of people who really don't think about things deeply, people who know what they want and will find excuses for that to exist.

The point here is one of consistency. If you're no consistent I know you're just making up excuses that fit your argument. You don't like it, well, that's your problem not mine.

If you come at me with "our rights are our rights and they cannot be touched" then I expect you to use this argument for EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT going. Do you not think that's a fair thing to ask? If you are "Our rights are our rights and cannot be touched" with this argument and then you change for the next argument, then what?


Actually talking about the UK is very relevant. It's the closest country to the US, it's a country without many guns, and without the massive problems of the US has.

Another tactic here. One where people say "you have to prove something works before we'll introduce it" then you talk about another country and then it becomes "that doesn't prove it'll work here, you have to prove it works here in this country before we'll introduce it here in this country" circular nonsense.

Yes, no first world country has to deal with the problems the US has to deal with. Why?

"We have a racial subculture that literally glorifies and gleefully embraces gun violence, murder, and criminal activity."

Okay, it's true. Why? How have they been able to glorify a GUN CULTURE in the US and why do you think they haven't glorified a gun culture in the UK? Think about that one.

The criminal culture, the ghetto culture, why did it get to that?

My view is that the US has simply been a place telling people "everyone can make it in the US" while at the same time STOPPING people from progressing. Making education weak, refusing to deal with social issues, making sure bigger business gets all the benefits. Everything in US politics is about the rich screwing over others and the rich telling people the poor people that they want to have the rich people issues.

The whole subculture thing you're talking about exists because the US does NOT deal with its issues. The UK does.

In the UK there was a big rise in gun murders. I think it had a lot to do with the Yardies from Jamaica bringing guns in. These people didn't need visas to get into the UK and brought a lot of their problems. The UK govt dealt with the problem from lots of angles, dealing with gun violence directly, dealing with education especially with black boys, dealing with social issues especially in places like London and the problem went down.

In the US it just gets worse and worse every generation with too many people saying it's up to the individual, but the individuals are being born into despair and can't get out unless they get lucky. The rich don't want them to get out.

There is a difference, the difference is that in the US the people don't want to deal with the problems. Simples.

 

[frigidweirdo]

My guns

But then when it gets onto abortion issue you'll start saying how important life is.

 

[Avatar4321]

The only reason to have guns is to protect human life, whether by stopping evil doers who attack you or by hunting food to preserve life

 

[Avatar4321]

Yeah, let's get down to the simples, you people love your guns and couldn't give "a rat fuck" how many people die, unless it's a Muslim doing the killing, right?

Well, you have shifted to a different topic. Muzzie terrorists should not even be here. Don't confuse the issues. But, the motives of mass murderers is irrelevant in terms of your communist lust to confiscate our power to resist your Bolshevik aspirations.

Also, the UK doesn't have ghettos and all those problems, why? Maybe it's because the UK deals with its problems, the US just tries to exacerbate them.

Again, this is off topic, but I will entertain this comment for a moment.

No first-world country on earth has to deal with the problems we have in the U.S. We have a racial subculture that literally glorifies and gleefully embraces gun violence, murder, and criminal activity. The attitudes expressed by this subculture are literally the only real example of the objectification of women. (You know, bitches ain't nu'en but hoes and tricks.) It glorifies and encourages fathers to shun their responsibilities to their children, and celebrates leaving the mother for new pussy. It even glorifies violence toward women.

This subculture prevails because its members ridicule anyone who turns their back on this life style or who tries to better their life by getting an education. Anyone in this racial subculture who rejects it is labled as being a sellout, a school boy, a bitch-ass, or a "sucka" . The difference between the U.S. and U.K. has nothing to do with our gun laws and everything to do with this subculture.

THAT is difference between the U.S. and U.K. Don't start taking bows for the socialist cause. It has done nothing to help.

I'm confusing the issues. The point is that when a white guy kills people with guns it's "You can't take away our rights" and when a Muslim kills someone it's "please, take away our rights".

What you're doing is compartmentalization. It's a often used tactic of people who really don't think about things deeply, people who know what they want and will find excuses for that to exist.

The point here is one of consistency. If you're no consistent I know you're just making up excuses that fit your argument. You don't like it, well, that's your problem not mine.

If you come at me with "our rights are our rights and they cannot be touched" then I expect you to use this argument for EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT going. Do you not think that's a fair thing to ask? If you are "Our rights are our rights and cannot be touched" with this argument and then you change for the next argument, then what?


Actually talking about the UK is very relevant. It's the closest country to the US, it's a country without many guns, and without the massive problems of the US has.

Another tactic here. One where people say "you have to prove something works before we'll introduce it" then you talk about another country and then it becomes "that doesn't prove it'll work here, you have to prove it works here in this country before we'll introduce it here in this country" circular nonsense.

Yes, no first world country has to deal with the problems the US has to deal with. Why?

"We have a racial subculture that literally glorifies and gleefully embraces gun violence, murder, and criminal activity."

Okay, it's true. Why? How have they been able to glorify a GUN CULTURE in the US and why do you think they haven't glorified a gun culture in the UK? Think about that one.

The criminal culture, the ghetto culture, why did it get to that?

My view is that the US has simply been a place telling people "everyone can make it in the US" while at the same time STOPPING people from progressing. Making education weak, refusing to deal with social issues, making sure bigger business gets all the benefits. Everything in US politics is about the rich screwing over others and the rich telling people the poor people that they want to have the rich people issues.

The whole subculture thing you're talking about exists because the US does NOT deal with its issues. The UK does.

In the UK there was a big rise in gun murders. I think it had a lot to do with the Yardies from Jamaica bringing guns in. These people didn't need visas to get into the UK and brought a lot of their problems. The UK govt dealt with the problem from lots of angles, dealing with gun violence directly, dealing with education especially with black boys, dealing with social issues especially in places like London and the problem went down.

In the US it just gets worse and worse every generation with too many people saying it's up to the individual, but the individuals are being born into despair and can't get out unless they get lucky. The rich don't want them to get out.

There is a difference, the difference is that in the US the people don't want to deal with the problems. Simples.

Who says take away our rights when an islamist attacks?