Which Side Are You On?

Which Side Are You On?

I'm on the side of America.

Guess that puts me at odds with the Republicans and al Qaeda.
 
So you think Rummy went on teevee and spilled the beans, so Bush said "Oh, crap!! Quick, somebody know over the WTC!!"

There's a reason your life has been a failure. It's because you're tremendously stupid.
How much stupid is required to believe two planes collapsed three steel framed skyscrapers?
Not a bit. Believing they were controlled demolitions, however, takes a great deal of stupid.

And as you've already admitted, you're stupid.

Now there is a liberal for you. Rumsfeld goes on TV outs himself over the missing funds, and then has terrorists blow up the WTC, and Pentagon the next day to cover his trail. He almost got the White House too. Damn this guy was extremely good. To think that he could put an operation like that together in less then 24 hours and carry it out in absolute secrecy. This almost rises to the level of President Bush, personally blowing up the levees in New Orleans as Katrina was rolling ashore. I forgot why you libs said he did that. I wonder though how Rumsfeld knew months in advance to have the terrorists trained as pilots to carry out this plot. Oh I forgot this too. Weren't the airliners that left Logan spotted with missiles attached to hard points under the wings? I've heard accounts that the planes fired the missiles, and then flew the air craft through the holes in the twin towers that they had created. The planes were then flown to club Med were the air crews, passengers, and terrorists are living in the lap of luxury. You libs are brilliant. :clap2::lol::laugh::2up::happy-1::up:
 
History tells us that all socialist states have failed. History tells us that socialism is a lie brought by utopian nitwits who want to cared for from cradle to grave. History tells us that capitalism produces the strongest economies, and the greatest personal wealth. History tells us that socialism/ communism takes away the incentive to risk personal wealth in entrepreneurial endeavor. History tells us that entrepreneurial endeavor isn't always rewarded. More business' fail then succeed. The successful are then treated to an onslaught of socialist leaches trying to suck everything that they've earned out of them.

If America chooses the socialist path we deserve what we get. Our reward will be that we'll all live equally in abject poverty just like the people from other socialist states. Now if you socialists have any credible evidence bolstering your agenda please present it here. I've looked high and low. Everything that I've found indicates that America still has the best system. It damn sure isn't socialism. Capitalism rules. :up:

And if we ever approach a purely Socialistic society, I will fight it tooth and nail. Your last quote says it all... Capitalism rules... with an Iron Fist. That's why we can't go back to those pre-depression era robber/baron days. We need a degree of Socialism to temper the greed and ruthlessness of Capitalism.

Look, there is no way in hell I am advocating a Socialist America. However, I am of the opinion that the working and Middle Class are in trouble and need a boost. Not having to worry about Health Care would have been a great place to start. When 60% of all bankruptcies are due to Medical bills, that is a huge problem. Same with Education... I saw a statistic last night that showed Graduating Seniors are going into the workforce approximately $140k in debt and the average earnings are now down to $27k/year.... if they are lucky enough to find a job.

Health Care and Education are the two biggies as far as I'm concerned.
 
History tells us that all socialist states have failed. History tells us that socialism is a lie brought by utopian nitwits who want to cared for from cradle to grave. History tells us that capitalism produces the strongest economies, and the greatest personal wealth. History tells us that socialism/ communism takes away the incentive to risk personal wealth in entrepreneurial endeavor. History tells us that entrepreneurial endeavor isn't always rewarded. More business' fail then succeed. The successful are then treated to an onslaught of socialist leaches trying to suck everything that they've earned out of them.

If America chooses the socialist path we deserve what we get. Our reward will be that we'll all live equally in abject poverty just like the people from other socialist states. Now if you socialists have any credible evidence bolstering your agenda please present it here. I've looked high and low. Everything that I've found indicates that America still has the best system. It damn sure isn't socialism. Capitalism rules. :up:

And if we ever approach a purely Socialistic society, I will fight it tooth and nail. Your last quote says it all... Capitalism rules... with an Iron Fist. That's why we can't go back to those pre-depression era robber/baron days. We need a degree of Socialism to temper the greed and ruthlessness of Capitalism.

Look, there is no way in hell I am advocating a Socialist America. However, I am of the opinion that the working and Middle Class are in trouble and need a boost. Not having to worry about Health Care would have been a great place to start. When 60% of all bankruptcies are due to Medical bills, that is a huge problem. Same with Education... I saw a statistic last night that showed Graduating Seniors are going into the workforce approximately $140k in debt and the average earnings are now down to $27k/year.... if they are lucky enough to find a job.

Health Care and Education are the two biggies as far as I'm concerned.

A "degree' of socialism? Really?

Dude that's just still saying we need socialism and it FAILS every time it's tried.

You might as well say we need a "degree' of facism.

What's the difference, THEY FAIL EVERY TIME THEY ARE TRIED!

You know what doesn't fail? Capitalism.
 
Socialism is the b*tch slap of laissez faire Capitalism
socialism_vs_capitalism.jpg
 
Leftists don't know shit about history.

The conflict was with King George, you moron. The East India Company was just the vehicle.

Let me guess -- public education?

Actually, it was about taxation without representation. Let's see...Oh... wait.. that's what YOU guys want. You want even our poorest to pay taxes(even though they still do on the state and local level, and sales tax, and SSI... and), but you want to cut them off of all that damned Socialism that you rail against continually.

Then you want our wealthiest to pay even less than they do now and get rid of all those pesky regulations that keep them from raping us more than they already do.

You are not a "Tea Party" person... you guys are the catalyst for the next Tea Party.
 
Leftists don't know shit about history.

The conflict was with King George, you moron. The East India Company was just the vehicle.

Let me guess -- public education?
Thom Hartman

"More than two thousand corporations had been chartered between 1790 and 1860. They helped protect themselves from economic disasters by keeping tight control over the economy and the markets within which they operated. In this they echoed the Federalist ideas of Alexander Hamilton and John Adams.

"Many companies deal with competition by working hard to earn our business, just as Adam Smith—whose 1776 book The Wealth of Nations summarized many economic principles for the founders of this nation—envisioned.

"But others don’t; they feel that the best way to deal with competition is to eliminate it.

"And, as the East India Company had shown, two ways to do so were by getting the government to grant a monopoly or special tax favors or by crushing or buying out one’s competition."

Thom seems to think King George and other parasites of the time used the East India Company as a tool to enhance their fortunes.

Do you agree?

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

Make up your mind. First you said the Boston Tea Party was directed against the East India Company. Then, when I showed you how utterly incorrect that was, you change your tune.
From your link.

"In 1773, the East India Company had a lot of tea it could not sell in England and was almost ready to close down its business. To help save the company, the British Parliament passed the Tea Act of 1773. This allowed the company to sell its goods to the colonies without paying taxes. This meant the East India Company could sell their tea cheaper than the American merchants."

The Boston Tea Party - December 16, 1773

Based on the preceding paragraph can you tell us who owned the tea dumped into Boston harbor?

Can you tell us who wrote the account you are linking to?

Based on who ever wrote the account you link to, is it accurate to say the East India Company required "special tax favors" granted by their Monarch in order to compete with American colonists?

Why do "proud conservatives" continue to side with monarchs and other assorted parasites?
 
Thom Hartman

"More than two thousand corporations had been chartered between 1790 and 1860. They helped protect themselves from economic disasters by keeping tight control over the economy and the markets within which they operated. In this they echoed the Federalist ideas of Alexander Hamilton and John Adams.

"Many companies deal with competition by working hard to earn our business, just as Adam Smith—whose 1776 book The Wealth of Nations summarized many economic principles for the founders of this nation—envisioned.

"But others don’t; they feel that the best way to deal with competition is to eliminate it.

"And, as the East India Company had shown, two ways to do so were by getting the government to grant a monopoly or special tax favors or by crushing or buying out one’s competition."

Thom seems to think King George and other parasites of the time used the East India Company as a tool to enhance their fortunes.

Do you agree?

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

That right there describes our Situation right now in this country. Good job George.
 
How much stupid is required to believe two planes collapsed three steel framed skyscrapers?
Not a bit. Believing they were controlled demolitions, however, takes a great deal of stupid.

And as you've already admitted, you're stupid.

Now there is a liberal for you. Rumsfeld goes on TV outs himself over the missing funds, and then has terrorists blow up the WTC, and Pentagon the next day to cover his trail. He almost got the White House too. Damn this guy was extremely good. To think that he could put an operation like that together in less then 24 hours and carry it out in absolute secrecy. This almost rises to the level of President Bush, personally blowing up the levees in New Orleans as Katrina was rolling ashore. I forgot why you libs said he did that. I wonder though how Rumsfeld knew months in advance to have the terrorists trained as pilots to carry out this plot. Oh I forgot this too. Weren't the airliners that left Logan spotted with missiles attached to hard points under the wings? I've heard accounts that the planes fired the missiles, and then flew the air craft through the holes in the twin towers that they had created. The planes were then flown to club Med were the air crews, passengers, and terrorists are living in the lap of luxury. You libs are brilliant. :clap2::lol::laugh::2up::happy-1::up:
Two planes.
Three steel-framed skyscrapers.
19 pairs of box cutters.

Conservative Logic: Still Stupid.
 
Once again you've nailed it.

"The elite spend their lives stockpiling money and have the financial clout to bribe, divide and conquer the rest of us. The only way to overcome the power of money is with the power of courage and solidarity.

"When we regain our guts and solidarity, we can then more wisely select from - and implement - time-honored strategies and tactics that oppressed peoples have long used to defeat the elite. So, how do we regain our guts and solidarity?"

10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

Here we go again with the usual LOSER LEFT and their CLASS ENVY BS!

Who are YOU to decide who acquires their wealth honestly and who does not?

This is a TOTAL JOKE considering who you losers support in elections.

Like Barack Obama got his money honestly? Or Ted Kennedy? Or Nancy Pelosi?

But you don't talk about defunding them. You just go right on supporting them and voting for them.

No, it's the people THAT ACTUALLY SUPPLY JOBS TO THE COUNTRY you want to go after.

And why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY AND YOU DON'T AND YOU WANT IT!

And if you can't get that money personally, then at least you can get that money as a collective through the government.

It won't put a dime in your pocket, but it makes you feel better that the "undeserving" don't have it.

Then you have the temerity to talk about who earns and who doesn't the money?

Like the government has earned the money they take in taxes?

Do you libs ever talk about taking THAT money away from the government or questioning if the government earned it?

Oh HELL TO THE NO! You want the government to have MORE MORE MORE.

You guys are just so full of it.

That's why no one either of you seriously.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Do you believe Hank Paulson honestly earned his share of TARP funds?

How about the richest 5% of Americans who nearly doubled their returns on wealth due to a certain $13 trillion taxpayer-funded bail out?

Are you clear about how many jobs small business owners provide in this country?
What percentage of those productive business owners are among the richest 5%?
How many are as rich as Hank?

As far as all the Democrats you mentioned, I'm fine with throwing each and every one of them in prison for the rest of their useless lives.

Are you ready to say the same about Dick and Dubya?

If you guys (gals) don't start taking the rich seriously, the Republic you claim to care so much about will go the way of Rome's.

Do you believe TAXING THOSE PEOPLE is going to make everything right?

When are you morons going to get it that taxing those people does nothing but PASS THE BURDEN ONTO US!

They don't pay those taxes, WE DO! They simply pass those taxes on in HIGHER PRICES and LAYING OFF PEOPLE.

You are never going to get the Utopian "fair world" you dream about in your child like fantasies.

The answer to those problems is stop electing people who think "stimulus" is the answer to our economic problems.

Not your communist ideas of "taxing" everone into "prosperity."

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
A "degree' of socialism? Really?

Dude that's just still saying we need socialism and it FAILS every time it's tried.

You might as well say we need a "degree' of facism.

What's the difference, THEY FAIL EVERY TIME THEY ARE TRIED!

You know what doesn't fail? Capitalism.

Yeah... look how well it's working. A near total economic collapse that affected... oh wait... the working class! The wealthy got enough money back that they could reward their steward with multi-million dollar bonuses for their incompetence. The "regular" people... well... we won't talk about that. We'll just blame them. Let's see... unemployment still higher than it should be... while these big corporations are sitting on a couple trillion dollars and either choosing to hoard it, or invest in REAL Communist countries for their slave labor policies.

Yeah.. this modern day version of Capitalism... man, it can't be beat!

In short, you are seeing what you want to see.. or what's told to you from your favorite "fair and balanced" folks at FOX.
 
I'm on America's side. I'm against progressivism/ socialism/ communism/ liberalism. History shows that the socialist agenda has hurt every country that it has touched. For the majority of us to make an informed decision it's important for us to understand the term progressive.

"In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]" Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Progressives are not our friends. Progressives are our enemies. Progressives are in the White House, and Congress. They are doing everything that they can to bankrupt America and replace our Republic with a socialist government. Under progressivism we will all live in communal squalor. The American dream will be dead. Only select favored progressives will live opulent splendor. The rest of us will be in the group that they call the little people. Do you think that I'm just blowing smoke? Then check out their website. It is all there in their own words. Home » cpusa :up:

Progressives/ Socialists/ Communists, are my life long enemies. I will oppose your activities for as long as there is breath in my body.

Liberals are united in support of America's enemies.
"The Progressive Movement began[where?][when?] in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working conditions for women."

Thank you for standing tall for unregulated tenement housing and child labor.

What's your stand on working conditions for women?

Chattel slavery??

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It isn't likely US workers would enjoy weekends or paid vacations or overtime pay today without the sacrifices made by previous generations of progressives

Wikipedia! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Notice how the Democratic Socialists are being led first into socialism and now right into Marxism?
If we get back to a Republic form of Federal Government all of this will go away.
It is Socialism that has caused the problems we are in now.
Socialism didn't inflate and pop the housing/credit bubbles.

Our government socialized the cost of those bubbles while privatizing the bailout profits for the benefit of the richest 5% of Americans.

Capitalism is at least as corrupt as Socialism or Communism.

And in this country..the capitalists rule.


YES SOCIALISM DID!

It was the idea OF LIBERAL JIMMY CARTER AND BILL CLINTON that created the housing bubble through pushing subprime mortgages for the poor to buy houses.

Bill Clinton doubled down on Jimmy Carter's idea. It was not sustainable.

Bush tried to reign it back in before the bottom fell out but Democrats did all they could to block that effort. The result was the crash of 2008.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs]YouTube - ‪Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis‬‏[/ame]
 
Thom Hartman

"More than two thousand corporations had been chartered between 1790 and 1860. They helped protect themselves from economic disasters by keeping tight control over the economy and the markets within which they operated. In this they echoed the Federalist ideas of Alexander Hamilton and John Adams.

"Many companies deal with competition by working hard to earn our business, just as Adam Smith—whose 1776 book The Wealth of Nations summarized many economic principles for the founders of this nation—envisioned.

"But others don’t; they feel that the best way to deal with competition is to eliminate it.

"And, as the East India Company had shown, two ways to do so were by getting the government to grant a monopoly or special tax favors or by crushing or buying out one’s competition."

Thom seems to think King George and other parasites of the time used the East India Company as a tool to enhance their fortunes.

Do you agree?

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

That right there describes our Situation right now in this country. Good job George.
Thom Hartman's series on US Corporations contains a lot of useful information:

Thom Hartmann, "Unequal Protection" | Truthout

There are reasons why conservatives today instinctively support fascist structures like corporations.

Maybe it's partially explained by why political conservatives in the 18th and 19th centuries supported their Monarchs' opposition to Democracy?
 
True. But we are the same age (I believe you too were born in 1947) so a couple of points need to be made. At one time I was able to impact policy in my own county; I retired in 2005 and understand why Chomsky may have dodged the question. The swing to the right offends me, the avarice, bigotry and callousness of today's elected officials I find reprehensible.
Such is also short-sighted. I find it incredulous that supposedly educated 'leaders' are unable to critically evaluate the consequences of the policies and values of the New Right. It belies any understanding of history.

If you don't like the avarice, bigotry, and callousness of today's elected officials, stop supporting progressives.
How many "progressives" do you see in the US Congress?

How many millionaires do you see in congress?
 

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