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White House outlines gun control moves

Executive Gun Control: The 5 Most Outrageous Facts

1. The main policy would not have stopped any recent mass shootings.

The controls expand background checks to cover more private sellers, although private sellers are not the source of guns used in mass shootings and high-profile shootings–the very kinds of incidents Obama claims he wants to reduce. Every mass shooter and high profile shooter in recent memory–with the exception of those who stole their guns–bought their guns via background checks.

2. 225 years of precedent, destroyed–without any legislative due process.
The expansion of background checks is an affront to freedom in general, because it brings private sellers under the purview of the government regardless of whether those sellers sell one gun a year or 100. Americans have been selling guns privately since 1791–that’s 225 years–and now, with a swipe of his pen, Obama is saying a portion of those sales must be handled federally and conducted via background checks.

3. You can be denied a gun for purely financial reasons or if you are on Social Security.
Un-Constitutional! The attempt to bar certain Social Security beneficiaries from owning or buying guns because they are unable to manage their own finances.

4. It adds more burdens to gun dealers who are already following the law.
Contrary to mainstream media reports and the talking points of gun control groups, FFLs are already highly regulated and monitored by the ATF. Obama’s executive action adds one more hoop through which FFLs must jump.

5. Tax dollars for “smart guns” that nobody wants.
Obama’s executive action instructs the “Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security” to sponsor research into the “smart gun” technology and explore ways to further its use. This means using tax-payer money to pay for something the private sector has no interest in funding.

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AGAIN, it does nothing to instill common sense in or mandate the following or obeying of the Constitution by federal politicians and employees, which would prevent such moronic acts as:

- Giving thousands of guns to Mexican Drug cartels (then being surprised that you just helped facilitate the murders of over 500 innocent people (2 Americans) and more in the future.

- Giving weapons to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeida, and ISIS

- Mocking the American people as cowards for being afraid of 'widows and orphans'

- Choosing to highly politicize certain shootings while refusing to mention black-on-black crime that has resulted in far more deaths than 'mass shootings', refusing to mentioned Obama's complicity in the deaths of 500+ innocents after giving criminals guns, Obama arming terrorists...

- etc....


BOTTOM LINE: Obama's EO, imposing new regulations' on law-abiding citizens would not have stopped recent and will not stop anymass shootings. Law-abiding citizens already obey the law, Those who do NOT, who ignore the law, will find a way to get a gun if they want a gun. That's what criminals and terrorists do!




 
Executive Gun Control: The 5 Most Outrageous Facts

1. The main policy would not have stopped any recent mass shootings.

The controls expand background checks to cover more private sellers, although private sellers are not the source of guns used in mass shootings and high-profile shootings–the very kinds of incidents Obama claims he wants to reduce. Every mass shooter and high profile shooter in recent memory–with the exception of those who stole their guns–bought their guns via background checks.

2. 225 years of precedent, destroyed–without any legislative due process.
The expansion of background checks is an affront to freedom in general, because it brings private sellers under the purview of the government regardless of whether those sellers sell one gun a year or 100. Americans have been selling guns privately since 1791–that’s 225 years–and now, with a swipe of his pen, Obama is saying a portion of those sales must be handled federally and conducted via background checks.

3. You can be denied a gun for purely financial reasons or if you are on Social Security.
Un-Constitutional! The attempt to bar certain Social Security beneficiaries from owning or buying guns because they are unable to manage their own finances.

4. It adds more burdens to gun dealers who are already following the law.
Contrary to mainstream media reports and the talking points of gun control groups, FFLs are already highly regulated and monitored by the ATF. Obama’s executive action adds one more hoop through which FFLs must jump.

5. Tax dollars for “smart guns” that nobody wants.
Obama’s executive action instructs the “Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security” to sponsor research into the “smart gun” technology and explore ways to further its use. This means using tax-payer money to pay for something the private sector has no interest in funding.

--------
AGAIN, it does nothing to instill common sense in or mandate the following or obeying of the Constitution by federal politicians and employees, which would prevent such moronic acts as:

- Giving thousands of guns to Mexican Drug cartels (then being surprised that you just helped facilitate the murders of over 500 innocent people (2 Americans) and more in the future.

- Giving weapons to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeida, and ISIS

- Mocking the American people as cowards for being afraid of 'widows and orphans'

- Choosing to highly politicize certain shootings while refusing to mention black-on-black crime that has resulted in far more deaths than 'mass shootings', refusing to mentioned Obama's complicity in the deaths of 500+ innocents after giving criminals guns, Obama arming terrorists...

- etc....


BOTTOM LINE: Obama's EO, imposing new regulations' on law-abiding citizens would not have stopped recent and will not stop anymass shootings. Law-abiding citizens already obey the law, Those who do NOT, who ignore the law, will find a way to get a gun if they want a gun. That's what criminals and terrorists do!

Blah, blah, blah. Then explain these. Opinions and conjecture fail in light of hard data.

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Here is what is in Obama's Executive Order

• Hiring more people to run the FBI background check system, so the government can be "processing background checks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week." More people doing background checks= faster turnaround for background checks

• Requesting from Congress an additional $500 million to increase access to mental health care. Who doesn't want to keep crazies from getting guns?

• Clarifying that people selling guns over the Internet can still be required to conduct background checks on buyers if they are "engaged in the business" of selling guns, not just a hobbyist.
Clarifies who is a dealer vs who is a private seller

Other than it has Obamas name on it, why would anyone object to these measures?

Thanks for injecting truth into the argument.
LOL!!! You dont know that Tab A goes in Slot B, much less what "truth" means.
Obama's EO will actually make some things easier. Currently if you want to sell only at gun shows you cannot get an FFL. Under his EO you can.
Obama doesnt have a fucking clue what he's doing.
Explain what you think that makes "easier"
On the application for an FFL currently it asks if you intend to sell at gun shows only. If you answer Yes you cannot submit the app. Under teh EO you can.
we've established that's a change. you said it makes things easier. what does it make easier?
Getting an FFL. There are advantages as well as disadvantages to having one. Since I have one I can buy a gun anywhere in this country either in person or by phone/internet and have it sent to me.
 
Executive Gun Control: The 5 Most Outrageous Facts

1. The main policy would not have stopped any recent mass shootings.

The controls expand background checks to cover more private sellers, although private sellers are not the source of guns used in mass shootings and high-profile shootings–the very kinds of incidents Obama claims he wants to reduce. Every mass shooter and high profile shooter in recent memory–with the exception of those who stole their guns–bought their guns via background checks.

2. 225 years of precedent, destroyed–without any legislative due process.
The expansion of background checks is an affront to freedom in general, because it brings private sellers under the purview of the government regardless of whether those sellers sell one gun a year or 100. Americans have been selling guns privately since 1791–that’s 225 years–and now, with a swipe of his pen, Obama is saying a portion of those sales must be handled federally and conducted via background checks.

3. You can be denied a gun for purely financial reasons or if you are on Social Security.
Un-Constitutional! The attempt to bar certain Social Security beneficiaries from owning or buying guns because they are unable to manage their own finances.

4. It adds more burdens to gun dealers who are already following the law.
Contrary to mainstream media reports and the talking points of gun control groups, FFLs are already highly regulated and monitored by the ATF. Obama’s executive action adds one more hoop through which FFLs must jump.

5. Tax dollars for “smart guns” that nobody wants.
Obama’s executive action instructs the “Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security” to sponsor research into the “smart gun” technology and explore ways to further its use. This means using tax-payer money to pay for something the private sector has no interest in funding.

--------
AGAIN, it does nothing to instill common sense in or mandate the following or obeying of the Constitution by federal politicians and employees, which would prevent such moronic acts as:

- Giving thousands of guns to Mexican Drug cartels (then being surprised that you just helped facilitate the murders of over 500 innocent people (2 Americans) and more in the future.

- Giving weapons to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeida, and ISIS

- Mocking the American people as cowards for being afraid of 'widows and orphans'

- Choosing to highly politicize certain shootings while refusing to mention black-on-black crime that has resulted in far more deaths than 'mass shootings', refusing to mentioned Obama's complicity in the deaths of 500+ innocents after giving criminals guns, Obama arming terrorists...

- etc....


BOTTOM LINE: Obama's EO, imposing new regulations' on law-abiding citizens would not have stopped recent and will not stop anymass shootings. Law-abiding citizens already obey the law, Those who do NOT, who ignore the law, will find a way to get a gun if they want a gun. That's what criminals and terrorists do!

Blah, blah, blah. Then explain these. Opinions and conjecture fail in light of hard data.

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Children_s_Defense_Fund.jpg
The United States isnt any of those countries, No Pee Pee. Different culture. Countries with lower crime rates always had lower crime rates even when their gun laws were similar to ours.
 
The most sweeping action currently being considered, an executive order defining who's "engaged in the business" of selling guns, would immediately require some private dealers to obtain a license and begin conducting background checks.

Per the constitution, the federal government may only regulate sellers and buyers engaged in INTERstate commerce. INTRAstate sales are beyond the purview of federal power.

Really? A gun manufactured in one state, and sold in another cannot be regulated by the Feds? That's an open question.
Once the firearm is IN the State and sold from the dealer any further transaction INSIDE the State lines is NOT interstate commerce and is NOT subject to Federal control.

Well, there's a large loop hole.
 
Thanks for injecting truth into the argument.
LOL!!! You dont know that Tab A goes in Slot B, much less what "truth" means.
Obama's EO will actually make some things easier. Currently if you want to sell only at gun shows you cannot get an FFL. Under his EO you can.
Obama doesnt have a fucking clue what he's doing.
Explain what you think that makes "easier"
On the application for an FFL currently it asks if you intend to sell at gun shows only. If you answer Yes you cannot submit the app. Under teh EO you can.
we've established that's a change. you said it makes things easier. what does it make easier?
Getting an FFL. There are advantages as well as disadvantages to having one. Since I have one I can buy a gun anywhere in this country either in person or by phone/internet and have it sent to me.

Wow, if you have one that's a huge hole (twice the size of a loop hole); your behavior and temperament on this message board suggests you should never have a gun.
 
Thanks for injecting truth into the argument.
LOL!!! You dont know that Tab A goes in Slot B, much less what "truth" means.
Obama's EO will actually make some things easier. Currently if you want to sell only at gun shows you cannot get an FFL. Under his EO you can.
Obama doesnt have a fucking clue what he's doing.
Explain what you think that makes "easier"
On the application for an FFL currently it asks if you intend to sell at gun shows only. If you answer Yes you cannot submit the app. Under teh EO you can.
we've established that's a change. you said it makes things easier. what does it make easier?
Getting an FFL. There are advantages as well as disadvantages to having one. Since I have one I can buy a gun anywhere in this country either in person or by phone/internet and have it sent to me.
so you see more ffl licenses as a way of easing gun restrictions that will result in more guns in the hands of criminals?
 
easyt65 said:
BOTTOM LINE: Obama's EO, imposing new regulations' on law-abiding citizens would not have stopped recent and will not stop anymass shootings.
It's important to remember that most shootings are not mass shootings
 
The Executive has no such restriction. See the case of Marijuana and its placement as a schedule I drug.

The executive is restricted to executing the laws passed by congress, not embarking on vigilante action. Congress has no authority to enact a law regulating commerce inside a state or anything that isn't commerce, such as manufacturing.

If the executive acts in his executive capacity but isn't actually executing a law, then he is acting outside his constitutional authority.
 
LOL!!! You dont know that Tab A goes in Slot B, much less what "truth" means.
Obama's EO will actually make some things easier. Currently if you want to sell only at gun shows you cannot get an FFL. Under his EO you can.
Obama doesnt have a fucking clue what he's doing.
Explain what you think that makes "easier"
On the application for an FFL currently it asks if you intend to sell at gun shows only. If you answer Yes you cannot submit the app. Under teh EO you can.
we've established that's a change. you said it makes things easier. what does it make easier?
Getting an FFL. There are advantages as well as disadvantages to having one. Since I have one I can buy a gun anywhere in this country either in person or by phone/internet and have it sent to me.

Wow, if you have one that's a huge hole (twice the size of a loop hole); your behavior and temperament on this message board suggests you should never have a gun.
The intellectual level of your posts suggests you spent most of your career giving blowjobs to inmates.
 
The Executive has no such restriction. See the case of Marijuana and its placement as a schedule I drug.

The executive is restricted to executing the laws passed by congress, not embarking on vigilante action. Congress has no authority to enact a law regulating commerce inside a state or anything that isn't commerce, such as manufacturing.

If the executive acts in his executive capacity but isn't actually executing a law, then he is acting outside his constitutional authority.
Here's the thing about intrastate and interstate commerce: sometimes when regulating interstate commerce congress can and does regulate intrastate commerce.
 
Here's the thing about intrsgate and interstate commerce: sometimes when regulating interstate commerce congress can and does regulate intrastate commerce.

I know they do, and they do so contrary to the constitution.. They have no constitutional authority to regulate anything other than commerce AMONG the states. They have no authority to regulate commerce occurring within a state, or things that aren't commerce, such as manufacturing.
 
Here's the thing about intrsgate and interstate commerce: sometimes when regulating interstate commerce congress can and does regulate intrastate commerce.

I know they do, and they do so contrary to the constitution.. They have no constitutional authority to regulate anything other than commerce AMONG the states. They have no authority to regulate commerce occurring within a state, or things that aren't commerce, such as manufacturing.
the courts disagree with you. their opinions are the ones that count
 
the courts disagree with you. their opinions are the ones that count

I'm well aware that the federal government doesn't accept the limits on its powers imposed by the constitution. This, however, doesn't change what the constitution says.

The constitution grants congress the power to regulate commerce among the several states. If it's not commerce and it's not among the several states, it falls outside the commerce clause.
 
the courts disagree with you. their opinions are the ones that count

I'm well aware that the federal government doesn't accept the limits on its powers imposed by the constitution. This, however, doesn't change what the constitution says.

The constitution grants congress the power to regulate commerce among the several states. If it's not commerce and it's not among the several states, it falls outside the commerce clause.
sorry, i just thought we were engaged in a conversation based in reality and not your fantasies
 

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