White nationalists are a political force in the US.

[joaquinmiller]

As to what I called his "gratuitous" reference to Obama, it was just that - gratuitous. There was no reason to mention him. Trump knew his hate-mongering would lead to criticism of him after the Charlottesville, so he tried to share the wealth.

 

[SmokeALib]

Everything you just said is a lie. White nationalists are considered to be neo-nazis, and they account for less than .5% of the population.

Then why is Trump going out of his way not to call them out?

Because you're an idiot.

 

[basquebromance]

the El Paso shooter said he had these beliefs BEFORE Trump

 

[joaquinmiller]

Everything you just said is a lie. White nationalists are considered to be neo-nazis, and they account for less than .5% of the population.

Then why is Trump going out of his way not to call them out?

Because you're an idiot.

People blame Trump's actions on the weirdest things. It's pretty much a full-time job, so I guess you do run low on excuses.

 

[joaquinmiller]

the El Paso shooter said he had these beliefs BEFORE Trump

Oh, absolutely. Trump announced his "they're rapists" campaign over four years ago. The shooter is 19. It's probably coincidental he arrived at Trumpist beliefs before he was 16,

 

[whitehall]

ANTIFA is a genuine political force. OWS is political force. Socialism is a political force. Anger and hatred of the President is a political force. We don't know what the motivation was in El Paso but we know a Sanders follower opened fire on a republican baseball team two years ago and Stephen Paddock murdered about fifty people in a shooting rampage on a country music concert that was dubbed a "Trump rally" by the media.

 

[Correll]

Dude. SERIOUSLY. WHAT THE FUCK?!


You're lying about what he said, to make your point. Doesn't that raise a red flag in your mind?

Here is a transcript of Trump’s remarks in full.

Thank you very much. As you know, this was a small press conference, but a very important one. And it was scheduled to talk about the great things that we're doing with the secretary on the veterans administration. And we will talk about that very much so in a little while. But I thought I should put out a comment as to what's going on in Charlottesville. So, again, I want to thank everybody for being here, in particular I want to thank our incredible veterans. And thank you, fellas. Let me shake your hand.

They're great people. Great people. But we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

I just got off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, and we agree that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true affection-- really, I say this so strongly, true affection for each other. Our country is doing very well in so many ways. We have record -- just absolute record employment. We have unemployment the lowest it's been in almost 17 years. We have companies pouring into our country, Foxconn and car companies and so many others. They're coming back to our country. We're renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country and great for the American worker.

We have so many incredible things happening in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very sad. I want to salute the great work of the state and local police in Virginia. Incredible people. Law enforcement, incredible people. And also the National Guard. They've really been working smart and working hard. They've been doing a terrific job. Federal authorities are also providing tremendous support to the governor. He thanked me for that. And we are here to provide whatever other assistance is needed. We are ready, willing and able. Above all else, we must remember this truth: No matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our god.

We love our flag. We're proud of our country. We're proud of who we are, so we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we're doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally, we have to love each other.

Read: President Trump's remarks condemning violence "on many sides" in Charlottesville

I believe that was his first statement. Do you disagree? I notice your iteration omits "on many sides. Many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time." And then you resume at "It has no place in America."

Probably just an oversight. I'm sure you weren't trying to create a false impression while you scream, "liar, liar".

Not at all. I'm trying to correct the false claim from people like you, that he gave the neo-nazis a pass or any type of support.

I don't want to get sidetracked into a discussion on Antifa or other groups that he might have been including as violent in that statement.

I'm certainly willing to discuss that, my primary intent is to call you lying libs out on your lie about his calling neo-nazis "very fine people".


It is important that that lie be debunked.


Because that is fucking important.


If the President of the United States is a neo-nazi sympathizer, that would be something that people would need to know.


If he is NOT, then what type of piece of shit would spread the lie that he was?

Yeah, yeah. Sell that bullshit walking. You edited out half the paragraph, including Trump's gratuitous reference to Obama (in a low-brow deflection).

Then Trump walked back, before doubling down, because he's a whiny c*nt.

He specified that this problem has been a problem BEFORE Obama, so it is not Obama's fault.


Are you really attacking him for THAT?


Or me, for not including it, in a post about what Trump did NOT say about neo-nazis?



How the hell would it help to clarify what Trump did not say about neo-nazis, to know that Trump was NOT blaming neo-nazis on Obama?


I cut and pasted the important part(s) of the transcripts, ie Trump specifying that he was NOT talking about neo-nazis, when he said, "Very fine people".


That was the point I was making. I made it. You are refusing to admit it, even though I have proved it.


You are just stonewalling and trying to deflect from the fact you are stone cold busted.

You edited out the "on many sides" part. The reason I posted the entire text is so you can see he didn't mention race, racism, antisemitism, or white nationalists.

After a lot of criticism, he came back with a prepared, insincere statement. After that didn't go over well, he reverted to "both sides".

Dude, he called some of the white nationalists and anti-semites "very fine people", then calls black American football players "sons-of-bitches" for exercising their fucking rights. Even a troglodyte out to be able to see the inherent prejudice in that.

He specifically did NOT call the white nationalists, "very fine people".


Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."




If you read the entire transcript, it is obvious that one of the "Sides" he is talking about, is the neo-nazis.


He does specify neo nazis and/or white supremacists multiple times in the transcripts, as you can see in the excerpt right above.

Guess that won't fly. Here it is AGAIN.


"...you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally....."


I'm happy to discuss other issues, but not at the cost of your using them to dodge the important point here.

 

[SmokeALib]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

 

[bodecea]

White nationalists are a political force in the US. President Trump has been a dog whistler to the white nationalists. Trump appears to scared to call out white nationalists as exemplified in Charlottesville.
Trump talks to the white nationalists with his description of Hispanic illegals and asylum seekers as rapists and criminals.
There are enough white nationalists that if Trump cannot keep their support he will lose the election in 2020.

Evangelicals and the NRA are 1,000,000 or more times more powerful than "white nationalists".
Trump is a "shoo-in" in 2020, the dems don't have a viable candidate, or a viable policy to put up against him.

So you are saying the fix is in?

 

[joaquinmiller]

Here is a transcript of Trump’s remarks in full.

Thank you very much. As you know, this was a small press conference, but a very important one. And it was scheduled to talk about the great things that we're doing with the secretary on the veterans administration. And we will talk about that very much so in a little while. But I thought I should put out a comment as to what's going on in Charlottesville. So, again, I want to thank everybody for being here, in particular I want to thank our incredible veterans. And thank you, fellas. Let me shake your hand.

They're great people. Great people. But we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

I just got off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, and we agree that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true affection-- really, I say this so strongly, true affection for each other. Our country is doing very well in so many ways. We have record -- just absolute record employment. We have unemployment the lowest it's been in almost 17 years. We have companies pouring into our country, Foxconn and car companies and so many others. They're coming back to our country. We're renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country and great for the American worker.

We have so many incredible things happening in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very sad. I want to salute the great work of the state and local police in Virginia. Incredible people. Law enforcement, incredible people. And also the National Guard. They've really been working smart and working hard. They've been doing a terrific job. Federal authorities are also providing tremendous support to the governor. He thanked me for that. And we are here to provide whatever other assistance is needed. We are ready, willing and able. Above all else, we must remember this truth: No matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our god.

We love our flag. We're proud of our country. We're proud of who we are, so we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we're doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally, we have to love each other.

Read: President Trump's remarks condemning violence "on many sides" in Charlottesville

I believe that was his first statement. Do you disagree? I notice your iteration omits "on many sides. Many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time." And then you resume at "It has no place in America."

Probably just an oversight. I'm sure you weren't trying to create a false impression while you scream, "liar, liar".

Not at all. I'm trying to correct the false claim from people like you, that he gave the neo-nazis a pass or any type of support.

I don't want to get sidetracked into a discussion on Antifa or other groups that he might have been including as violent in that statement.

I'm certainly willing to discuss that, my primary intent is to call you lying libs out on your lie about his calling neo-nazis "very fine people".


It is important that that lie be debunked.


Because that is fucking important.


If the President of the United States is a neo-nazi sympathizer, that would be something that people would need to know.


If he is NOT, then what type of piece of shit would spread the lie that he was?

Yeah, yeah. Sell that bullshit walking. You edited out half the paragraph, including Trump's gratuitous reference to Obama (in a low-brow deflection).

Then Trump walked back, before doubling down, because he's a whiny c*nt.

He specified that this problem has been a problem BEFORE Obama, so it is not Obama's fault.


Are you really attacking him for THAT?


Or me, for not including it, in a post about what Trump did NOT say about neo-nazis?



How the hell would it help to clarify what Trump did not say about neo-nazis, to know that Trump was NOT blaming neo-nazis on Obama?


I cut and pasted the important part(s) of the transcripts, ie Trump specifying that he was NOT talking about neo-nazis, when he said, "Very fine people".


That was the point I was making. I made it. You are refusing to admit it, even though I have proved it.


You are just stonewalling and trying to deflect from the fact you are stone cold busted.

You edited out the "on many sides" part. The reason I posted the entire text is so you can see he didn't mention race, racism, antisemitism, or white nationalists.

After a lot of criticism, he came back with a prepared, insincere statement. After that didn't go over well, he reverted to "both sides".

Dude, he called some of the white nationalists and anti-semites "very fine people", then calls black American football players "sons-of-bitches" for exercising their fucking rights. Even a troglodyte out to be able to see the inherent prejudice in that.

He specifically did NOT call the white nationalists, "very fine people".


Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."




If you read the entire transcript, it is obvious that one of the "Sides" he is talking about, is the neo-nazis.


He does specify neo nazis and/or white supremacists multiple times in the transcripts, as you can see in the excerpt right above.

Guess that won't fly. Here it is AGAIN.


"...you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally....."


I'm happy to discuss other issues, but not at the cost of your using them to dodge the important point here.

Read it? It's right there, dummy. It was his first statement on the subject. Then came the walk-back and the double-down - you know, the parts you like, instead of his first reaction.

 

[basquebromance]

law enforce are not allowed to see what folks say on social media, according to Rep Will Hurd. that must change!

Dylan Roof was doing web searched on Trayvon Martin and went down the rabbit hole of white nationalism

 

[joaquinmiller]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

Muslim isn't a race, but thanks for sharing.

 

[ElmerMudd]

It's you burying your head in your ass.

Bullfucking shit.


I call you out on your lies.


Trump: ".... And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

"Very fine people on both sides." There's a fig leaf, stupid.

No, it was not. He was making a perfectly fine point about the people there, who did not fit into the media's narrative of the event.


ANYONE that claims that he was referring to neo nazis, when he specifically and explicitly stated that he was not,


is a vile lying piece of shit.



Do you consider the America of 1970 a white culture? As you define it?

The culture of the 1950's was definitely a white culture. Trump is trying to roll our economy and culture back to the 1950's.
But it is not 1950, it is almost 70 years later and the US and the world has changed substantially.

As defined by you, it was a "White culture".


So, any attempt to turn back the clock, whether on manufacturing jobs, or political culture, or marriage rates or crime rates, for a few examples, as part of "Making America Great Again"


would be, tying to bring back a "white culture"

AS DEFINED BY YOU.



Query: Does saying that make YOU a racist?

I would like to have the manufacturing jobs of the 1950's but it is not going to happen automation and a global economy has made that impossible. There many new high tech jobs that did not exist in the 1950's. You need to get real with the world today.
I would like the political culture of yesteryear. No one is more opposite of that than Trump.
Crime rates have been declining since the 1990's. Mass murder and hate crimes have spiked under Trump.
Trump, 5 kids, 3 marriages and multiple affairs is hardly a great leader on marriage rates.
You need to get real.

 

[ElmerMudd]

"Very fine people on both sides." There's a fig leaf, stupid.

No, it was not. He was making a perfectly fine point about the people there, who did not fit into the media's narrative of the event.


ANYONE that claims that he was referring to neo nazis, when he specifically and explicitly stated that he was not,


is a vile lying piece of shit.



Do you consider the America of 1970 a white culture? As you define it?

He was having a do-over a day or two later, because his original remarks sucked out loud.

I'm not following your 1970 question. If I feel like answering it, I will. Personally, 1970 was olive drab to me.

You want to talk about his first press conference on the rally? I'm happy to do so.


But you made it about the second press conference when you lied about what he said then.

Choose. Which one you want to attack him on, first or second?

You want to pretend Trump isn't a lying bigot, that's up to you. Given his past month or so of tweets, only an idiot or fellow-traveler could believe it.

I asked a simple question, which of his press positions do you want to attack him on.


If you were serious, and honest, you would answer and I would cut and paste his statements and prove that your vile lies are vile lies, and you are a race baiting hate monger.


Which is why you did not answer and instead just spouted off shit.


"Trump: "...you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

I AM FAMOUS AND I CAN GRAB WOMEN BY THE PUSSY

 

[ElmerMudd]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

Muslim isn't a race, but thanks for sharing.

It is absolutely amazing how stupid the majority of Trump supporters are.

 

[joaquinmiller]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

Muslim isn't a race, but thanks for sharing.

It is absolutely amazing how stupid the majority of Trump supporters are.

I try to limit my use of "unfuckingbelievable!", but it's just so damn accurate.

 

[SmokeALib]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

Muslim isn't a race, but thanks for sharing.

That was close. Hell, I thought i was a racist.

 

[SmokeALib]

No, it was not. He was making a perfectly fine point about the people there, who did not fit into the media's narrative of the event.


ANYONE that claims that he was referring to neo nazis, when he specifically and explicitly stated that he was not,


is a vile lying piece of shit.



Do you consider the America of 1970 a white culture? As you define it?

He was having a do-over a day or two later, because his original remarks sucked out loud.

I'm not following your 1970 question. If I feel like answering it, I will. Personally, 1970 was olive drab to me.

You want to talk about his first press conference on the rally? I'm happy to do so.


But you made it about the second press conference when you lied about what he said then.

Choose. Which one you want to attack him on, first or second?

You want to pretend Trump isn't a lying bigot, that's up to you. Given his past month or so of tweets, only an idiot or fellow-traveler could believe it.

I asked a simple question, which of his press positions do you want to attack him on.


If you were serious, and honest, you would answer and I would cut and paste his statements and prove that your vile lies are vile lies, and you are a race baiting hate monger.


Which is why you did not answer and instead just spouted off shit.


"Trump: "...you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

I AM FAMOUS AND I CAN GRAB WOMEN BY THE PUSSY

I doubt you've ever been close enough to a woman to do such a thing.

 

[joaquinmiller]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

Muslim isn't a race, but thanks for sharing.

That was close. Hell, I thought i was a racist.

Not to worry. You may still be gay.

 

[SmokeALib]

I don't like muslims because they despise America and Americans. Therefore, I'm a racist.
I don't like the normalization of men performing butt sex on each other. Therefore, I'm a homophobe.
And proud of it. And I don't give a shit what you pansy ass leftist socialist society sucking turds think about it either.

Muslim isn't a race, but thanks for sharing.

It is absolutely amazing how stupid the majority of Trump supporters are.

That's because you're a worthless leftist traitor. It seems you've contacted "Maddow On The Brain Disease". It happens to government worshippers that are too stupid to think and do for themselves.