Who are the Israelis?

[rylah]

Sure, Palestine.

Can it exercise sovereignty without occupying any land?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
SUBTOPIC: Occupation 'v' Sovereignty
⁜→ rylah, P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I agree with "rylah" that "P F Tinmore" jumped the tracks in this comment.



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Especially for Tinmore;

There are a number of ways that sovereignty can be acquired. Many times, occupation preceded the extension of sovereignty. The US undermined the Hawaiian Monarchy of Queen Lili’uokalani. US Marines subdued the native forces and pressured the Queen to abdicate. This key turning point led to the 50th State being accepted into the union. During the Spanish American War, the US made successful operations and took strategic control such that the occupation turned Puerto Rico into an unincorporated holding of the US in the Treaty of 1899 Treaty Puerto Rico. Guam was also included in the Treaty of 1899 and became an unincorporated holding after a period of occupation.

I think your understanding of what is "real" versus what some might consider "ideal" is twisted. Occupation is not the actual act of laying sovereignty. But the occupation (usually a military action) is often a key component to establishing sovereign control (a political action).
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Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the link.
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Conclusion
We've learned about the importance of territory for a state's existence, and how a state exercises sovereignty over its territory. We also highlighted the numerous processes through which governments acquire and lose territory. The mode of acquisition of territory in international is highly difficult and impossible. In modern international law, the only legal way to acquire the territorial sovereignty is by way of treaty. The legality or illegality of such conduct should be evaluated on the basis of applicable law. Peaceful resolution of territorial disputes results in international peace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Can it exercise sovereignty without occupying any land?

The territory of a State shall not be object of military occupation resulting from the use of force. In contravention of the provisions of the Charter. The territory of a State shall not be the object of acquisition by another State resulting from the threat or use of force.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The territory of a State shall not be object of military occupation resulting from the use of force. In contravention of the provisions of the Charter. The territory of a State shall not be the object of acquisition by another State resulting from the threat or use of force.

Palestine was never a state. No one can acquire territory from a state that never existed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was never a state. No one can acquire territory from a state that never existed.

Israeli bullshit, of course.

Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israeli bullshit, of course.

Link?

You have a link to when Palestine was a state with territory?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

You have a link to when Palestine was a state with territory?

Sure. I asked you first.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure. I asked you first.

Sure. Palestine never had any territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Evicting Pally squatters.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sure. Palestine never had any territory.

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Link?

Background: The question of Palestine

Occupied by Israel since June 1967, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and the Gaza Strip have come to constitute the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT). These territories, along with Israel, form the area of the former British Mandate over Palestine, intended under the terms of United...

unctad.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

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Background: The question of Palestine

Occupied by Israel since June 1967, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and the Gaza Strip have come to constitute the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT). These territories, along with Israel, form the area of the former British Mandate over Palestine, intended under the terms of United...

unctad.org

The never was two state solution.

Solution to what problem?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The never was two state solution.

Solution to what problem?

I agree, the only state is Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You have a link to when Palestine was a state with territory?

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

I agree, the only state is Israel.

Duck.