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Nationalism will always lead to a socialist state (nicer step-sister to communism).
FJO -
It's always good to post with a little honesty and a little dignity.
You don't have to like Obama, but making up children's stories that you don't believe yourself only makes you look like a complete twat.
Nationalism will always lead to a socialist state (nicer step-sister to communism).
Ah...actually Nationalism usually tends to RIGHT wing extremist.
Think Pinochet, think the Cristiani, think Franco - not to mention the obvious case of Hitler.
I can not think of a single example of Nationalism sliding into communism - can you?
I find Saigon over the top on this thread. He seems to be dismissing that family is the cornerstone of society. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience. There are many dysfunctional families, but that's just a guess.FJO -
It's always good to post with a little honesty and a little dignity.
You don't have to like Obama, but making up children's stories that you don't believe yourself only makes you look like a complete twat.
Saigon, I could send you a personal message, with proof that what I said about what I experienced as a child in communist Hungary is totally true, but I could never trust you to be honest enough and maintain confidentiality. After all, you are a liberal.
I make ALL my posts with not a little, but with FULL honesty and honesty. And may I add: Integrity. I make up no stories. I don't need to, and I do not make the totally dishonest assumption - like you - that when I see personal experiences revealed here, that they are lies and made up. After all I am not a liberal.
Also, I don't like Obama, but before you get your knickers in a knot, it is not because he is not white, but because he is not the kind of person an American President should be. Take that as you want.
Who Needs the Family?
I find Saigon over the top on this thread. He seems to be dismissing that family is the cornerstone of society. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience. There are many dysfunctional families, but that's just a guess.
Fuck vast controlling government.
Nationalism will always lead to a socialist state (nicer step-sister to communism).
Ah...actually Nationalism usually tends to RIGHT wing extremist.
Think Pinochet, think the Cristiani, think Franco - not to mention the obvious case of Hitler.
I can not think of a single example of Nationalism sliding into communism - can you?
I love the way the left attempt to pin these fascists on "the right wing" as if the right wing of American politics are their equal. The very idea of American Conservatism is the antipathy of those politics, which, were different faces of the same ideology from which Communism bleeds.
How do y'all get through the day without collapsing under the weight of all that fear?
I'll take my family over anything. Government is nothing.
I don't know who said what and can't be bothered to find out, but your initial reaction to the OP was pretty dismissive. I have lived in Europe most of my life and I know several like you.I find Saigon over the top on this thread. He seems to be dismissing that family is the cornerstone of society. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience. There are many dysfunctional families, but that's just a guess.
I find the idea that Obama is planning to kidnap all of America's children and indoctrinate them with liberal ideology more than a little over the top myself.
I have a great family and had an idyllic childhood myself.
but your initial reaction to the OP was pretty dismissive
It is unlikely you have spent more time than me in communist countries. I am pretty learned in Finnish history and I know that history spanned several wars with Russia. That's still no excuse for being a self-righteous wanker.Meathead -
I suggest a little research into Finnish history might be in order.....we know more than enough about the Russian Hordes.
I've also spent more time in modern communist countries than probably anyone else on this board.
Who Needs the Family?
February 20, 2013
By Daniel Greenfield
For most of human history the family was the basic social unit of the species. It was a retirement plan that you paid into by keeping your children alive long enough for them to grow up and support you. It allowed the individual to pass on his ideas to people who would care about them because they were part of their heritage. Family was a collective endeavor, small enough to reflect the individual. It was a practical and philosophical aim that made life beautiful and meaningful.
But who really needs it anymore?
Governments have come to serve as undying guardians of human society, ushering new life into the world and ushering old life out of it. New parents are as likely to turn to the government for help as they are to their extended family. When their child is old enough to look around for a career, it is the government that they expect to provide the education and the jobs. And when they grow old, the child can keep on working at his government job and paying off his student loans knowing that the government will be there to make all the difficult and expensive decisions about their care.
With all that taken care of, who needs parents or children anyway?
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The future of the West has been aborted or never conceived. It has been broken up, divorced and never married.
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Money however is replaceable. Children are not. And nowhere has the pyramid scheme of the social state schemer proven more disastrous than in the collapse of the family. The state has usurped the family, but it depends on the family to crank out industrious little taxpayers, small men and women who will work the shops and factories, toiling night and day, paying their fines and fees dutifully while raising the next generation of taxpayers. Without the family, the pyramid scheme of the state faces a demographic collapse.
In 1848, Marx and Engels published the Communist Manifesto fearsomely declaring, A spectre is haunting Europe the spectre of communism. At that time the birth rate in Germany was five children. Today it isnt even two. The spectre of Communism is no longer haunting Europe. It has come and gone. Under Socialism, it is the spectre of demographics that haunts Europe. It is the dead children, no longer killed in factories or protests, but in clinics and for conveniences sake, that float aimlessly through the streets of Munich, London and Paris. Europe is no longer haunted by its dead, but by those who were never born.
The state replaced the family. It told men and women that they no longer needed to make permanent commitments to each or to their parents and children. So long as they paid their taxes, the state would bear the burden of their commitments. And so men and women gave up on each other, parents gave up on their children and children gave up on their parents, the family fell apart and now the state that took its place is also falling apart.
When a civilization destroys its families, then it destroys itself. A society cannot destroy its own capacity for life and regeneration, and continue on blithely occupying itself with the wars on obesity, poverty, racism, cough syrup and gendered pronouns. The state may seem impressive, but it is only a scheme by which people pay officials to make life better for them. When the number of people begins to decline while the number of officials increases; then the state dies.
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Who Needs the Family?
If people had any concept of TRUE evil, they would bring up the name of Stalin and not Hitler.
This picture brought back memories of growing up in communist Hungary, where the teachers instructed us to tell if anyone at home does not like Comrade Stalin or Comrade Rakosi. I saw fathers and/or mothers disappear, leaving children as wards of state, while those of us children whose parents escaped the love of Comrades Stalin and Rakosi were taught singing hymns of their glory. Communists and their thin-blooded, weak-spined and pale imitators, the progressives/liberals know fully well that if and when they destroy the family unit, they have the children of those destroyed families as their willing slaves for a life time. If you need proof or example look at the core of all large cities in America.
When I saw duped children chanting "Obama, Obama" I made a connection. It took about 40 or so years after Stalin's death for the Soviet Union to collapse.
With internet and other modern communications, it will take less time than that for America to collapse.
How do y'all get through the day without collapsing under the weight of all that fear?
