Who Needs the Family?

[Katzndogz]

Mussolini was a facist. A socialist who really did make the trains run on time. He ended up hanged upside down in public. He was a leader of the Italian socialist party. He was known as Il Duce. The Duke. Much like our socialist "king".

 

[Dragonlady]

Mussolini was a facist. A socialist who really did make the trains run on time. He ended up hanged upside down in public. He was a leader of the Italian socialist party. He was known as Il Duce. The Duke. Much like our socialist "king".

Mussolini was not a socialist, he was a facist. You cannot be both. Socialism isn't about making trains run on time, it's about collective ownership. Mussolini adamantly opposed collective ownership. All of the facists were big on free market and private enterprise.

European leaders thought facism was a good antidote for communism and were actually happy when the facists were first elected.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Can't comment here until I see what Mr. Family Values Rush Dimbaugh has to say about it..............

 

[Saigon]

Mussolini was a facist. A socialist who really did make the trains run on time. He ended up hanged upside down in public. He was a leader of the Italian socialist party. He was known as Il Duce. The Duke. Much like our socialist "king".

And again - 'a fascist' is the opposite of a 'socialist'. A person can not be a 'fascist' AND a 'socialist'.

Honestly - do they not teach this stuff in schools?

 

[Obamanation]

Mussolini was a facist. A socialist who really did make the trains run on time. He ended up hanged upside down in public. He was a leader of the Italian socialist party. He was known as Il Duce. The Duke. Much like our socialist "king".

And again - 'a fascist' is the opposite of a 'socialist'. A person can not be a 'fascist' AND a 'socialist'.

Honestly - do they not teach this stuff in schools?

That is actually a little tricky because you CAN have a fascist leader of a socialist state --- and that is really a pretty good description of mid 20th century Italy.

 

[Saigon]

Obamanation -

No, you can not have a 'fascist' leader of a 'socialist' state - at least not if the terms are being used seriously and correctly as opposed to the usual "Bush is a fascist"-type comments.

Certainly Mussolini was a tyrant, a totalitarian and a fascist - but he was never a socialist. Dragonlady explained this very well earlier.

 

[Obamanation]

Obamanation -

No, you can not have a 'fascist' leader of a 'socialist' state - at least not if the terms are being used seriously and correctly as opposed to the usual "Bush is a fascist"-type comments.

Certainly Mussolini was a tyrant, a totalitarian and a fascist - but he was never a socialist. Dragonlady explained this very well earlier.

You are right that HE, wasn't a socialist - but Italy was a socialist state...

A person can not be both a socialist and a fascist - but you sure can have a fascist in charge of a socialized state - Germany was the same....

 

[Agit8r]

Obamanation -

No, you can not have a 'fascist' leader of a 'socialist' state - at least not if the terms are being used seriously and correctly as opposed to the usual "Bush is a fascist"-type comments.

Certainly Mussolini was a tyrant, a totalitarian and a fascist - but he was never a socialist. Dragonlady explained this very well earlier.

You are right that HE, wasn't a socialist - but Italy was a socialist state...

A person can not be both a socialist and a fascist - but you sure can have a fascist in charge of a socialized state - Germany was the same....

no.

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

[Obamanation]

Obamanation -

No, you can not have a 'fascist' leader of a 'socialist' state - at least not if the terms are being used seriously and correctly as opposed to the usual "Bush is a fascist"-type comments.

Certainly Mussolini was a tyrant, a totalitarian and a fascist - but he was never a socialist. Dragonlady explained this very well earlier.

You are right that HE, wasn't a socialist - but Italy was a socialist state...

A person can not be both a socialist and a fascist - but you sure can have a fascist in charge of a socialized state - Germany was the same....

no.

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

See that is a perfect example of the directional flow away from socialism ---- BUT, to my knowledge there has NEVER been a country that has been completely socialized or completely privatized. Always in flux, making some moves to privatization doesn't remove the fact that the state still owned MANY services and industries.

Showing a three year trend (in the case of Italy) away from socialism, doesn't make them a "non" socialist nation - If a fascist leads a country that is 90% state owned/run and begins privatizing certain industries, reducing the state to 70% state owned/run ---- IMO - they are still HEAVILY socialized...

You have aspects of gov't that can show directional flow to many "labels" but seldom does ANY country fully reach 100% of any of them. Those liberal propaganda pieces are using very small trends to justify a "re-labeling"...

Italy and Germany were HEAVILY sociialized nations with trends moving towards fascism - while being led by fascists.

 

[Dragonlady]

A person can not be both a socialist and a fascist - but you sure can have a fascist in charge of a socialized state - Germany was the same....

Neither Italy nor Germany were socialist countries. The only socialist country in the world at that time was Russia. Social programs came into being as a response to the suffering caused by the Great Depression.

 

[Obamanation]

A person can not be both a socialist and a fascist - but you sure can have a fascist in charge of a socialized state - Germany was the same....

Neither Italy nor Germany were socialist countries. The only socialist country in the world at that time was Russia.

That is bull....

just because YOU think a country has to be TOTALLY socialized to "deserve" the label doesn't make it so....

 

[Agit8r]

A person can not be both a socialist and a fascist - but you sure can have a fascist in charge of a socialized state - Germany was the same....

Neither Italy nor Germany were socialist countries. The only socialist country in the world at that time was Russia.

That is bull....

just because YOU think a country has to be TOTALLY socialized to "deserve" the label doesn't make it so....

The fact of the matter is that Fascists and Nazis privatized government-owned entities and social services. "National Socialism" was all about applying the coercion of state over society and culture, for the purpose of bringing religious zeal to their war ambitions. Sound familiar?

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life"
-- Adolf Hitler; from national proclamation (Feb. 1, 1933)

 

[Obamanation]

Neither Italy nor Germany were socialist countries. The only socialist country in the world at that time was Russia.

That is bull....

just because YOU think a country has to be TOTALLY socialized to "deserve" the label doesn't make it so....

The fact of the matter is that Fascists and Nazis privatized government-owned entities and social services. "National Socialism" was all about applying the coercion of state over society and culture, for the purpose of bringing religious zeal to their war ambitions. Sound familiar?

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life"
-- Adolf Hitler; from national proclamation (Feb. 1, 1933)

a socialized germany trending away from socialism...

Obama started the trend away from privatized medicine ---- I guess that is proof he is a socialist and we are now a socialist nation....

 

[Agit8r]

a socialized germany trending away from socialism...

It was a movement away from the republicanism of Weimar, but trending isn't the word for it

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
-- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

 

[Obamanation]

a socialized germany trending away from socialism...

It was a movement away from the republicanism of Weimar, but trending isn't the word for it

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

A "Movement away from" is a TREND!!!! That is what "trending" REALLY means....

pffffft....

 

[Obamanation]

I think your liberal education is showing...

 

[Agit8r]

a socialized germany trending away from socialism...

It was a movement away from the republicanism of Weimar, but trending isn't the word for it

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

A "Movement away from" is a TREND!!!! That is what "trending" REALLY means....

pffffft....

A trend is a movement, but not all movements are trends.

Trend - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Obamanation]

It was a movement away from the republicanism of Weimar, but trending isn't the word for it

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

A "Movement away from" is a TREND!!!! That is what "trending" REALLY means....

pffffft....

A trend is a movement, but not all movements are trends.

Trend - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

LMAO!!! really??? give it up...

Is Obama a socialist or was Italy???? One of the two you can't have both!!! I know it pains you guys to not be able to work both sides of the same argument, but I'm not gonna let you!!

Thanks for playing and have a nice day!!

 

[Dragonlady]

During the rise of Mussolini, the facists and the communists were fighting the the streets. The facists' stated goal was the installation of a corportist state.

I know the conservatives on this board you people try to label anything you hate as "liberal", and claim anyone you like (hence trying to label Kennedy as a conservative), but you can't decide a loathesome political movement like facism is left wing just because you don't like it.

There have been and continue to be a lot of violent, evil right wing governments. Countries where people have few rights, the press isn't free, and neither are the people. Fundamentalist ideologies demand strict adherence. On either side.

 

[Agit8r]

A "Movement away from" is a TREND!!!! That is what "trending" REALLY means....

pffffft....

A trend is a movement, but not all movements are trends.

Trend - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

LMAO!!! really??? give it up...

Is Obama a socialist or was Italy???? One of the two you can't have both!!! I know it pains you guys to not be able to work both sides of the same argument, but I'm not gonna let you!!

Thanks for playing and have a nice day!!

Trending away from, or tending toward is a gradual process (as with the tweaking of our still-private healthcare "system").

On the other hand--quite differently--the movement of the Nazi government against Marxism was one which struck suddenly and violently and "stamped it out"

The mention of Italy, "trending away from socialism" is even more ludicrous. Before fascism, Italy was a constitutional monarchy with an essentially market based economy, much like England had at that time.