Who Owns Your Children?

[Moonglow]

Then the Founders wanted public schools to indoctrinate the children in the US,,,sure buddy..

Excuse me dingle berry, can I call you db?

Which Founding Father suggested that children be COMPELLED to attend a government school? Which Founding Father suggested that parents be compelled to support government indoctrination?

EDUCATION dos NOT mean compelling an individual to attend school for 8 hours a day and for a total of 12 years being "taught" by individuals unknown to the parents.

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That was added later for corporate needs...

jefferson os one that wanted public schools and wanted them to be supported by public funds..

 

[Moonglow]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism, who do not know how to read and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

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What indoctrination of socialism is that?
You also against firemen and police?

 

[Moonglow]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism, who do not know how to read and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

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How are they indoctrinated into socialism?

 

[Tuatara]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism,

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If that were true, we would have almost no conservatives or repubilcans.

who do not know how to read

Yet, the universities are filled with literate socialists

and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

Really, please explain this. It's usually the left leaning people who are not complacent with the system and the righties are always screaming "leave umerika if yas don't like it"

 

[Contumacious]

Then the Founders wanted public schools to indoctrinate the children in the US,,,sure buddy..

Excuse me dingle berry, can I call you db?

Which Founding Father suggested that children be COMPELLED to attend a government school? Which Founding Father suggested that parents be compelled to support government indoctrination?

EDUCATION dos NOT mean compelling an individual to attend school for 8 hours a day and for a total of 12 years being "taught" by individuals unknown to the parents.

.

That was added later for corporate needs...

jefferson os one that wanted public schools and wanted them to be supported by public funds..

Thomas Jefferson did NOT support government education. He believed that children should be educated, as do I. But he believed in a DECENTRALIZED NON GOVERNMENT ENTITY providing the education.

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[whitehall]

The question would be better phrased "who owns your Country". Thanks to the foresight of the Founding Fathers, the people who are victimized by the education system are free to do something about it every two, four and six years if they care enough about the system and aren't completely ignorant.

 

[Contumacious]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism, who do not know how to read and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

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How are they indoctrinated into socialism?

Do you live in a foxhole?

If not can you identify are area which the gargantuan welfare/warfare state does not control?

.

 

[Contumacious]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism,

.

If that were true, we would have almost no conservatives or repubilcans.

who do not know how to read

Yet, the universities are filled with literate socialists

and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

Really, please explain this. It's usually the left leaning people who are not complacent with the system and the righties are always screaming "leave umerika if yas don't like it"

What is the difference between the republicans and the liberals?


Didn't "conservative " Roberts rule that the GOVERNMENT CAN COMPEL AMERICANS TO BUY INSURANCE?

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[Tuatara]

Then the Founders wanted public schools to indoctrinate the children in the US,,,sure buddy..

Excuse me dingle berry, can I call you db?

Which Founding Father suggested that children be COMPELLED to attend a government school? Which Founding Father suggested that parents be compelled to support government indoctrination?

EDUCATION dos NOT mean compelling an individual to attend school for 8 hours a day and for a total of 12 years being "taught" by individuals unknown to the parents.

.

That was added later for corporate needs...

jefferson os one that wanted public schools and wanted them to be supported by public funds..

Thomas Jefferson did NOT support government education. He believed that children should be educated, as do I. But he believed in a DECENTRALIZED NON GOVERNMENT ENTITY providing the education.

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Jefferson wanted his decentralization to follow this suit.

"The key to local school districts, according to Jefferson, is that they give parents direct and ultimate control over how their children are educated. To suppose that schools will he better managed by “any authority of the government, than by the parents within each ward…is a belief against all experience.” A government can no more manage schools than it can manage “our farms, our mills, and merchants’ stores.” Elementary education should be the concern of local communities under the supervision of parents; it should not be controlled by the federal or state governments."


Could you imagine the parents ever agreeing as to what not and what should be taught at the schools.

 

[Moonglow]

Then the Founders wanted public schools to indoctrinate the children in the US,,,sure buddy..

Excuse me dingle berry, can I call you db?

Which Founding Father suggested that children be COMPELLED to attend a government school? Which Founding Father suggested that parents be compelled to support government indoctrination?

EDUCATION dos NOT mean compelling an individual to attend school for 8 hours a day and for a total of 12 years being "taught" by individuals unknown to the parents.

.

That was added later for corporate needs...

jefferson os one that wanted public schools and wanted them to be supported by public funds..

Thomas Jefferson did NOT support government education. He believed that children should be educated, as do I. But he believed in a DECENTRALIZED NON GOVERNMENT ENTITY providing the education.

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Thomas Jefferson lobbied the Virginia General Assembly to implement a system of publicly-funded schools. He failed. It would be sixty years before Horace Mann traveled the state of Massachusetts on horseback advocating a system of "common schools" and decades more before most states would follow Massachusetts' lead. - See more at: Jefferson on Public Education Defying Conventional Wisdom EducationNews.org

 

[Moonglow]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism, who do not know how to read and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

.

How are they indoctrinated into socialism?

Do you live in a foxhole?

If not can you identify are area which the gargantuan welfare/warfare state does not control?

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well that was direct and to the point,,anymore fantasies?

 

[Statistikhengst]

If there were no taxes to support education where would the masses get their education from. Surely you're not advocating for generations and generations of uneducated americans.

We are paying a gazillion dollars in order to have children indoctrinated in socialism, who do not know how to read and who are completely narcotized and who do not know that we are being slowly enslaved by the massive welfare/warfare state.

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What unbelievable bullshit. Surely you cannot believe your own lies.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

 

[orogenicman]

From now on all threads from Polivinylchic will be in the Rubber Room,,

Post Haste...

I thrive on the fear that I engender in folks like you.

Run, run....as fast as your chubby little feet can carry you!!!!

People who thrive on the fear of others are called predators. Congratulations on your new moniker.

 

[kaz]

No What I said was you and the author you quoted both blamed liberals for actions made by Republicans. You switch the subject pretending not to understand that simple point.

No, what you did is find a couple of isolated cases where it was Republicans and conclude they are the entire problem blowing over the 90% plus of it that's done by Democrats. Any parent knows how overtly liberal the schools are. The liberal ones just like it. Liberalism is a collectivist ideology. I don't want schools preaching any political agenda, including libertarianism. To you, liberalism is truth and it should be pounded and everything else denounced, everywhere, including schools. Especially schools, you gotta get them on the government dependency drug when they are youngest for maximum effectiveness.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?

You know you are dealing with a person who is certifiably batshit crazy when she starts a thread accusing FDR, one of our greatest presidents ever, of deliberately lengthening WWII in 1943 so that he could essentially be Joseph Stalin's waterboy. She has essentially accused FDR of being complicit in the murder of millions. That is unbelievably stupid and plain old false.

I mean, this is the reason why we have Sanitariums all over the world - for people whose fantasy worlds have taken over their real world.

Until I read that thread, I thought that PoliticalShit could maybe even be salvageable. But after that thread, no way. She is beyond all hope.

Anyone who takes the memory of more than 50,000,000 people brutally murdered in a war that literally ripped our world apart, fighting against three of the most brutal dictatorships ever known, who has the gall to assume that someone in 1943, when Hitler was at the absolute height of his power, would have been able to topple the man in a coup - is just batshit crazy. Yes, Stalin was also a brutal dictator, but the adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should come to mind, esp. considering that the Right has used this adage far more often than the Left.

It's disturbed and truly disturbing people like PoliticalShit who make the Right look even more batshit crazy that it actually is - assuming that that is even possible.

If I were a Rightie, I would tell her to go fuck off, but since I am not and sometimes enjoy Schadenfreude, well, let her make Righties here in USMB look totally zany.

"Greatest President" What a joke that is. your stupid leftist hero worship Roosevelt extended the great depression and he could have save 100s of thousands of Jews, but the Jew hater refused

"Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?"

Wise up.

I never lie....my posts are accurate and researched.
I provide sources.....as follows:



1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI



So.....when can I expect your apology?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. This is the most disgusting post you have ever offered....if you thought it funny to conflate the United States to the Nazis.....it isn't.


2. 'Wounded Knee' is not what the America haters taught you it was.

Pop culture unfailingly paints the army as brutal killers, as in the famous South Dakota Wounded Knee ‘massacre,’ December 29, 1890. Robert Marshall Utley (born in 1929) is an author and historian who has written sixteen books on the history of the American West, including The Last Days of the Sioux Nation. Yale University Press, New Haven, CT (1963) in which he concludes that “the Indians fired at least 50 shots before the troops returned fire.”


You've become a disgusting little twerp.

You're a real pice aren't you. According to commanding Gen. Nelson A. Miles
who was actually there "half the Indian men were killed or wounded before they had a chance to get off any shots." and "While the Indian warriors and soldiers were shooting at close range, other soldiers used the Hotchkiss guns against the tipi camp full of women and children."

I've provided three or four sources that correct your misinterpretation.

Read them...and take notes.

So you have 4 sources that contradict mine but I can show 400 that support mine. Mine also came from actual eyewitnessess and people who were around at the time. Even your sources contradict each other. One says the first shot was by an Indian and another source says 50 shots were fired before the calvary opened up. Neither of us were there so who fired first is left up to the actual eyewitnesses but there is no debate that the calvary killed unarmed women and children. I don't know about you but that unsettles me.

You're letting her 'win' the argument by letting her fallaciously frame the argument. It is irrelevant who fired first. It was an intentional massacre of innocents;

if that occurred as a retaliation for shots fired by an Indian, it is no less an atrocity.

She didn't win the argument. I shut down her original premise and brought up the point of the massacre against unarmed women & children. She has moved on to other ridiculous tangents.

Of course I won: I provided the true perspective.

Your failure to overcome brainwashing is not proof that I didn't win.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?

You know you are dealing with a person who is certifiably batshit crazy when she starts a thread accusing FDR, one of our greatest presidents ever, of deliberately lengthening WWII in 1943 so that he could essentially be Joseph Stalin's waterboy. She has essentially accused FDR of being complicit in the murder of millions. That is unbelievably stupid and plain old false.

I mean, this is the reason why we have Sanitariums all over the world - for people whose fantasy worlds have taken over their real world.

Until I read that thread, I thought that PoliticalShit could maybe even be salvageable. But after that thread, no way. She is beyond all hope.

Anyone who takes the memory of more than 50,000,000 people brutally murdered in a war that literally ripped our world apart, fighting against three of the most brutal dictatorships ever known, who has the gall to assume that someone in 1943, when Hitler was at the absolute height of his power, would have been able to topple the man in a coup - is just batshit crazy. Yes, Stalin was also a brutal dictator, but the adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should come to mind, esp. considering that the Right has used this adage far more often than the Left.

It's disturbed and truly disturbing people like PoliticalShit who make the Right look even more batshit crazy that it actually is - assuming that that is even possible.

If I were a Rightie, I would tell her to go fuck off, but since I am not and sometimes enjoy Schadenfreude, well, let her make Righties here in USMB look totally zany.

"Greatest President" What a joke that is. your stupid leftist hero worship Roosevelt extended the great depression and he could have save 100s of thousands of Jews, but the Jew hater refused

"Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?"

Wise up.

I never lie....my posts are accurate and researched.
I provide sources.....as follows:



1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI



So.....when can I expect your apology?

I already proved those claims of yours nonsense a couple years ago. Why are you bringing them back up. Are you really that ineducable?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?

You know you are dealing with a person who is certifiably batshit crazy when she starts a thread accusing FDR, one of our greatest presidents ever, of deliberately lengthening WWII in 1943 so that he could essentially be Joseph Stalin's waterboy. She has essentially accused FDR of being complicit in the murder of millions. That is unbelievably stupid and plain old false.

I mean, this is the reason why we have Sanitariums all over the world - for people whose fantasy worlds have taken over their real world.

Until I read that thread, I thought that PoliticalShit could maybe even be salvageable. But after that thread, no way. She is beyond all hope.

Anyone who takes the memory of more than 50,000,000 people brutally murdered in a war that literally ripped our world apart, fighting against three of the most brutal dictatorships ever known, who has the gall to assume that someone in 1943, when Hitler was at the absolute height of his power, would have been able to topple the man in a coup - is just batshit crazy. Yes, Stalin was also a brutal dictator, but the adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should come to mind, esp. considering that the Right has used this adage far more often than the Left.

It's disturbed and truly disturbing people like PoliticalShit who make the Right look even more batshit crazy that it actually is - assuming that that is even possible.

If I were a Rightie, I would tell her to go fuck off, but since I am not and sometimes enjoy Schadenfreude, well, let her make Righties here in USMB look totally zany.

"Greatest President" What a joke that is. your stupid leftist hero worship Roosevelt extended the great depression and he could have save 100s of thousands of Jews, but the Jew hater refused

"Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?"

Wise up.

I never lie....my posts are accurate and researched.
I provide sources.....as follows:



1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI



So.....when can I expect your apology?

I already proved those claims of yours nonsense a couple years ago. Why are you bringing them back up. Are you really that ineducable?

The only thing you've ever proven is what a liar you are.

 

[ClosedCaption]

No What I said was you and the author you quoted both blamed liberals for actions made by Republicans. You switch the subject pretending not to understand that simple point.

No, what you did is find a couple of isolated cases where it was Republicans and conclude they are the entire problem blowing over the 90% plus of it that's done by Democrats.

Despite the fact that the OP listed exactly ZERO examples of it you believe its happening because the OP doesnt need proof, apparently.

Any parent knows how overtly liberal the schools are. The liberal ones just like it. Liberalism is a collectivist ideology. I don't want schools preaching any political agenda, including libertarianism. To you, liberalism is truth and it should be pounded and everything else denounced, everywhere, including schools. Especially schools, you gotta get them on the government dependency drug when they are youngest for maximum effectiveness.

And once again, I showed her OP to be wrong and you admit that I proved it wrong BUT you conclude that the OP is correct. Makes sense

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?

You know you are dealing with a person who is certifiably batshit crazy when she starts a thread accusing FDR, one of our greatest presidents ever, of deliberately lengthening WWII in 1943 so that he could essentially be Joseph Stalin's waterboy. She has essentially accused FDR of being complicit in the murder of millions. That is unbelievably stupid and plain old false.

I mean, this is the reason why we have Sanitariums all over the world - for people whose fantasy worlds have taken over their real world.

Until I read that thread, I thought that PoliticalShit could maybe even be salvageable. But after that thread, no way. She is beyond all hope.

Anyone who takes the memory of more than 50,000,000 people brutally murdered in a war that literally ripped our world apart, fighting against three of the most brutal dictatorships ever known, who has the gall to assume that someone in 1943, when Hitler was at the absolute height of his power, would have been able to topple the man in a coup - is just batshit crazy. Yes, Stalin was also a brutal dictator, but the adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should come to mind, esp. considering that the Right has used this adage far more often than the Left.

It's disturbed and truly disturbing people like PoliticalShit who make the Right look even more batshit crazy that it actually is - assuming that that is even possible.

If I were a Rightie, I would tell her to go fuck off, but since I am not and sometimes enjoy Schadenfreude, well, let her make Righties here in USMB look totally zany.

"Greatest President" What a joke that is. your stupid leftist hero worship Roosevelt extended the great depression and he could have save 100s of thousands of Jews, but the Jew hater refused

"Who gave you that lie about extending the depression?
Which history book told you that?"

Wise up.

I never lie....my posts are accurate and researched.
I provide sources.....as follows:



1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI



So.....when can I expect your apology?

I already proved those claims of yours nonsense a couple years ago. Why are you bringing them back up. Are you really that ineducable?

The only thing you've ever proven is what a liar you are.

Here's the thread and the post:

Perspective How It All Happened Page 16 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum