LordBrownTrout
Diamond Member
What in the world?!
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we could freeze and cut public sector benefits and cut elected official's salaries down to the average wage of all americans.
We could close bases in countries such as germany and japan and stop spending our resources to help defend them when they are capable of defending themselves.
We could stop giving so much foreign aid to nations until we pay back our debt.
there are more ways than one to acheive spending cuts so that we can pay back the money we have borrowed and spent already.
We are all going to have to suffer a little to deal with the problem we let our government create for the country.
More, Pilgrim, more!
If you want a real eyeful of potential cuts that would save billions,
a. The GAO says the federal government made at least $98 billion in improper payments in 2009. White House reports $98B in improper government payments - Nov. 18, 2009
b. Federal auditors rated every government program, and found that 22% of them, $123 billion in spending, were ineffective! 50 Examples of Government Waste | The Heritage Foundation
c. Did you know that the CBO reports a vast number of cuts that would save a fortune? http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/102xx/doc10294/08-06-BudgetOptions.pdf
Here are a few:
i. The CBO also considered the option of cutting the Airport Improvement Program that provides grants to airports to expand runways and improve security, saying this would reduce spending by $10.7 billion through 2019.
ii. End subsidized loans to graduate students Ten year savings $18.8 billon
iii. End Department of Energy research on fossil fuels. Ten year savings $7.9 billion.
And Federal agriculture subsidies are between $10 and $30 billion a year. This stems from the Depression, when farm families earned half of what the rest of the country earned. Today that is far from the case, and the subsidies primarily go to large operators and landowners- and celebrities. New light shed on farm subsidy payments - Politics - msnbc.com
All of these are still nibbling around the edges, until we reform entitlements, nothing substantive will happen.
When social security was created the average life expectancy in the US was 65. Not coincidentally, the retirement age was set at 65. So, if you worked your expected life, and you were still alive, well then you should take a break. Social security would still work if they had indexed the retirement age to the life expectancy. We need to get there. Start that mother moving right not and 4 months per year until it is equal to the average life expectancy in the US again and keep it there. Yep, those of us that aren't that far from 65 (20 years or so) will need to work a little longer than we thought. Well, that's hardly the biggest problem or inconvenience we've had to deal with is it?
If you don't like it you can still get your 401(k), IRA at 59 1/2 and retire when you want on your own dime.
Someone else can deal with socialized medicine (medicare and medicaid)
republicans want you to believe that all you need to do is cut taxes and fire people and get rid of programs and all will be well.
But none of them want to do without what they want, protection of all kinds, from fire to police to food safety to the arm forces.
They want the kids taught at a high level, and they want the roads cleaned of snow and ice and potholes.
They want safe parks and lighted streets.
they want you to lose your job or do it for less because they think your not worth the price.
But when it comes to paying for everything they want you, the people who work for a daily wage to pick up more of the cost so they can lower their cost.
They understand that 90% of the average persons income goes to living needs and little of anything is left to be taxed.
They think this is unfair because they make more than you do and have to pay more in taxes.
But the truth is people who make more use more, and have a built in advantage that goes to provide them with what is needed to make the govt work that allows them to be all they can and make all they can.
The truth is everything that we have is for the benefit of business to be successful. From Police, to city workers to highway workers to teachers to schools to universities to military complex. A single person gets little good out of all that we provide except a chance at taking care of himself and maybe a family.
A company makes money on every person it uses, and everything that person has to have is very important to those companies because without it they wouldn't be workers who are trained and functional.
Now really where are we to get the money needed to run this country and keep everything working if we don't get it from what is best know as income above living needs. You really want to do without what we have now, or is just that you really haven't look at the bottom line, that being that the less that people who do the daily grind have to use/spend the less they will have for incentives to keep the system going, and the less people who will have jobs which is making the wealthy more wealthy every year as they cry all the way to the bank with all their gains.
I got an idea, lets get out of war making, cut our military by 80%, pay for what we use when we use it like roads, highways, hospitals, airports, school.
Then we turn everything over to the private sector to run it, and get rid of any laws or the need for courts or govt officials as we know the corp's will do a bang up job of doing what is needed and we can trust them.
What the heck, we all know your fellow man will look out for you. and if for some reason your not worthy that's your problem to deal with, it's not ours. It's up to you to get what you have comming and if I or someone is a little better than you at it, tough break learn to live with it.
Of all the things you listed, police, fire, education, military etc, only one of them ,military, should be done by the FEDERAL government. The rest are STATE responsibility's according to the Constitution. Not that anyone pay's any attention to that anymore.
All of these are still nibbling around the edges, until we reform entitlements, nothing substantive will happen. Someone else can deal with socialized medicine (medicare and medicaid)
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation?
I got an idea, lets get out of war making, cut our military by 80%, pay for what we use when we use it like roads, highways, hospitals, airports, school.
Then we turn everything over to the private sector to run it, and get rid of any laws or the need for courts or govt officials as we know the corp's will do a bang up job of doing what is needed and we can trust them.
What the heck, we all know your fellow man will look out for you. and if for some reason your not worthy that's your problem to deal with, it's not ours. It's up to you to get what you have comming and if I or someone is a little better than you at it, tough break learn to live with it.
How many billions were lost and unaccounted for in Iraq?
Not counting Iraq and Afganistan we pay nearly 1/4 trillion for overseas military bases..
How many billions were lost and unaccounted for in Iraq?
Not counting Iraq and Afganistan we pay nearly 1/4 trillion for overseas military bases..
That ball is and has been in the democratic party's court since 2006.
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation?
Not sure who prepared you list, but it wasn't a founding father.
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,they may take the care of religion into their own hands;they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parishand pay them out of their public treasury;they may take into their own hands the education of children,establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;" James Madison
"Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education" Alexander Hamilton
BUT, that aside, just because items are constiutional, does not mean they shouldn't be eliminated along with the military, corporate and foreign aid welfare, etc. The constitution doesn't say anything has to be funded, or set an amount on how much to fund.
Get serious, get cutting the whole thing out.
Why are you living paycheck to paycheck?
I got an idea, lets get out of war making, cut our military by 80%, pay for what we use when we use it like roads, highways, hospitals, airports, school.
Then we turn everything over to the private sector to run it, and get rid of any laws or the need for courts or govt officials as we know the corp's will do a bang up job of doing what is needed and we can trust them.
What the heck, we all know your fellow man will look out for you. and if for some reason your not worthy that's your problem to deal with, it's not ours. It's up to you to get what you have comming and if I or someone is a little better than you at it, tough break learn to live with it.
In common sense land, we can cut government spending almost in half, build up the private sector, strengthen the dollar, and run the federal government on a simple low flat tax rate. We start by closing all oversees military bases in Europe and Asia, save those in Japan and South Korea, ending the War on Drugs, reforming the prison system, scaling back USAID to foreign nations, and cutting social programs by 2% every year for 10 years.
I don't see anything in this motto of citizenship that effects the right, except maybe bringing another 3,000,000 people back into the workforce to drive down wages, and then to get things going again maybe start another war.
The flat tax if properly done would be fine, where the income up to the poverty level wasn't included but you know that wouldn't happen. so the bottom line is it's just another scheem for the rich to pay less and force more cost onto those who can't afford it now.
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation?
Not sure who prepared you list, but it wasn't a founding father.
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,they may take the care of religion into their own hands;they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parishand pay them out of their public treasury;they may take into their own hands the education of children,establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;" James Madison
"Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education" Alexander Hamilton
BUT, that aside, just because items are constiutional, does not mean they shouldn't be eliminated along with the military, corporate and foreign aid welfare, etc. The constitution doesn't say anything has to be funded, or set an amount on how much to fund.
Why are you living paycheck to paycheck?
There is only ever one reason. Poor spending choices.
Why are you living paycheck to paycheck?
There is only ever one reason. Poor spending choices.
I believe I speak for the majority of Americans when I say everyone but me should pay.
I believe I speak for the majority of Americans when I say everyone but me should pay.