Why are Republicans being blamed for this shutdown?

TemplarKormac

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The House Rules Committee has been in existence since 1789. The first actual government shutdown was in 1976 during the Ford Administration. Over the past 80 years and 64 years that Democrats have controlled the Rules Committee, there have been fifteen government shutdowns. FIFTEEN. In the 16 years the Republicans have controlled it there have been two. TWO.

So, why are the Republicans being blamed? Yeah, Democrats have very short memories.


September 30 - October 11, 1976: Citing out of control spending, President Gerald Ford vetoed a funding bill for the United States Department of Labor and the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW), leading to a partial government shutdown. On October 1, the Democratic-controlled Congress overrode Ford's veto but it took until October 11 for a continuing resolution ending funding gaps for other parts of government to become law.

September 30 - October 13, 1977:
The Democratic-controlled House continued to uphold the ban on using Medicaid dollars to pay for abortions, except in cases where the life of the mother was at stake. Meanwhile, the Democratic-controlled Senate pressed to loosen the ban to allow abortion funding in the case of rape or incest. A funding gap was created when disagreement over the issue between the houses had become tied to funding for the Departments of Labor and HEW, leading to a partial government shutdown. A temporary agreement was made to restore funding through October 31, 1977, allowing more time for Congress to resolve its dispute.

October 31 - November 9 1977: The earlier temporary funding agreement expired. President Jimmy Carter signed a second funding agreement to allow for more time for negotiation.

November 30 - December 9, 1977:
The second temporary funding agreement expired. The House held firm against against the Senate in its effort to ban Medicaid paying for the abortions of victims of statutory rape. A deal was eventually struck which allowed Medicaid to pay for abortions in cases resulting from rape, incest, or in which the mother's health is at risk.

September 30 - October 18, 1978: Deeming them wasteful, President Carter vetoed a public works appropriations bill and a defense bill including funding for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Spending for the Department of HEW was also delayed over additional disputes concerning Medicaid funding for abortion.

September 30 - October 12, 1979:
Against the opposition of the Senate, the House pushed for a 5.5 percent pay increase for congress members and senior civil servants. The House also sought to restrict federal spending on abortion only to cases where the mother's life is in danger, while the Senate wanted to maintain funding for abortions in cases of rape and incest.

November 20 - November 23, 1982:
President Ronald Reagan pledged that he would veto any spending bill that failed to include at least half of the $8.4 billion in domestic budget cuts that he proposed. Although the Republican controlled Senate passed a bill that met his specifications, the Democratic House insisted on larger cuts to defense than Reagan wanted and for congressional and civil servant pay raises. A compromise bill fell $2 billion short of the cuts Reagan wanted, so Reagan vetoed the bill and shut down the federal government. A temporary bill restored spending through 15 December and gave Congress the time to work out a more lasting deal.

September 30 - October 2, 1982: Congress passed the required spending bills a day late.

December 17 - December 21, 1982: The Democratic controlled House and the Republican controlled Senate wished to fund jobs, but President Reagan vowed to veto any such legislation. The House also opposed plans to fund the MX missile. The shutdown ended after Congress abandoned their jobs plan, but Reagan was forced to yield on funding for both the MX and Pershing II missiles. He also accepted funding for the Legal Services Corporation, which he wanted abolished, in exchange for higher foreign aid to Israel.

November 10 - November 14, 1983: The Democratic controlled House increased education funding, but cut defense and foreign aid spending, which led to a dispute with President Reagan. Eventually, the House reduced their proposed education funding, and also accepted funding for the MX missile. However, the foreign aid and defense cuts remained, and oil and gas leasing was banned in federal wildlife refuges. Abortion was also prohibited for being paid for with government employee health insurance.

September 30 - October 3, 1984: The House wished to link the budget to both a crime-fighting package President Reagan supported and a water projects package he did not. The Senate additionally tied the budget to a civil rights measure designed to overturn Grove City v. Bell. Reagan proposed a compromise where he abandoned his crime package in exchange for Congress dropping theirs. A deal was not struck, and a three-day spending extension was passed instead.

October 3 - October 5, 1984: The three-day spending extension expired, forcing a shutdown. Congress dropped their proposed water and civil rights packages, while President Reagan kept his crime package. Funding for aid to the Nicaraguan Contras was also passed.

October 16 - October 18, 1986: A dispute over multiple issues between the Democratic controlled House and President Reagan and the Republican Senate forced a shutdown. The Democratic controlled House dropped many of their demands in exchange for a vote on their welfare package, and a concession of the sale of then-government-owned Conrail.

December 18 - December 20, 1987: Democrats, who now controlled both the House and the Senate, opposed funding for the Contras, and wanted the Federal Communications Commission to begin reenforcing the "Fairness Doctrine". They yielded on the "Fairness Doctrine" in exchange for non-lethal aid to the Contras.

October 5 - October 9, 1990: President George H.W. Bush vowed to veto any continuing resolution that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package that Bush signed to end the shutdown.

November 13 - November 19, 1995: In the shutdown of 1995 and 1996 President Bill Clinton vetoed a continuing resolution passed by the Republican-controlled Congress. A deal was reached allowing for 75 percent funding for four weeks, and Clinton agreed to a seven-year timetable for a balanced budget.

December 16 - January 6, 1996: Subsequently the Republicans demanded President Clinton propose a budget with the seven-year timetable using Congressional Budget Office numbers, rather than Clinton's Office of Management and Budget numbers. However, Clinton refused. Eventually, Congress and Clinton agreed to pass a compromise budget.
 
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What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours. :p

Next.

We're talking "present tense" bud. You pubs hold the house and are the ones failing the nation right now. :cool:

Next.
 
What if Obama said he would not sign the CR and the government would shut down unless it had a gun regulation amendment in it? Something the republicans could never vote for. Who would you blame for the shutdown fathead. The dems already comprimised on the budget, its 900 billion, they wanted more revenues.
 
What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours. :p

Next.

We're talking "present tense" bud. You pubs hold the house and are the ones failing the nation right now. :cool:

Next.


"I find that ...Those folks on the other side of this building [sic] telling us that if we don't play by their rules, that it's "our way or the highway" and if the government is shut down, it's on you" to be appalling to me."

Congressman Rob Woodall
 
The history of government shut downs is irrelevant.

The right has framed this debate entirely on Obamacare, betting everything on people agreeing with the party line fear of Obamacare being the single most important issue in the country.

People are blaming republicans because they've owned it already. Republicans have made it clear that destroying Obamacare is more important than the government continuing to function.
 
What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours. :p

Next.

Its not a bill jackass. You know when a bill gets passed by both houses and signed it becomes a law.
 
What if Obama said he would not sign the CR and the government would shut down unless it had a gun regulation amendment in it? Something the republicans could never vote for. Who would you blame for the shutdown fathead. The dems already comprimised on the budget, its 900 billion, they wanted more revenues.

I will not participate in your hypothetical scenario, Dutch. It is a non sequitur intended to derail the thread. Nice try but no.
 
What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours. :p

Next.

Its not a bill jackass. You know when a bill gets passed by both houses and signed it becomes a law.

It call it a bill because only democrats passed it. Only one half of Congress voted for it. Care to call me a jackass again, Dutch? To me it isn't a law because it was forced on me against my will.
 
What if Obama said he would not sign the CR and the government would shut down unless it had a gun regulation amendment in it? Something the republicans could never vote for. Who would you blame for the shutdown fathead. The dems already comprimised on the budget, its 900 billion, they wanted more revenues.

I will not participate in your hypothetical scenario, Dutch. It is a non sequitur intended to derail the thread. Nice try but no.

Because I just destroyed your entire premise.
 
What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours. :p

Next.

Okay...the next time Republicans pass a bill we don't like we'll just refuse to pass a budget until it's repealed....apparently that's how Republicans want DC to operate from now on.
 
The history of government shut downs is irrelevant.

The right has framed this debate entirely on Obamacare, betting everything on people agreeing with the party line fear of Obamacare being the single most important issue in the country.

People are blaming republicans because they've owned it already. Republicans have made it clear that destroying Obamacare is more important than the government continuing to function.

It is relevant Doc!

Where have you been the past 37 years? Is a "law" more important than funding the government? It appears this question applies to both sides, not just Republicans.
 
What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours. :p

Next.

Okay...the next time Republicans pass a bill we don't like we'll just refuse to pass a budget until it's repealed....apparently that's how Republicans want DC to operate from now on.

And suffer the same political ramifications you claim Republicans will suffer. Yeah, that 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' thing really never plays out well for America.
 
What if Obama said he would not sign the CR and the government would shut down unless it had a gun regulation amendment in it? Something the republicans could never vote for. Who would you blame for the shutdown fathead. The dems already comprimised on the budget, its 900 billion, they wanted more revenues.

I will not participate in your hypothetical scenario, Dutch. It is a non sequitur intended to derail the thread. Nice try but no.

Because I just destroyed your entire premise.

No, you want to talk about gun control. Which has ZERO to do with my premise. Care to try again?

I would pass the bill regardless of the amendment. Funding the government comes before my personal agenda.
 
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"I find that ...Those folks on the other side of this building [sic] telling us that if we don't play by their rules, that it's "our way or the highway" and if the government is shut down, it's on you" to be appalling to me."

Congressman Rob Woodall

Okay? :confused:

Hopefully he's from a district where this political stunt will help him out I guess...
 
What do you mean "why are the republicans being blamed?" They're the ones holding jobs hostage in exchange for sabotaging Obamacare

Fact is that the Democrats have shut down the government because they're fixated on Obamacare that they don't care about anything else.
 
"I find that ...Those folks on the other side of this building [sic] telling us that if we don't play by their rules, that it's "our way or the highway" and if the government is shut down, it's on you" to be appalling to me."

Congressman Rob Woodall

Okay? :confused:

Hopefully he's from a district where this political stunt will help him out I guess...

You didn't even address the point he made. He's from my state. He'll get re-elected for it. Book it.
 

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