Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

[francoHFW]

There'll be a lot more poor and we will see more slums...

I guess they're going to start arresting all these people and put them in prison camps...Conservatism is as far away from freedom as you can get.

Conservatives value freedom....Matthew.

That they don't want to do what YOU want them to only inspires you try and use government to force them. When they resist, you resort to name calling.

Let me ask you: Who died and left you God ?

Except pot or drugs choice, abortion choice, etc etc...

 

[TooTall]

To answer the question in the OP, it's because conservatives are selfish pieces of shit,.

but they give more to charity than liberals??

I'll repeat:

Conservatives tend to donate to their churches (tax deductable) which in turn, contribute a small amount of that back to actual charities. The predominant church in my area considers itself a charitable organization for the tax benefits but the actual amount of charity is about 1%.

How do you know that? Are you a member of the church or did you just grab that 1% out of your ass?

 

[frigidweirdo]

that's not how government operates


government is a hammer so everything looks like a nail

It's not how govt operates, but then people have votes with which they can change the way govt operates. Sure, it's not going to happen because the people are zombies and the rich have the buttons needed to get the zombies to do what they like.

In politics it's vote D or R, with food it's buy McDonald's, Coca Cola or whatever. People are being advertised to death and this is fair game, but actually doing something RIGHT is wrong.

/---- it's none of anyone's business what others eat. Don't like McDonalds then don't buy their food. I don't.

that is such a hard concept for these people to grasp

they think it's better to tax people into submission so they do what these control freaks think they should do

after all it's for their own good right?

Well after all they hand out massive tax rebates to large corporate companies with food that is slammed full of sugar. And that's alright. It's basically lowering the cost of their products to make them more competitive than healthy food which doesn't get such subsidies.

But you have a problem if it works the other way.

https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/untangling-what-companies-pay-in-taxes/

"Soft-drink companies are among those paying taxes well below average, partly because of their ability to locate the manufacturing plants for soda concentrate in low-tax countries, as I discuss in the column. Coca-Cola paid a combined tax rate of 15.25 percent between 2007 and 2012, while PepsiCo paid 21.31 percent."

And that doesn't even mean they paid this much, they probably paid half this or less. Making them very competitive, and overly competitive against healthy food. But that's okay, right? That's capitalism, that's great. If it's done for the wrong reason, hell yeah.

it is amazing to me how you on the left hate the corporations who give millions of jobs to citizens. just fkin amazes me.

It amazes me how you on the right hate small businesses, hate the small guy being able to take a slice of the pie. just fkin amazes me.

But then I don't hate multinationals. You might think it's a nice attack, but you're wrong. Multinationals have their place, but they need to be paying at least their fair share of taxes, if not more, but they don't, they pay far too little.

But they, we all know this is deflecting from the issue here, right?

The large companies are getting things cheaper, they're more competitive because the govt has decided this is so. You said it's WRONG to have a policy of encouraging people to eat healthy food, but NOW you seem to think it's fkin amazing that the multinationals are able to ply people with crap food at cheaper prices. just fkin amazes me.

 

[Markle]

If you are sure that Medicare is failing, presumably you also know what you would do about that.

Yes I do.

"Modernize the Medicare Program to Meet the Demographic, Fiscal, and Structural Challenges. Established in 1965, Medicare is a government health care program for seniors over the age of 65 and some disabled. Medicare is facing major challenges. It is generating trillions of dollars in long-term debt. It must cope with an enormous demographic shift as America’s aging population is growing steadily; it is funded by a workforce that is shrinking relative to the size of the rapidly growing population of retirees; and it is saddled with an outdated design, based on price controls and central planning, that contributes to its inflexibility and sluggishness. Incredibly, traditional Medicare still fails to meet the most basic test of insurance: the protection of patients from the financial devastation of catastrophic illness. Rather than reform Medicare, Obamacare imposes hundreds of millions of dollars of cuts on Medicare providers, and redirects these Medicare savings to offset Obamacare’s costly new entitlement programs. Policymakers should look to transform Medicare from its 1960s style defined-benefit structure, which is financially unsustainable, to a defined contribution (“premium support”) model of financing. Under this model, seniors would receive the value of their Medicare benefits in the form of a government contribution to purchase the private health insurance plan of their choice. It would also allow more dependable budgeting for both seniors and the government and inject the powerful free market forces of choice and competition into the program to meet the needs of today’s seniors."

Now go back to your pot.

Markle, having spent 50 years as a health insurance executive, I am constantly amazed at the level of ignorance that I encounter every day on this subject. In your case, it is so profound that I would hardly know where to begin.

But, this part of it is so simple that even you can understand it. In any health plan for seniors, the cost of prescription drugs make up between 16% to 20% of the total claims cost.

Baby Bush added RX to Medicare with absolutely no offsetting revenue.

From a personal perspective, I have always appreciated the Republican economic initiatives. Unfortunately, like Reagan's tax cuts, they make no sense of a macroeconomic scale.

Great Progressive effort to divert from the actual subject. From you, NOTHING!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, that's part of it too, and getting kids involved in sport is essential, again, part of educating kids into liking and understanding healthy food and also sport and exercise.

It's not about a one size fits all, it's about giving kids the motivation to keep themselves healthy, the knowledge so they can do it easily and perhaps a push with something like much higher taxes for bad food and no taxes for healthier food.

here we go again

more ham handed social engineering via taxes

taxes are only to be used to fund the necessary function of government not to punish people for behavior that you don't like

Food gets taxed, right? Ever wondered why milk is often cheaper than bottled water and other such weird pricing? Why shouldn't society try and make things more attractive?

I mean, the govt does this ALL THE TIME, especially in America with large corporations paying almost no tax as an "incentive" for them to locate or not relocate. The right doesn't have a problem with this, in fact they actively encourage it. But do it with good food or whatever and they suddenly get all jumpy.

food doesn't get taxed in my state
only idiots buy bottled water

it's not up to "society" to coerce people to do anything other than obey the law.

and really just because governemnt does shit like this all the time doesn't make it right it merely becomes accepted by people like you. you know people with a desire to control other people for their own good

Some states have food not taxed, other I believe have healthy food not taxed.

Well, it is up to society to coerce people to do things, it happens ALL THE TIME. So many decisions are made by government where this happens.

So you don't want to control people for their own good? You don't want laws against murder? Laws against stealing? Laws against violence?

You're an anarchist then!

Every example you gave are laws that address harm done to OTHER people, not harm done to themselves. Next.

Here's a hint you might want to try. Motorcycle helmet laws.

Actually I think you're wrong. If it were legal to murder, I could murder, but I could also be murdered. It protects me that I can't murder or be murdered. But then again you could have responded to the point I was making.

 

[TooTall]

To answer the question in the OP, it's because conservatives are selfish pieces of shit,.

but they give more to charity than liberals??

I'll repeat:

Conservatives tend to donate to their churches (tax deductable) which in turn, contribute a small amount of that back to actual charities. The predominant church in my area considers itself a charitable organization for the tax benefits but the actual amount of charity is about 1%.

You are confused Moon Bat.

Our church is a big contributor to feeding the poor and providing services in the community to those that really need it.

This next Sunday morning we will meet at the regular service time and go en mass to the grocery stores and buy food instead of having the normal worship service. We do that several times a year.

What are you going to be doing this Sunday morning Moon Bat, laying in bed?

The third weekend of every month my wife and I go to the grocery store and buy food and donate it to our church's food pantry. We also help to support an orphanage.

What do you do Moon Bat other than bitch that the rich are not being taxed enough?

Not knowing the specifics of your church, I'll try not to discourage your efforts to do good. However, from my experience GENERALLY, church charities shelter tax revenues that would go as far or farther in providing for the poor if they were collected.

Church charities are operated by non-paid volunteers. Give the money to the government and it would take 40 or 50 high paid civil servants to do the same thing.

 

[Markle]

Exactly. Soviet Union.
Socialism is DEMOCRATIC. Not communism. Vive la difference.

Yes, please explain the benefits of Socialism to the folks suffering under his reign.

As you know Francois, Communism is the last step in the natural progression from freedom and capitalism to Socialism to Communism.

 

[MaryL]

Brexit is the one sign England has come to it's senses. To paraphrase a Orwellian character, "its a beautiful thing"

 

[frigidweirdo]

I believe have healthy food not taxed.

You go down kicking and screaming. PLEASE show us which state do not tax "healthy food". Who decides what is healthy and what is not healthy?

NY State for example

Food and Food Products Sold by Food Stores and Similar Establishments

Nuts are exempt from sales tax "unless honey-roasted, chocolate, or candy-coated"

It's not totally healthy v. non-healthy, but there are some distinctions. Who decides? Well, everyone can decide what is healthy and what not.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, no one is taxed if they don't buy something. I'm not sure what your point is.

Nonsense, see Obamacare!

It's like paying a fucking game of silly idiots. What the fuck does your reply have to do with anything?

If you buy health insurance, you are getting something. You're getting health insurance. Fucking hell. Just because it's not a physical thing, doesn't mean you don't have something.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well after all they hand massive tax rebates to large corporate companies with food that is slammed full of sugar. And that's alright. It's basically lowering the cost of their products to make them more competitive than healthy food which doesn't get such subsidies.

Please show us your source and the link showing that CocaCola gets a "massive tax rebate" but Diet CocaCola does not.

Please show me a source that shows that diet coca cola is healthy.

This is another fucking piece of nonsense from you. You're always sidestepping issues, asking silly questions. It's getting tiring. And the whole "funny" lark too, grow up.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, no one is taxed if they don't buy something. I'm not sure what your point is.

Nonsense, see Obamacare!

It's like paying a fucking game of silly idiots. What the fuck does your reply have to do with anything?

If you buy health insurance, you are getting something. You're getting health insurance. Fucking hell. Just because it's not a physical thing, doesn't mean you don't have something.

Not even remotely.

In the case of Commie Care, if you do buy insurance, in most cases you are not getting anything.

 

[francoHFW]

In fact, they are doing it in some areas of the country. Thousands of poor homeless folks are being arrested and imprisoned daily.

What country?

Confusion Surrounds Free Obamacare Wellness Visits | US News
https://www.usnews.com/news/.../confusion-surrounds-free-obamacare-wellness-visits
Dec 10, 2015 - Stories like this are common among patients, who struggle with confusion about what prevention services insurance covers under President Barack Obama's health care law, the Affordable Care Act. ... Under the law, most health insurance plans must cover a set of preventive services without any cost to patients.

Exactly. Soviet Union.
Socialism is DEMOCRATIC. Not communism. Vive la difference.

Yes, please explain the benefits of Socialism to the folks suffering under his reign.

As you know Francois, Communism is the last step in the natural progression from freedom and capitalism to Socialism to Communism.

NEVER happened, dupe, without a violent revolution. Marx- wrong again.

 

[francoHFW]

No, no one is taxed if they don't buy something. I'm not sure what your point is.

Nonsense, see Obamacare!

It's like paying a fucking game of silly idiots. What the fuck does your reply have to do with anything?

If you buy health insurance, you are getting something. You're getting health insurance. Fucking hell. Just because it's not a physical thing, doesn't mean you don't have something.

Not even remotely.

In the case of Commie Care, if you do buy insurance, in most cases you are not getting anything.

Unless something goes wrong- that's the whole idea...Free doctor visit a year, many free tests.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, no one is taxed if they don't buy something. I'm not sure what your point is.

Nonsense, see Obamacare!

It's like paying a fucking game of silly idiots. What the fuck does your reply have to do with anything?

If you buy health insurance, you are getting something. You're getting health insurance. Fucking hell. Just because it's not a physical thing, doesn't mean you don't have something.

Not even remotely.

In the case of Commie Care, if you do buy insurance, in most cases you are not getting anything.

With Obamacare, everyone who pays is covered, right?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Come on now, you know you would love to 'Disappear' them. They're 'Subhuman' to y'all. In fact in some areas of the country, y'all are systematically imprisoning the poor. You're rounding up our poor homeless and throwing them in cages to rot. You arrest them for merely being poor.

So you've already made being poor a crime in some areas. I don't think it's such a stretch to believe you'll be taking that further and further. If y'all are allowed to much power, 'Extermination' will likely be the end-game for you. You are pretty much Nazis. Sorry, but it is what it is.

dude you have some really vicious ideas on the poor. I think we can all agree in here that it is actually you who has the problem with the poor. you have far more ideas on how to eliminate them then we could ever come up with. Nice that you took the time to layout the demise of the poor.

Dude, y'all Nazis are currently routinely arresting and imprisoning our poor homeless. You arrest them for simply being poor. So i have no illusions about who you folks are. You do subscribe to Nazi beliefs and attitudes.

If you all are ever allowed too much power, our poor will likely by rounded up in masses for imprisonment and possibly 'Extermination.' I just hope Americans are smart enough to never allow you such power. One Nazi Holocaust is enough.

you should stick to your own lame ideas about the poor and leave the rest of us alone. thanks for again demonstrating your entire hate at the poor. nice backfire.

Pointing out RW hate of the poor is NOT hate of the poor, just as pointing out RW racism is not racism. Brainwashed drivel for dupes only, dupe. Unbelievable!

They want to 'Disappear' our poor. They're currently arresting our poor homeless at an alarming rate. They're arresting them and throwing them in cages to rot. And for what reason? For simply being poor.

If allowed, they will take that further & further. I could see some form of 'Concentration Camps' at some point. The American People will have to pay close attention to what these folks are doing. They can't allow them too much power. One Nazi reign of terror is enough.

If I roll my eyes any more, I'm going to be staring at my own brain.

 

[Cecilie1200]

so you really think that most states federal money?

If the federal government didn't take as much from the people the money could stay in their own states and wouldn't come with all kinds of strings attached

I'm speaking from the perspective of the fucked up theocracy I live in (Utah). State government would fund what they consider their base (huge families and the LDS church) and leave everybody else out in the cold. At least with some federal government involvement, you have a broader base that receives the assistance.

It's not the role of the federal government to provide such assistance. The things that government is supposed to provide is listed in Article I and taxes are to be collected to pay for THOSE things.

The role of the federal government is to do what needs doing as determined by We the People

If it wasn't for Article I, you might have actually had a point. But, you don't.

You might have noticed a trend away from strict Constitutionalism. There's a reason for it. The American people have gained immeasurably from government involvement in R&D, infrastructure and a safety net. None of these things are numerated in the Constitution. Good luck convincing people they'd be better off going your way.

It's usually difficult to convince people to do the correct and moral thing instead of chasing after their own selfish desires. Doesn't mean it's not worth doing.

 

[ScienceRocks]

If you don't have a gun the poor should be able to take your house from you. Since we're going to have a conservative mindset...Then it is only fair.

 

[Vandalshandle]

If you are sure that Medicare is failing, presumably you also know what you would do about that.

Yes I do.

"Modernize the Medicare Program to Meet the Demographic, Fiscal, and Structural Challenges. Established in 1965, Medicare is a government health care program for seniors over the age of 65 and some disabled. Medicare is facing major challenges. It is generating trillions of dollars in long-term debt. It must cope with an enormous demographic shift as America’s aging population is growing steadily; it is funded by a workforce that is shrinking relative to the size of the rapidly growing population of retirees; and it is saddled with an outdated design, based on price controls and central planning, that contributes to its inflexibility and sluggishness. Incredibly, traditional Medicare still fails to meet the most basic test of insurance: the protection of patients from the financial devastation of catastrophic illness. Rather than reform Medicare, Obamacare imposes hundreds of millions of dollars of cuts on Medicare providers, and redirects these Medicare savings to offset Obamacare’s costly new entitlement programs. Policymakers should look to transform Medicare from its 1960s style defined-benefit structure, which is financially unsustainable, to a defined contribution (“premium support”) model of financing. ould also allow more dependable budgeting for both seniors and the governmentUnder this model, seniors would receive the value of their Medicare benefits in the form of a government contribution to purchase the private health insurance plan of their choice. It w and inject the powerful free market forces of choice and competition into the program to meet the needs of today’s seniors."

Now go back to your pot.

Markle, having spent 50 years as a health insurance executive, I am constantly amazed at the level of ignorance that I encounter every day on this subject. In your case, it is so profound that I would hardly know where to begin.

But, this part of it is so simple that even you can understand it. In any health plan for seniors, the cost of prescription drugs make up between 16% to 20% of the total claims cost.

Baby Bush added RX to Medicare with absolutely no offsetting revenue.

From a personal perspective, I have always appreciated the Republican economic initiatives. Unfortunately, like Reagan's tax cuts, they make no sense of a macroeconomic scale.

Great Progressive effort to divert from the actual subject. From you, NOTHING!

Have you even heard of Medicare Advantage plans, Markle? They have been in force for almost 30 years, and they do exactly what you are advocating that Medicare adopt, and I quote:
" Under this model, seniors would receive the value of their Medicare benefits in the form of a government contribution to purchase the private health insurance plan of their choice."

Sheesssseee!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Actually Reagan was for limited govt. Since Reagan govt has gotten 4 times bigger. See what happens when you drop out of HS?

no he wasn't

Reagan expanded the size scope and cost of government as much as anyone every republican president in my lifetime has done the same

You have confused what happened when Reagan was president with Reaganism. Franco dropped out and does not know that Reagan favored limited government.

Actual, I have a Masters in History and you believe a pile of Pubcrappe- All they have.

for someone with a Masters you are very bad at conveying thoughts via written speech
it's because you have no thoughts all you have are the talking points that have been spoon fed to you

Nah. I can also do that in fluent French and to a lesser extent Spanish. I blame my lack of typing skill and interest. Much info in few words, yes. "a pile of Pubcrappe- All they have."

no info

all you have are the talking points you have been spoon fed