Why are U.S. cities the epicenter of gun violence?

[2aguy]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Gun violence in America is mostly caused by inner city minorities, illegals, gang bangers and druggies.

Not all the gun crime but the vast majority.

Mostly in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

76 shot in Chicago just last weekend.

Liberals are assholes. They want to take guns away from the people that don't commit the crimes while ignoring the fact that the ones that do commit the crimes don't adhere to gun control laws.

Passing a law to ban AR-15s will prevent the White law abiding man in rural Georgia from having the weapon but will do nothing to stop the 76 shootings in Chicago.

This begs the issue of the Liberals not really caring about gun crime and having a real agenda to curtail the right to keep and bear arms because it is a threat to authoritative socialistic government control, which they love so much.

Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . You can spin that it’s all gang violence . It is not . A big chunk is domestic violence . Every week th local news has a story of some freak barricaded in his house and swat has to move in .

And as far as gang shootings go. At least there’s a motive . They are not random shootings , which is what really freaks out people the most .

Wrong..... it is not domestic violence.... 70-80% of murder victims are criminals.....you dope.

 

[Missourian]

Why are you ignoring the stats?

Our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

Glad you brought that up...it is fodder for a thread on another interesting historical trend that puzzles me...

I'll tag you when I start it.

 

[Missourian]

Here you go .

9 of top 10 gun violent States are deep red gun nuts . Least violence is a sea of Blue .

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

Suicides aren't gun violence...take out the suicides and give us the REAL gun violence by state.

 

[2aguy]

Why are you ignoring the stats?

Our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

Glad you brought that up...it is fodder for a thread on another interesting historical trend that puzzles me...

I'll tag you when I start it.

Our knife murder rate is higher than the total murder rate in Britain.

Again, brain and the other gun grabbers have to try to conflate murder with gun crime. The two are not connected. The British criminals have illegal guns, they do not use them to commit murder. They have illegal guns, they use them for crime, they just don't pull the trigger as often and when they do, most of the time they shoot to wound as a warning or punishment, not to kill.

But you notice they don't talk gun crime, they always harp on gun murder. The reason for this is that gun crime, the criminal use of guns in Britain where they banned and confiscated guns, is going up....44% in London, 23% across England and Wales just last year...... violent crime is also sky rocketing in Britain...

Meanwhile, as more Americans own and carry guns...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Gun violence in America is mostly caused by inner city minorities, illegals, gang bangers and druggies.

Not all the gun crime but the vast majority.

Mostly in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

76 shot in Chicago just last weekend.

Liberals are assholes. They want to take guns away from the people that don't commit the crimes while ignoring the fact that the ones that do commit the crimes don't adhere to gun control laws.

Passing a law to ban AR-15s will prevent the White law abiding man in rural Georgia from having the weapon but will do nothing to stop the 76 shootings in Chicago.

This begs the issue of the Liberals not really caring about gun crime and having a real agenda to curtail the right to keep and bear arms because it is a threat to authoritative socialistic government control, which they love so much.

Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . You can spin that it’s all gang violence . It is not . A big chunk is domestic violence . Every week th local news has a story of some freak barricaded in his house and swat has to move in .

And as far as gang shootings go. At least there’s a motive . They are not random shootings , which is what really freaks out people the most .

And more guns are used to stop violent crime than are used to cause it....our CDC found that Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals....our Department of Justice found that Americans use their guns 1.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals......

Add to that, as more Americans own and carry guns?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Timmy]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Gun violence in America is mostly caused by inner city minorities, illegals, gang bangers and druggies.

Not all the gun crime but the vast majority.

Mostly in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

76 shot in Chicago just last weekend.

Liberals are assholes. They want to take guns away from the people that don't commit the crimes while ignoring the fact that the ones that do commit the crimes don't adhere to gun control laws.

Passing a law to ban AR-15s will prevent the White law abiding man in rural Georgia from having the weapon but will do nothing to stop the 76 shootings in Chicago.

This begs the issue of the Liberals not really caring about gun crime and having a real agenda to curtail the right to keep and bear arms because it is a threat to authoritative socialistic government control, which they love so much.

Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . You can spin that it’s all gang violence . It is not . A big chunk is domestic violence . Every week th local news has a story of some freak barricaded in his house and swat has to move in .

And as far as gang shootings go. At least there’s a motive . They are not random shootings , which is what really freaks out people the most .

And more guns are used to stop violent crime than are used to cause it....our CDC found that Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals....our Department of Justice found that Americans use their guns 1.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals......

Add to that, as more Americans own and carry guns?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Guns don’t stop violent crime . People do!

 

[2aguy]

Dipshit.....

Mass public shooters average 75 people killed a year..... inner city gang members, in democrat controlled areas account for almost all of the other 11,004 murders in 2016....

Black on Black murder is the biggest driver of gun murder in this country. And it is happening in democrat controlled areas.

Dipshit, most mass shooters are white.

Not by percentage.

Percentages dont change the fact that most mass shootings are done by whites.

But the vast majority of gun murder is committed by minorities.... in democrat controlled cities....

Makes sense. But that doesnt change the fact that most mass shootings are done by whites.

Yes.... of the mass shooting murder victims... here is the number by year..

Take away the 117, and blame it all on white guys....you Mother Jones doesn't describe race....that is 2017.... in 2016, there were 11,004 gun murders...

You have to account for 10,887 gun murders... the majority of which are committed by Blacks against other Blacks...

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[Timmy]

Here you go .

9 of top 10 gun violent States are deep red gun nuts . Least violence is a sea of Blue .

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

Suicides aren't gun violence...take out the suicides and give us the REAL gun violence by state.

I’ll see if I can find that . BUT..

Suicides are no big dea?

And , do you really think taking suicides out will make that big a difference in the rankings ?

 

[2aguy]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Gun violence in America is mostly caused by inner city minorities, illegals, gang bangers and druggies.

Not all the gun crime but the vast majority.

Mostly in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

76 shot in Chicago just last weekend.

Liberals are assholes. They want to take guns away from the people that don't commit the crimes while ignoring the fact that the ones that do commit the crimes don't adhere to gun control laws.

Passing a law to ban AR-15s will prevent the White law abiding man in rural Georgia from having the weapon but will do nothing to stop the 76 shootings in Chicago.

This begs the issue of the Liberals not really caring about gun crime and having a real agenda to curtail the right to keep and bear arms because it is a threat to authoritative socialistic government control, which they love so much.

Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . You can spin that it’s all gang violence . It is not . A big chunk is domestic violence . Every week th local news has a story of some freak barricaded in his house and swat has to move in .

And as far as gang shootings go. At least there’s a motive . They are not random shootings , which is what really freaks out people the most .

And more guns are used to stop violent crime than are used to cause it....our CDC found that Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals....our Department of Justice found that Americans use their guns 1.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals......

Add to that, as more Americans own and carry guns?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Guns don’t stop violent crime . People do!

Yep... and those people stop the violence with guns... that is why at every mass shooting, the first thing we do is send in a bunch of people with guns....

 

[2aguy]

Here you go .

9 of top 10 gun violent States are deep red gun nuts . Least violence is a sea of Blue .

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

Suicides aren't gun violence...take out the suicides and give us the REAL gun violence by state.

I’ll see if I can find that . BUT..

Suicides are no big dea?

And , do you really think taking suicides out will make that big a difference in the rankings ?

Gun suicides in this country are outnumbered by non gun suicides in countries with extreme gun control. Japan, china, Korea have extreme gun control and higher suicide rates than we do....also many European Countries with extreme gun control have higher suicide rates than we do....and

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[2aguy]

Here you go .

9 of top 10 gun violent States are deep red gun nuts . Least violence is a sea of Blue .

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

Suicides aren't gun violence...take out the suicides and give us the REAL gun violence by state.

I’ll see if I can find that . BUT..

Suicides are no big dea?

And , do you really think taking suicides out will make that big a difference in the rankings ?

As I just showed you.... guns are not the issue in suicide...since so many other countries with exteme gun control have higher suicide rates than we do..... so that is why guns don't for suicide comparisons.

 

[Timmy]

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Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . Y .

Bullshit Moon Bat. Youare confused.

For instance, the state of North Dakota as the same number of residences as Washington DC, 1000 times more legal gun ownership and 1/50th the gun crime. If gun availability was the cause of gun crime then states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Utah etc would be the gun crime capitols of the US but they are not. The places where most of the gun crime in this country takes place are the Democrat controlled inner city shitholes with strict gun control laws.

So dishonest . Typical of gun nuts . ND is a giant empty state . DC is a city . It’s literally impossible to shoot your neighbor because they are so far away from you!!!

I challenge you to compare similar suited states .

Example . Massachusetts vs Arizona . Similar population and both have a major city . Opposite sides of gun control .

 

[Flopper]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Why are U.S. cities the epicenter of gun violence? The answer should be pretty obvious. In cities there are a lot more people per square mile than in rural areas, small towns, are suburbs. When we ask the question, why are crime rates higher in the city? Gangs, a greater mix of race and ethnicity pop up. There is also the pressure cooker effect.

 

[Crepitus]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Why? Because they are so easy to get, so easy to conceal, and so easy to use.

And so damn permanent once you do.

 

[2aguy]

[QUOT


Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . Y .

Bullshit Moon Bat. Youare confused.

For instance, the state of North Dakota as the same number of residences as Washington DC, 1000 times more legal gun ownership and 1/50th the gun crime. If gun availability was the cause of gun crime then states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Utah etc would be the gun crime capitols of the US but they are not. The places where most of the gun crime in this country takes place are the Democrat controlled inner city shitholes with strict gun control laws.

So dishonest . Typical of gun nuts . ND is a giant empty state . DC is a city . It’s literally impossible to shoot your neighbor because they are so far away from you!!!

I challenge you to compare similar suited states .

Example . Massachusetts vs Arizona . Similar population and both have a major city . Opposite sides of gun control .

I did... Houston and Chicago, and Houston has more people carrying guns, gun stores and gun ranges and they are in a state next to the narco state of Mexico...


Chicago.... no gun stores, no shooting ranges in city limits. Extreme gun control. 47,000 Concealed carry permits in cook county.....

How Many People Have Concealed Carry Licenses in Your County?

Houston... gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges too, and more concealed carry permits than Chicago. 139,563 licensed permits in the county that contains Houston.

Licensed to Carry: Handguns in Texas

Houston is on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Gun murder in 2016...

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

Houston........2.3 million


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765

Houston .......301

 

[2aguy]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Why? Because they are so easy to get, so easy to conceal, and so easy to use.

And so damn permanent once you do.

Wrong.......

Two cities......

Chicago.... no gun stores, no shooting ranges in city limits. Extreme gun control. 47,000 Concealed carry permits in cook county.....

How Many People Have Concealed Carry Licenses in Your County?

Houston... gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges too, and more concealed carry permits than Chicago. 139,563 licensed permits in the county that contains Houston.

Licensed to Carry: Handguns in Texas

Houston is on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Gun murder in 2016...

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

Houston........2.3 million


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765

Houston .......301

Then....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[007]

Because when we humanoids are packed in close spaces we tend to piss each other off.

I tend to agree with that...along with the anonymity a city inherently provides...but doesn't that make cities the problem and not guns?

Well if you lived, say in SanFranqueerco, and you can't walk a city block without stepping in a pile of shit or on needles, and have some filthy illegal alien that just banged up some heroine harass you for money, wouldn't you be pissed off? I'd be tempted to shoot someone too.

Why people live in cities is beyond me. If it's just for the money, I'd argue that it's far more expensive to live in a city than out in the country. I own an acre and a quarter of land, a 3 bay, two story garage/shop, a smaller house but nice, and I paid $79,500 for it. This same property in CA would be well north of a million. So even if you make less money out here in the country, your money goes a lot further than it would in the city. So people must love their misery. They stay in cities regardless of the filth, the high cost of living and the DANGER.

Why?

 

[Timmy]

[QUOT


Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . Y .

Bullshit Moon Bat. Youare confused.

For instance, the state of North Dakota as the same number of residences as Washington DC, 1000 times more legal gun ownership and 1/50th the gun crime. If gun availability was the cause of gun crime then states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Utah etc would be the gun crime capitols of the US but they are not. The places where most of the gun crime in this country takes place are the Democrat controlled inner city shitholes with strict gun control laws.

So dishonest . Typical of gun nuts . ND is a giant empty state . DC is a city . It’s literally impossible to shoot your neighbor because they are so far away from you!!!

I challenge you to compare similar suited states .

Example . Massachusetts vs Arizona . Similar population and both have a major city . Opposite sides of gun control .

I did... Houston and Chicago, and Houston has more people carrying guns, gun stores and gun ranges and they are in a state next to the narco state of Mexico...


Chicago.... no gun stores, no shooting ranges in city limits. Extreme gun control. 47,000 Concealed carry permits in cook county.....

How Many People Have Concealed Carry Licenses in Your County?

Houston... gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges too, and more concealed carry permits than Chicago. 139,563 licensed permits in the county that contains Houston.

Licensed to Carry: Handguns in Texas

Houston is on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Gun murder in 2016...

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

Houston........2.3 million


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765

Houston .......301

Murder rate . What’s the gun murder rate?

As I said before . Chicago is an outlier because of its historic gang violence .

I noticed you compared cities and not states .

 

[2aguy]

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Gun crime is caused by the ease of gun availability . Y .

Bullshit Moon Bat. Youare confused.

For instance, the state of North Dakota as the same number of residences as Washington DC, 1000 times more legal gun ownership and 1/50th the gun crime. If gun availability was the cause of gun crime then states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Utah etc would be the gun crime capitols of the US but they are not. The places where most of the gun crime in this country takes place are the Democrat controlled inner city shitholes with strict gun control laws.

So dishonest . Typical of gun nuts . ND is a giant empty state . DC is a city . It’s literally impossible to shoot your neighbor because they are so far away from you!!!

I challenge you to compare similar suited states .

Example . Massachusetts vs Arizona . Similar population and both have a major city . Opposite sides of gun control .

I did... Houston and Chicago, and Houston has more people carrying guns, gun stores and gun ranges and they are in a state next to the narco state of Mexico...


Chicago.... no gun stores, no shooting ranges in city limits. Extreme gun control. 47,000 Concealed carry permits in cook county.....

How Many People Have Concealed Carry Licenses in Your County?

Houston... gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges too, and more concealed carry permits than Chicago. 139,563 licensed permits in the county that contains Houston.

Licensed to Carry: Handguns in Texas

Houston is on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Gun murder in 2016...

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

Houston........2.3 million


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765

Houston .......301

Murder rate . What’s the gun murder rate?

As I said before . Chicago is an outlier because of its historic gang violence .

I noticed you compared cities and not states .

Because the two cities have similar populations and Chicago has extreme gun control and Houston does not.....I showed you the stats and according to you, Housont should be a hell hole, more than Chicago......and it isn't.

 

[Missourian]

I’ll see if I can find that . BUT..

Suicides are no big deal?

And , do you really think taking suicides out will make that big a difference in the rankings ?

Not saying suicides are no big deal...just that they aren't violence. When people worry about getting shot, it is others they worry about doing the shooting...not themselves.

And yes, I am absolutely sure it changes the rankings significantly...you'll be very surprised.