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Customers demand cheaper products because they afford to pay more due to wage disparity.
That wasn't what you started with. Can you say "move the goal posts"? Sure, I knew you could.Name one Republican politician that either authored or supported any legislation that benefited the middle class, without giving rich/wealthy/corporations a bigger boost.
George W. Bush.
George W. Bush
BushCo caused the worst economic failure in history.
And Bush was an economically liberal president. The only economically conservative thing he did was cut taxes.
That wasn't what you started with. Can you say "move the goal posts"? Sure, I knew you could.
Bullshit.
I stated: Name one Republican politician that either authored or supported any legislation that benefited the middle class, without giving rich/wealthy/corporations a bigger boost?
Your (s) answer was W. Bush, that caused to worst economic crash in US history.
And the answer is correct. Medicare expansion, for one.
And Bush was an economically liberal president. The only economically conservative thing he did was cut taxes.It worked quite well until the housing bubble popped, but you knew that. The middle class hasn't fared so well since, either, even though we've had enough time for a decent recovery.How did eight years of BushCo work for the middle class?
I'm not stating on internet boards that I regard myself as a dirty rotten anything. That was you.Self hatred is a liberal characteristic.This should be interesting. Liberals can't stand it when they're reminded how economically liberal their most hated president really was.George W. Bush.
This should be interesting. Liberals can't stand it when they're reminded how economically liberal their most hated president really was.
I'm not a liberal, I'm a dirty rotten capitalist.
Self hatred is a liberal characteristic.
Bloviating is your characteristic?
I've been hearing about how the Nordic countries are going bankrupt under their generous welfare state for about 30 years. Somehow, they're still here and the people are still the happiest. Maybe they've figured out something that Americans seem to be too stupid to understand. They adapt to the current situation.Well, like I said, not a single civilized nation in the world agrees with you.Because every non-third-world-nation in the World recognizes that part of the social contract of an enlightened society is that we care for our poor. I'm sorry if you cannot recognize the social, economic, and health benefits of reducing poverty in our nation. Perhaps you should move to one of those third-world countries where they don't care, and let the rich freely rape, and pillage the poor.Why can't we just cut it to ZERO???
When you subsidize laziness and acceptance of poverty, you get what you pay for.
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Gads will we ever stop hearing about how great all the *other* civilized countries have it sooo much better than the us?
"Progressives in America are often keen on promoting the European welfare state as an argument for big government, not least in the healthcare debate. They point to European countries, often the social-democratic Nordic countries, as role models, with their universal healthcare, public school system, generous social-safety net, and all the happy people who live there.
"This line of argument got a significant boost when Newsweek proclaimed that Finland was the best country in the world to live in, closely followed by Sweden and Switzerland. And of course they are happy. After all, there is no poverty in these great countries, the populace is educated, and people generally don't have a care in the world, because the benevolent government is always there to solve every problem.
"Many people have tried to dispel this myth, but it still persists. I don't presume to be able to put this issue to rest, but there are some things that should be known about this mythical utopia, the "best country in the world" — Finland."
The Bankrupt Finnish Welfare State
There is no free market or enterprise, and the Republican system since at least 1970 has been throwing the middle class under the bus. I should know, I'm one of those capitalists.
"Middle class" is a myth developed by Marxists. Roughly 38% of the people who were considered "middle class" in 1970 are not in the "middle class" today. Most moved up, some moved down. Likewise, the group you call "the rich" aren't the same people either.... nor are "the poor" ...these are all class categories you speak of as if they never change. We don't have classes in America. You are free to aspire to any class you want to be in.
You claim to be a capitalist but you're espousing Marxism so that means you can only be a corporatist. You're actually a bigger threat to free market capitalism than the Socialists. You exploit the power of government for your advantage. That's not free market capitalism... it's the antithesis of it.
"Middle class" is a myth developed by Marxists. Roughly 38% of the people who were considered "middle class" in 1970 are not in the "middle class" today. Most moved up, some moved down. Likewise, the group you call "the rich" aren't the same people either.... nor are "the poor" ...these are all class categories you speak of as if they never change. We don't have classes in America. You are free to aspire to any class you want to be in.
You claim to be a capitalist but you're espousing Marxism so that means you can only be a corporatist. You're actually a bigger threat to free market capitalism than the Socialists. You exploit the power of government for your advantage. That's not free market capitalism... it's the antithesis of it.
The economic class you belong is a myth? LOL!
That I belong to ANY class is a myth in America. I am only limited by my ambition. You see, you HAVE to lie about this... you MUST sell this myth in order to promote Marxism. We're not some Asian country with a caste system or dictators and kings where there is a ruling class. So all your arguments for Marxism don't work as well until you build up the myth that people are trapped in their class.
The TRUTH is, we're not trapped in our class. We have the freedom and liberty to be in any class we like... it's all up to us as individuals. People risk their lives every day to come here for this opportunity.
Name one Republican politician that either authored or supported any legislation that benefited the middle class, without giving rich/wealthy/corporations a bigger boost.
George W. Bush.
George W. Bush
BushCo caused the worst economic failure in history.
Totally different point than the question you asked. It's also another lie.
Please explain to us how the company that you work has anything to due with the creation, maintenance, or expansion of the national power grid when the grid is managed by the U.S. Department of Energy.
The Department of Energy REGULATES the electric utility industry through FERC, NERC, and the ISOS. They do not OWN anything.
If they did, how would individual electric companies be responsible for the excise taxes on the facilities (poles, transformers, wire, etc....) on a yearly basis, and why would said companies be able to deduct the depreciation of those assets (when replaced), on their taxes.
Please learn something about this industry before you make yourself look any sillier.
Employers are making money, so much so that most need to hire a third hand to shove it in their pockets.
The governments job is to make sure the predator employers don't take advantage of their employees, and to set a minimum wage to keep workers off the government dole.
No, that is not governments job. Governments job is to preserve the freedom we have to insure our own happiness and finances. Show me one of the three things you listed that are in the US Constitution.
Ya know. I keep hearing from fake conservatives about how we spend too much on welfare. Welfare would cause taxes to raise. Poor people want to steal more of my money. Blah, blah, blah.
Some interesting statistics:
Finland spends 3.2% of its federal budget on public assistance.
Great Britain spends a little over 4.6%
Israel spends 2.4%
Norway spends a whopping 6.2%.
And the US? 0.7%. That's it.
So, why can't we just increase that to 2%? We can take that 2% away from our bloated military budget. It would still make us the Western nation that spends the least amount of money on their poor, but imagine the massive effect that would have on poverty in this country. And it wouldn't even cost the tax payers one. Red. Cent. more than they are paying, now. Because I'm not suggesting increasing the budget. I'm suggesting giving public assistance a slightly larger piece of the existing budget.
Why is that such an outrageous idea?
There ya go again, answering a 2016 question with an 1870 answer.
It's nice you have such a gung-ho attitude, but when the smoke clears and the bank statement opens....you're middle class.
The point was how it worked for the middle class. Not well.
Customers demand cheaper products because they afford to pay more due to wage disparity.
Bull. It's been going on for well over 30 years.
And we Republicans have been warning about this day for a long time now. And what did your leaders back then tell you? "Oh, those are Republicans. Don't listen to them. Silly, silly Republicans. Why they are only looking out for their rich buddies don't you see?"
Why does the government through the DOE pay tens of millions/billions to repair and improve the grid?
There ya go again, answering a 2016 question with an 1870 answer.
At least I have an answer.
It's nice you have such a gung-ho attitude, but when the smoke clears and the bank statement opens....you're middle class.
What's "middle class?"
I suppose, by some people's measure, I would probably be middle class.... while others may consider me "wealthy" ...and there are probably some uber-wealthy people who would laugh at the idea that I am wealthy.
I'll put it like this... I am comfortable. I don't have to work anymore. I have made enough money in my lifetime to live comfortably for the rest of my days and my kids and family are all taken care of as well. I live an extremely moderate lifestyle because I've learned the best things in life are free. It doesn't take a lot of material things to make me happy.
Are we judging "middle class" by my annual earned income? If you're going by that, I'm poverty level. I didn't even qualify to pay income tax this year. But you see... I've already earned my income and paid my taxes. I now have wealth and I live off that. And this is where your class warfare arguments break down. MOST wealthy people are in the same boat. They don't earn massive incomes anymore... they may have at one time, but they don't anymore.
Ya know. I keep hearing from fake conservatives about how we spend too much on welfare. Welfare would cause taxes to raise. Poor people want to steal more of my money. Blah, blah, blah.
Some interesting statistics:
Finland spends 3.2% of its federal budget on public assistance.
Great Britain spends a little over 4.6%
Israel spends 2.4%
Norway spends a whopping 6.2%.
And the US? 0.7%. That's it.
So, why can't we just increase that to 2%? We can take that 2% away from our bloated military budget. It would still make us the Western nation that spends the least amount of money on their poor, but imagine the massive effect that would have on poverty in this country. And it wouldn't even cost the tax payers one. Red. Cent. more than they are paying, now. Because I'm not suggesting increasing the budget. I'm suggesting giving public assistance a slightly larger piece of the existing budget.
Why is that such an outrageous idea?
It's nice you have such a gung-ho attitude, but when the smoke clears and the bank statement opens....you're middle class.
What's "middle class?"
I suppose, by some people's measure, I would probably be middle class.... while others may consider me "wealthy" ...and there are probably some uber-wealthy people who would laugh at the idea that I am wealthy.
I'll put it like this... I am comfortable. I don't have to work anymore. I have made enough money in my lifetime to live comfortably for the rest of my days and my kids and family are all taken care of as well. I live an extremely moderate lifestyle because I've learned the best things in life are free. It doesn't take a lot of material things to make me happy.
Are we judging "middle class" by my annual earned income? If you're going by that, I'm poverty level. I didn't even qualify to pay income tax this year. But you see... I've already earned my income and paid my taxes. I now have wealth and I live off that. And this is where your class warfare arguments break down. MOST wealthy people are in the same boat. They don't earn massive incomes anymore... they may have at one time, but they don't anymore.
What's "middle class?"
I suppose, by some people's measure, I would probably be middle class.... while others may consider me "wealthy" ...and there are probably some uber-wealthy people who would laugh at the idea that I am wealthy.
I'll put it like this... I am comfortable. I don't have to work anymore. I have made enough money in my lifetime to live comfortably for the rest of my days and my kids and family are all taken care of as well. I live an extremely moderate lifestyle because I've learned the best things in life are free. It doesn't take a lot of material things to make me happy.
Are we judging "middle class" by my annual earned income? If you're going by that, I'm poverty level. I didn't even qualify to pay income tax this year. But you see... I've already earned my income and paid my taxes. I now have wealth and I live off that. And this is where your class warfare arguments break down. MOST wealthy people are in the same boat. They don't earn massive incomes anymore... they may have at one time, but they don't anymore.
Since you're confused, this should help.
What is middle class, anyway? - CNNMoney
Why does the government through the DOE pay tens of millions/billions to repair and improve the grid?
For the same reason the Dept of Education spends millions on schools it doesn't own. The Federal Government Illegally, unconstitutionally, and immorally provides financial support to many smaller utility companies that exist on almost no margin. They don't own these companies, the subsidize them.
Some monies also go into research and development for electric facilities (again Unconstitutionally).
