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I already told you, I don't care what the law says about whether a baby can be killed or not.
glad to see you care about the law
im out, enjoy the shortned life due to the high blood pressure and stress
More than your side does, since WE respect the proper, LEGAL way of changing laws
rather than imposing our will by illegal judicial fiat.
im out, enjoy the shortned life due to the high blood pressure and stress
And right on schedule, the talking-point troll blows through the last one on the list and runs away, to be replaced by the next troll on the rotation.
I wonder if they're at least getting minimum wage for this.
More than your side does, since WE respect the proper, LEGAL way of changing laws
One of the many advantages of a Constitutional Republic is that we are subject to the rule of law, not the rule of men; because, per the evidence in this thread, men are incapable of ruling justly. Reading your posts and those of your ilk, I am very thankful for this.
rather than imposing our will by illegal judicial fiat.
A subjective and ignorant statement per Marbury v Madison (1803), the Supreme Court decides what the Constitution means; it is quite legal and appropriate in the context of the rule of law.
Your only response to this may be you citing a case decided by the Supreme Court overturning Marbury.
More than your side does, since WE respect the proper, LEGAL way of changing laws
One of the many advantages of a Constitutional Republic is that we are subject to the rule of law, not the rule of men; because, per the evidence in this thread, men are incapable of ruling justly. Reading your posts and those of your ilk, I am very thankful for this.
rather than imposing our will by illegal judicial fiat.
A subjective and ignorant statement per Marbury v Madison (1803), the Supreme Court decides what the Constitution means; it is quite legal and appropriate in the context of the rule of law.
Your only response to this may be you citing a case decided by the Supreme Court overturning Marbury.
I'm sorry, it's just . . . the irony . . . ::cough:: Can't breathe . . . Back when I can stop . . .
More than your side does, since WE respect the proper, LEGAL way of changing laws
One of the many advantages of a Constitutional Republic is that we are subject to the rule of law, not the rule of men; because, per the evidence in this thread, men are incapable of ruling justly. Reading your posts and those of your ilk, I am very thankful for this.
rather than imposing our will by illegal judicial fiat.
A subjective and ignorant statement per Marbury v Madison (1803), the Supreme Court decides what the Constitution means; it is quite legal and appropriate in the context of the rule of law.
Your only response to this may be you citing a case decided by the Supreme Court overturning Marbury.
im out, enjoy the shortned life due to the high blood pressure and stress
And right on schedule, the talking-point troll blows through the last one on the list and runs away, to be replaced by the next troll on the rotation.
I wonder if they're at least getting minimum wage for this.
But abortion apparently is not illegal in any state because it happens everyday and is supported by most Democrats. So how is she a victim by willingly walking in and doing the devils deed? She is not a victim, if anyone is the victim it is the child because it's mother was too big of a piece of shit to take responsibility for spreading her legs, and there is no way you can justify what you are saying so knock it off already.
If a female was made to bear her child, she might feel an obligation to love and raise it, which would create a family environment and prosperity, and we all know that progressive liberals hate a family environment because it symbolizes liberty and free will without government intrusion, it basically lets families know "Hey, we love each other enough to weather any type of storm and as long as we have faith in god we can do this and not have to rely on government", and also "Because a child is seen as a gift from god" which we all know liberals dont believe in a god.
You go ahead and prepare for hell, that or let hell stoke the fires hot for you, either way your friends will be toasting to you while you stay there....for eternity.
My reply to Grumps remark about Good luck on getting a conviction started with the phrase If abortion were illegal, so it was a hypothetical.
My point is, should abortion ever become illegal, it will the the abortionist breaking the law and not necessarily the woman seeking the abortion.
I say this because, if abortion ever does become illegal on grounds that it is the taking of a human life, it would be the person doing the actual killing who commits the crime.
In some places there is "being an accessory" which carries the same penalty..
That aside, abortion is not, nor ever should be, illegal....Bad choice to made IMO, but a choice nonetheless..
And do you believe in the abortion of babies that have medical issues, genetic abnormalities or limited capacity?
Whether or not it's needed is up to the mother and whether she feels she needs it done.
I still see you're stuck on the eugenics thing, I don't know how many times I can tell you it has nothing to do with it.
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why are you so worried about what another person does or doesnt do to their body? this is technically a medical decision, why do you feel that you should be able to have a say in what an individual does with their doctor?
if youre argument is simply because there is a "life" involved, its a bad argument, as your life is not affected and a fetus is dependent on its mother for life for up to 9 months. Again your defiinition of life is thin as well, seeing as how the youngest premature baby to ever survive was 22 weeks, and i believe (you can correct me if im wrong) abortion in most states is illegal after 20 weeks.
another question i ask, refers to what happens to that child if they are born and the parent does not want the child? the child goes into the system and becomes a ward of the state. now you may say that well there are many people who want to adopt children, to which i would say there are currently over 500,000 children waiting to be adopted in the US who sit in foster care, why arent people who want families adopting these children?
personally, i do not care if a women chooses to have an abortion, or chooses to have a child as this is none of my business and most notably does not affect my personal well being.
what gives you the right to tell anyone anywhere what to do?
I don't care what people do with their own bodies.
I am however, concerned about what they do to children. If you don't want to take care of your own baby, other people are going to intercede for it. That's the way this works. People who victimize vulnerable populations tend to come under unfavorable scrutiny.
this difference is that pro lifers and pro choicers have a differing opinion on when life begins whether it is at conception, or at birth and i do not think this will ever change.
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I think parental responsibility starts with not killing your children.
like i said your definition of children and the pro choicer definition of children is different and will never change.
i do enjoy how have ignored 90% of my argument, it seems to me like you have a very narrow focus of solely advocating for fetuses and not actual living breathing children.
a child is not a child until it can live and breathe on its own, not while it is still dependent on its mother for life.
im not telling you what to do with your life, im simply stating that you claim to be such an advocate for unborn children, why are you not an advocate for living children? i dont see you crusading for parental responsibility.....
You don't even have an argument. Is telling me I should be involved in child advocacy an "argument"?
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it seems to me that all you do is campaign against abortion, but you dont follow that same passion when it comes to actually affecting the lives of children.
"I am however, concerned about what they do to children."
those are your exact words. if that is really your concern, what else are you doing to help the children beside campaigning against abortion?
The best way to find out if a pro-lifer is actually pro-life in principle is ask them their views on wars that aren't imminent to the defense of the United States.
this difference is that pro lifers and pro choicers have a differing opinion on when life begins
...There is no room for 'what you think' when it comes to matters of scientifically verifiable facts about the universe.whether it is at conception, or at birth and i do not think this will ever change.
So you freely admit that you will never stop lying or even consider the possibility of being honest because abortionism is a religion and it is a matter of faith to you?
Sorry, but evolution has been observed and creationism is not science. There is no rrom for your 'opinion' [religion] when it comes to matters of science
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...obviously cant comprehend english as im a pro choicer not a pro lifer, which hence mean for me life begins at birth...
those are your exact words. if that is really your concern, what else are you doing to help the children beside campaigning against abortion?
Campaigning to save their lives isn't enough?
what if their quality of life is in the gutter? are you gonna take care of that child when a parent cant? what if they are neglected or abused? what if they die from poverty? what are you doing about that?
what if their quality of life is in the gutter?...
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And why do I have to volunteer to take care of the children you want dead?
There is no justification for killing children. You don't kill children because you don't like the life you think they might eventually live. You don't kill children because you don't have the job you always dreamed of. You don't kill children because you have 2.3 other children already, and don't want anymore. You don't kill children because you want their money, and you don't kill children to protect your own money.
Because it still is just killing children. Murder is murder. Lots of murderers have justification, in their own minds, for the murder. So what? It's still murder.
You can die of poverty yes, its called affects of malnutrition or access to basic services such as shelter, clothing and medical care.
you should also read the definition of murder... since you probably havent here it is:
Murder - the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.
since not part of abortion meets this definition, abortion does not equal murder. you may think so in your mind, but in legal world and world in which we live they are not one in the same.
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what gives you the right to tell a woman what to do with her body?
im out, enjoy the shortned life due to the high blood pressure and stress
And right on schedule, the talking-point troll blows through the last one on the list and runs away, to be replaced by the next troll on the rotation.
I wonder if they're at least getting minimum wage for this.
no...
it seems to me that all you do is campaign against abortion, but you dont follow that same passion when it comes to actually affecting the lives of children.
those are your exact words. if that is really your concern, what else are you doing to help the children beside campaigning against abortion?
The best way to find out if a pro-lifer is actually pro-life in principle is ask them their views on wars that aren't imminent to the defense of the United States.
Since there was no such thing as a Pro-Live Movement until after the Roe opinion, I think it is fairly obvious that the term deals specifically with the life of those being aborted.
That said, there are many pro-lifers who are also anti-war but war and abortion are two different issues.
The best way to find out if a pro-lifer is actually pro-life in principle is ask them their views on wars that aren't imminent to the defense of the United States.
Since there was no such thing as a Pro-Live Movement until after the Roe opinion, I think it is fairly obvious that the term deals specifically with the life of those being aborted.
That said, there are many pro-lifers who are also anti-war but war and abortion are two different issues.
But Allie said she cherished life and many of the pro-lifers say the same thing, if someone supposedly has that principle than it should extend to all issues.
But more often than not the supposed pro-life people are the ones beating the war drum the loudest, which makes you think the only reason they're pro choice is because either their bureacrats and talking heads tell them to be or because of their religion.
