why common people don't believe the MSM or the Democrats! Obama's $8m home!

[OldLady]

Just one more PHONY liberal talking out his ass. I wonder what he got paid for that phony speech, $300k? Sure I'll give a speech on wealth inequality, if you pay me $300k.

He deserves it. He had the hardest job in the world for eight years. He earned the respect of people all over the world for his attempts at nuclear disarmament and supporting economic efforts to bring the world's poor into the 21st century.
You want to take on the job of the Presidency for eight years? Never a single minute actually "off," with the weight of the world on your shoulders? No wonder he disappeared on a three month vacation as soon as he was done.
$300K is diddly squat. You can bet Trump will ask for $750K when he's out of office.

That really isn't the point. He is chastising people for doing what he is doing.

Do you really think his speech meant that people who work hard shouldn't have a nice home in a good neighborhood? That is not the take away I got from it.

He chided people for excess and talked about how bad vast wealth difference is but also confirmed the $20 mil he made. If he is that concerned about the wealth difference, he should give his away at the same time he talks poorly of those that enjoy the spoils of wealth as he does.

I think he might have been making a point about how you spend that money and what you do to try and benefit the people who have nothing. He isn't wrong, you know. I don't see his home as being "excessive."

 

[Confounding]

Most rich people DESERVE their wealth. They earned it.
Or is it just elite socialists that deserve it?

It takes more than one person to make a billion dollars. It's a question of what's moral in the distribution of that earned money. Why should somebody be able to make billions off the sweat and suffering of people that can barely afford to live? Yes, they choose to work for that person, but only out of desperation. That's not an amount of money they are comfortable or content with. You say they earned it, but I say the people that pull the levers and turn the gears earned it too, or at least some more of it than they get. Society should care more about the lowest among us. That's why places like Scandinavia are much happier than we are.

Well, we certainly wont agree on that.
Business owners take all the chances.
Laborers do not. Laborers earn what they agree to be paid.

Business owners in Scandinavian countries are still very successful, and they pay their employees well too. There are reasonable middle grounds that would improve our society as a whole. I guess the thought that there would be fewer billionaires doesn't bother me too much when you're talking about increasing the overall comfort and happiness of society by a significant amount. The fact that there are plenty of desperate people that will agree to work for shit wages doesn't make the practice moral in my opinion. There is a lot to be gained as a society when the lower end doesn't struggle as much.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I applaud Obama and family for having a multimillion dollar home. No one told him he shouldn’t have one nor has anyone told him that at a certain point, he’s made too much money. No politician put in policies to limit his economic opportunity. What baffles me is why any President or politician would push or call for such policies.

If it’s good enough for him and his family, then it is good enough for any and every other American.

 

[Hossfly]

Just one more PHONY liberal talking out his ass. I wonder what he got paid for that phony speech, $300k? Sure I'll give a speech on wealth inequality, if you pay me $300k.

He deserves it. He had the hardest job in the world for eight years. He earned the respect of people all over the world for his attempts at nuclear disarmament and supporting economic efforts to bring the world's poor into the 21st century.
You want to take on the job of the Presidency for eight years? Never a single minute actually "off," with the weight of the world on your shoulders? No wonder he disappeared on a three month vacation as soon as he was done.
$300K is diddly squat. You can bet Trump will ask for $750K when he's out of office.

"Obama earned the respect of people all over the world..." except for the American public that counted. But then the dead people voting rolls grow increasingly larger every election cycle. Good thing that America-hating SOB is out of office.

 

[TNHarley]

Most rich people DESERVE their wealth. They earned it.
Or is it just elite socialists that deserve it?

It takes more than one person to make a billion dollars. It's a question of what's moral in the distribution of that earned money. Why should somebody be able to make billions off the sweat and suffering of people that can barely afford to live? Yes, they choose to work for that person, but only out of desperation. That's not an amount of money they are comfortable or content with. You say they earned it, but I say the people that pull the levers and turn the gears earned it too, or at least some more of it than they get. Society should care more about the lowest among us. That's why places like Scandinavia are much happier than we are.

Well, we certainly wont agree on that.
Business owners take all the chances.
Laborers do not. Laborers earn what they agree to be paid.

Business owners in Scandinavian countries are still very successful, and they pay their employees well too. There are reasonable middle grounds that would improve our society as a whole. I guess the thought that there would be fewer billionaires doesn't bother me too much when you're talking about increasing the overall comfort and happiness of society by a significant amount. The fact that there are plenty of desperate people that will agree to work for shit wages doesn't make the practice moral in my opinion. There is a lot to be gained as a society when the lower end doesn't struggle as much.

Our society pays people well. If it didnt, we wouldnt be so successful.
You pay people for the job they do. The amount of work they do. The skill it takes..
By "shit wages", do you mean minimum wage? Like flipping burgers? Working at a tanning salon?

 

[Confounding]

Our society pays people well. If it didnt, we wouldnt be so successful.

Compared to third world countries maybe. We can and should strive to do better.

You pay people for the job they do. The amount of work they do. The skill it takes..
By "shit wages", do you mean minimum wage? Like flipping burgers? Working at a tanning salon?

Our society wouldn't fall apart if we paid the lowest among us enough to not need to also be on food stamps and other forms of welfare. If the wage of a burger flipper goes up so will the wage of everybody else. That's how it works in capitalism; wages are competitive. Honestly universal healthcare would go a long way towards improving the overall situation in this country.

I should add that all of this is dependent on not letting the third world invade our small bubble of prosperity. If we open the doors and let Mexicans and South Americans flood in by the millions all of this falls apart.

 

[Flash]

Just one more PHONY liberal talking out his ass. I wonder what he got paid for that phony speech, $300k? Sure I'll give a speech on wealth inequality, if you pay me $300k.

He deserves it. He had the hardest job in the world for eight years. He earned the respect of people all over the world for his attempts at nuclear disarmament and supporting economic efforts to bring the world's poor into the 21st century.
You want to take on the job of the Presidency for eight years? Never a single minute actually "off," with the weight of the world on your shoulders? No wonder he disappeared on a three month vacation as soon as he was done.
$300K is diddly squat. You can bet Trump will ask for $750K when he's out of office.

That really isn't the point. He is chastising people for doing what he is doing.

Do you really think his speech meant that people who work hard shouldn't have a nice home in a good neighborhood? That is not the take away I got from it.

Tthe take away is that Obama thinks he is entitled to live in a $8 million mansion but you and I should have our moeny taken away and given to somebody else. That is the real take away.

Liberals are usually selfish assholes when it comes to their own money but they want to redistribute your money.

Just think, 20 or more Illegal families could live in his home. Maybe 20 Muslim refugee families that he was hell bent on bringing into the US and putting on taxpayer welfare.

 

[Flash]

Our society pays people well. If it didnt, we wouldnt be so successful.

Compared to third world countries maybe. We can and should strive to do better.

You pay people for the job they do. The amount of work they do. The skill it takes..
By "shit wages", do you mean minimum wage? Like flipping burgers? Working at a tanning salon?

Our society wouldn't fall apart if we paid people enough to not need to also be on food stamps and other forms of welfare. If the wage of a burger flipper goes up so will the wage of everybody else. That's how it works in capitalism; wages are competitive. Honestly universal healthcare would go a long way towards improving the overall situation in this country.

I should add that to me all of this is dependent on not letting the third world invade our small bubble of prosperity. If we open the doors and let Mexicans and South Americans flood in by the millions all of this falls apart.

It would fall apart just with the tens of millions of filthy welfare queens we already have here.

Universal health care would go a long way towards bankrupting our economy and destroying health care in this country. An economy is not more prosperous when you take money from the people that earn it and give it to those that didn't earn it.

 

[Pogo]

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Translation: Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Poster please. Rump has never had a real job in his life. His only "work in the private sector" has been flings with porn stars and models who "remind him of his daughter".

 

[Confounding]

It would fall apart just with the tens of millions of filthy welfare queens we already have here.

There aren't as many unemployed welfare queens as you think. A lot of welfare recipients have a job. If the companies that employed them would pay them more they wouldn't be such a burden on our taxes. It'd also be better for our economy as a whole. When poor people get money they spend it; it goes back into the economy.

Universal health care would go a long way towards bankrupting our economy and destroying health care in this country. An economy is not more prosperous when you take money from the people that earn it and give it to those that didn't earn it.

Universal healthcare would actually be cheaper because people would more often go to the doctor to get preventative care rather than waiting until it's an emergency. Also with insurance companies out of the picture healthcare prices would plummet. You wouldn't be paying 70 dollars for a Tylenol at the hospital.

 

[Mike473]

I applaud Obama and family for having a multimillion dollar home. No one told him he shouldn’t have one nor has anyone told him that at a certain point, he’s made too much money. No politician put in policies to limit his economic opportunity. What baffles me is why any President or politician would push or call for such policies.

If it’s good enough for him and his family, then it is good enough for any and every other American.

I have no issue with it. I take what Obama, DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Al Gore and other American greats say seriously. They have advised me to drive a small car, live in a small house, send my kids to public schools and not use my air conditioning. I do it all gladly. Does it bother me that they don't personally do those things? Of course not. They are American heroes deserving of those things. I like to think my conservation allows them to use and have a little bit more and live in comfort for their service.

 

[Flash]

It would fall apart just with the tens of millions of filthy welfare queens we already have here.

There aren't as many unemployed welfare queens as you think. A lot of welfare recipients have a job. If the companies that employed them would pay them more they wouldn't be such a burden on our taxes. It'd also be better for our economy as a whole. When poor people get money they spend it; it goes back into the economy.

Universal health care would go a long way towards bankrupting our economy and destroying health care in this country. An economy is not more prosperous when you take money from the people that earn it and give it to those that didn't earn it.

Universal healthcare would actually be cheaper because people would more often go to the doctor to get preventative care rather than waiting until it's an emergency. Also with insurance companies out of the picture healthcare prices would plummet. You wouldn't be paying 70 dollars for a Tylenol at the hospital.

Ask California about single payer.health insurance. The cost is more than their annual state budget. Imagine that horseshit on a national basis.

California’s Single-Payer Health Care Plan Would Cost More Than the State’s Whole Budget


California’s Single-Payer Health Care Plan Would Cost More Than the State’s Whole Budget
Like in Colorado, New York, and Vermont, California is learning that a single-payer plan would be prohibitively expensive

It is the wrong thing to do to have the fucking government manage health care. They are terrible at everything they do and health care would be a nightmare. They can't even run an efficient VA health service. Bad idea. We should have all got a taste of that with the disastrous Obamacare that increased premiums, deductibles and co payment for every paying customer just to get subsidizes for the welfare assholes.

It is not my responsibility to pay the heath care bills for somebody else. It is their responsibility.

The reason why we have so many working poor in this country is the enormous cost of government. The combined cost of Federal, State and Local government is almost 40% of the GDP and that is the reason why Americans don't have more money in their pockets. It is a tremendous drag on the economy, not only taking money out of the pockets of Americans but also curtailing productive economic growth. The direct and indirect cost of government is usually the largest single budget item for any Americans family regardless of income. Even if that family isn't paying into the trillion dollars a year income tax.

The Obamas are assholes demanding more redistribution of wealth when they live like wealthy people.

They need to let 20 Illegal families move into their mansion if they want to practice what they preach, don't you think so?

 

[toobfreak]

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Too bad we can't send an electric shock through the internet everytime some f---king jackass cretin lies through his teeth. Trump's dad loaned him a million dollars on a bet he could make a profit developing in Manhattan, a place his dad absolutely did not touch. Trump made a profit, paid his father back then went on to make the other 99.99% of his life's wealth from there from his own money. All his dad did was open the door for him to get started.

Percentage of money Obama made punching a time-clock, balancing a budget or meeting a deadline: ZERO. And that is after Obama had a HUNDRED doors opened for him!

 

[Confounding]

It would fall apart just with the tens of millions of filthy welfare queens we already have here.

There aren't as many unemployed welfare queens as you think. A lot of welfare recipients have a job. If the companies that employed them would pay them more they wouldn't be such a burden on our taxes. It'd also be better for our economy as a whole. When poor people get money they spend it; it goes back into the economy.

Universal health care would go a long way towards bankrupting our economy and destroying health care in this country. An economy is not more prosperous when you take money from the people that earn it and give it to those that didn't earn it.

Universal healthcare would actually be cheaper because people would more often go to the doctor to get preventative care rather than waiting until it's an emergency. Also with insurance companies out of the picture healthcare prices would plummet. You wouldn't be paying 70 dollars for a Tylenol at the hospital.

Ask California about single payer.health insurance. The cost is more than their annual state budget. Imagine that horseshit on a national basis.

California’s Single-Payer Health Care Plan Would Cost More Than the State’s Whole Budget


California’s Single-Payer Health Care Plan Would Cost More Than the State’s Whole Budget
Like in Colorado, New York, and Vermont, California is learning that a single-payer plan would be prohibitively expensive

It is the wrong thing to do to have the fucking government manage health care. They are terrible at everything they do and health care would be a nightmare. They can't even run an efficient VA health service. Bad idea. We should have all got a taste of that with the disastrous Obamacare that increased premiums, deductibles and co payment for every paying customer just to get subsidizes for the welfare assholes.

It is not my responsibility to pay the heath care bills for somebody else. It is their responsibility.

The reason why we have so many working poor in this country is the enormous cost of government. The combined cost of Federal, State and Local government is almost 40% of the GDP and that is the reason why Americans don't have more money in their pockets. It is a tremendous drag on the economy, not only taking money out of the pockets of Americans but also curtailing productive economic growth. The direct and indirect cost of government is usually the largest single budget item for any Americans family regardless of income. Even if that family isn't paying into the trillion dollars a year income tax.

The Obamas are assholes demanding more redistribution of wealth when they live like wealthy people.

They need to let 20 Illegal families move into their mansion if they want to practice what they preach, don't you think so?

Pretty much the entirety of western Europe operates on universal healthcare and they are quite satisfied with it. Every system has its bumps, but overall it does very well. According to the World Health Organization their healthcare is better than ours overall. It's only better in the United States if you're a multi-millionaire, which most of us aren't. I simply don't believe that it's impossible to implement something similar here, despite what reason.com says.

 

[Pogo]

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Translation: Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Poster please. Rump has never had a real job in his life. His only "work in the private sector" has been flings with porn stars and models who "remind him of his daughter".

I would say this one is a troll, but unfortunately, there are people this stupid and this damn devoted to that criminal and worship at the alter of trump.

I know, right? Look how he revised Rump's inheritance down to "a million dollars and a bet". Even Rump doesn't agree with that.

You can't be a Rumpbot without a heapin' helpin' of self-delusion.

 

[Kittymom1026]

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Translation: Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Poster please. Rump has never had a real job in his life. His only "work in the private sector" has been flings with porn stars and models who "remind him of his daughter".

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Translation: Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Poster please. Rump has never had a real job in his life. His only "work in the private sector" has been flings with porn stars and models who "remind him of his daughter".

I would say this one is a troll, but unfortunately, there are people this stupid and this damn devoted to that criminal and worship at the alter of trump.

 

[Kittymom1026]

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Translation: Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Poster please. Rump has never had a real job in his life. His only "work in the private sector" has been flings with porn stars and models who "remind him of his daughter".

I would say this one is a troll, but unfortunately, there are people this stupid and this damn devoted to that criminal and worship at the alter of trump.

I know, right? Look how he revised Rump's inheritance down to "a million dollars and a bet". Even Rump doesn't agree with that.

You can't be a Rumpbot without a heapin' helpin' of self-delusion.

I had to delete the first reply to you because it didn't quote the way I wanted, but it still isn't. I'm still learning about this site and get different results everytime I try to quote someone.

 

[toobfreak]

DAMN RIGHT. And Trump earned every single last cent paying for it himself working in the private sector.

Translation: Rump "earned every single last cent" by standing still while his father handed him umpteen million dollars that he scammed off the FHA.

Poster please. Rump has never had a real job in his life. His only "work in the private sector" has been flings with porn stars and models who "remind him of his daughter".

I would say this one is a troll, but unfortunately, there are people this stupid and this damn devoted to that criminal and worship at the alter of trump.

I know, right? Look how he revised Rump's inheritance down to "a million dollars and a bet". Even Rump doesn't agree with that.

You can't be a Rumpbot without a heapin' helpin' of self-delusion.

Where did I ever mention his inheritance? We never even spoke of that. Another Leftie with class envy because all his father ever left him was a broken down 1949 Edsel.

 

[dave p]

Just one more PHONY liberal talking out his ass. I wonder what he got paid for that phony speech, $300k? Sure I'll give a speech on wealth inequality, if you pay me $300k.

He deserves it. He had the hardest job in the world for eight years. He earned the respect of people all over the world for his attempts at nuclear disarmament and supporting economic efforts to bring the world's poor into the 21st century.
You want to take on the job of the Presidency for eight years? Never a single minute actually "off," with the weight of the world on your shoulders? No wonder he disappeared on a three month vacation as soon as he was done.
$300K is diddly squat. You can bet Trump will ask for $750K when he's out of office.

I doubt Trump will take anything and he's working now for no salary.

He's a billionaire he doesn't need our tax dollars.

Oh, don't worry. He'll take it alright. Just like Trump University and his casinos and his private resorts.
He'll take it.
And while we're all criticizing OBAMA for having a nice house in the Kalorama district of D.C. so his daughter can finish high school there.....
does ANYONE remember what kind of indecently wealth flaunting homes Trump owns?
Makes the Obama home look like a trailer.

No. I doubt he will take any tax dollars. He doesn't need it. He's got plenty of money.

Speaking engagements aren't paid by tax payers. What are you talking about?

I don't see where anyone said they were.

 

[dave p]

Just one more PHONY liberal talking out his ass. I wonder what he got paid for that phony speech, $300k? Sure I'll give a speech on wealth inequality, if you pay me $300k.

He deserves it. He had the hardest job in the world for eight years. He earned the respect of people all over the world for his attempts at nuclear disarmament and supporting economic efforts to bring the world's poor into the 21st century.
You want to take on the job of the Presidency for eight years? Never a single minute actually "off," with the weight of the world on your shoulders? No wonder he disappeared on a three month vacation as soon as he was done.
$300K is diddly squat. You can bet Trump will ask for $750K when he's out of office.

That really isn't the point. He is chastising people for doing what he is doing.

Do you really think his speech meant that people who work hard shouldn't have a nice home in a good neighborhood? That is not the take away I got from it.

He chided people for excess and talked about how bad vast wealth difference is but also confirmed the $20 mil he made. If he is that concerned about the wealth difference, he should give his away at the same time he talks poorly of those that enjoy the spoils of wealth as he does.

I think he might have been making a point about how you spend that money and what you do to try and benefit the people who have nothing. He isn't wrong, you know. I don't see his home as being "excessive."

Really? Nine bedrooms for 4 people isn't excessive? How big is yours? How much is yours worth? His house is exactly what he was chiding people for. He doesn't live what he preaches. He always has been, is to this day and always will be a hypocrite.