Why did Bush lie about Saddam being connected to 9/11?

[Theowl32]

The war was Unconstitutional.

How do you figure that?

Well, I did immediately follow the statement with the answer to your question, which you cut.

But enough about your feelings.
How about some proof it was unconstitutional?

What do my feelings have to do with anything?

Here you go:

US Constitution: Article I. Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

That is the authorized power. There is no other authorized power for the military. None.

Do you understand the phrase "enumerated powers" and how that applies to the Constitution?

You don't think an argument could be made that making sure a region that contains a vast percentage of the oil that is vital to this nation's security is relatively stable is vital to US security?

As I pointed out, Europe and Japan are far more dependent on middle east oil. We actually get most of our oil from the Western Hemisphere, and we tie our own hands there. Fracking is projected to turn us into a net exporter in not even that far down the road, and that doesn't even include Alaska and offshore sources. Those are far better for us to pursue than propping up bad governments.

Fracking?

You see liberals response to that?

 

[Theowl32]

lol

got your ass handed to you in the other thread so you start a new thread in the hopes people won't see your ass kicking

troll

btw.....YOU started the thread, it is up to YOU to provide links. you did not, because you are a liar.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship washingtonpost.com

CNN.com - Bush stands by al Qaeda Saddam link - Jun 15 2004



Do people that post on this forum know how to use "Google"? Seems like everyone knows how to use it except Republicans. Why? They really aren't that smart? They are in denial? What is the reason?

Let us know when Bush is charged with war crimes.

 

[kaz]

The war was Unconstitutional. The only authority for war is defense of the United States. Most of our wars now are Unconstitutional.

Now if you're referring to the international community, that I am with you and don't give a crap about them

The war was Unconstitutional.

How do you figure that?

Well, I did immediately follow the statement with the answer to your question, which you cut.

But enough about your feelings.
How about some proof it was unconstitutional?

What do my feelings have to do with anything?

Here you go:

US Constitution: Article I. Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

That is the authorized power. There is no other authorized power for the military. None.

Do you understand the phrase "enumerated powers" and how that applies to the Constitution?

What do my feelings have to do with anything?

Nothing. That's why your original claim was so unconvincing.

Um...still no idea what you are talking about. Why would the discussion bother you? What's disturbing about it?

There is no other authorized power for the military. None.

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

The war of 1812 was clearly Constitutional, Britan was conscripting US citizens into their navy. I don't see what that has to do with fighting in the middle east over oil. Clearly without oil we would not be there. Then it just becomes an endless reason to fight more and more. We need to get out of that hell hole.

And propping up all those despotic governments to do it is wrong. When we have to do that, a critical mind would start to question the morality of what we are doing when we have to prop up governments that oppress their people and while preaching our destruction in their schools to their children.

 

[kaz]

Well, I did immediately follow the statement with the answer to your question, which you cut.

But enough about your feelings.
How about some proof it was unconstitutional?

What do my feelings have to do with anything?

Here you go:

US Constitution: Article I. Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

That is the authorized power. There is no other authorized power for the military. None.

Do you understand the phrase "enumerated powers" and how that applies to the Constitution?

You don't think an argument could be made that making sure a region that contains a vast percentage of the oil that is vital to this nation's security is relatively stable is vital to US security?

As I pointed out, Europe and Japan are far more dependent on middle east oil. We actually get most of our oil from the Western Hemisphere, and we tie our own hands there. Fracking is projected to turn us into a net exporter in not even that far down the road, and that doesn't even include Alaska and offshore sources. Those are far better for us to pursue than propping up bad governments.

Fracking?

You see liberals response to that?

LOL, that's funny. Clearly I'm not aligned with the liberals. I oppose our military being in the middle east. They are an endless chain of shifting alliances, changing sides and rewriting history. At least Republicans pick a position and stick by it. Now if you could just pick the right position and do that...

But the liberals have no integrity. They aren't on my side. I want to solve the problem and get out, and the solution to that problem is more energy at home. There's plenty, we don't need the middle east.

Drill baby drill, build nuclear power plants, stop wasting money subsidizing wind and solar that are just financial sink holes. Then we don't need their oil, let the Euros deal with their own issues. Then sit back and laugh as they flail and fail.

 

[kaz]

lol

got your ass handed to you in the other thread so you start a new thread in the hopes people won't see your ass kicking

troll

btw.....YOU started the thread, it is up to YOU to provide links. you did not, because you are a liar.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship washingtonpost.com

CNN.com - Bush stands by al Qaeda Saddam link - Jun 15 2004



Do people that post on this forum know how to use "Google"? Seems like everyone knows how to use it except Republicans. Why? They really aren't that smart? They are in denial? What is the reason?

In typical rdean style, a day late and a dollar short.

No one is disputing that W said Hussein had assisted al Qaeda, simpleton. What you presented doesn't support the thread title just as the dickless Lakhota can't. That says W said Iraq was behind 9/11. It must suck arriving when the parade's over and you still can't figure out what even happened. Then again, it's your life, you're probably used to it by now.

 

[kaz]

We know for a fact that Saddam had no WMDs.

LOL, that he used them repeatedly isn't proof to you? What a tool

We know for a fact that Saddam posed no threat to his people and neighbors.

Really? The Hussein who invaded Iran and Kuwait and funded terrorism in Palestine wasn't a threat to his neighbors?

And we know for a fact that Saddam was in no way involved in 9/11.

We have no evidence of that, but we know it for a fact? Now that's just Jonestown of you. Here's the thing, Simpleton, no one is claiming he did, the thread is a lie. I keep challenging Lakhota's manhood and telling him to back up his lie, and he keeps running and hiding like the little vagina that he is.

Given these facts, the only reasonable conclusion is that the illegal, unwarranted invasion of Iraq in March of 2003 was undoubtedly motivated by a desire to expand American power and influence in a volatile, oil-rich part of the world.

The nice thing about having integrity is I can oppose the Iraq war then and now for the same reason. I don't have to lie that I was lied to. Stockpiles were irrelevant then, and they are irrelevant now. If WMDs were the reason you supported it then, you should support it now. He used them, ergo he had the technology to make them, ergo he was a threat at all times. Stockpiles are useless, you don't need stockpiles to use them.

It was bad policy, we go in for oil, then in the name of stabalizing the region we prop up despotic governments who preach our destruction, then we get attacked in one place and another, then we end up in endless wars and as the target of endless terrorists.

You're a hypocrite and a liar, just like camp and Lakhota and the rest of your party who are lying that they were lied to.

 

[Lakhota]

Bush lied - thousands died.

The Lie That Got Us In: The Bush Administration Knew There Were No WMDs in Iraq

 

[pvsi]

lol

got your ass handed to you in the other thread so you start a new thread in the hopes people won't see your ass kicking

troll

btw.....YOU started the thread, it is up to YOU to provide links. you did not, because you are a liar.

I really don't mind being called a liar by someone who is too dumb to know such a basic fact.

[ame=[MEDIA=youtube]YPJCPcYCupY[/MEDIA] LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld - THE ULTIMATE CLIP (Edited) - YouTube[/ame]

WOW good link.

 

[kaz]

Bush lied - thousands died.

The Lie That Got Us In The Bush Administration Knew There Were No WMDs in Iraq Antiwar.com Blog

That isn't what your thread title says. You changed the "lie" now. What about stopping running pussy and address that your thread is a lie. Admit you lied or back it up. Obviously W never said that, which is why you can't. But at least pretend that you have a pair.

 

[kaz]

lol

got your ass handed to you in the other thread so you start a new thread in the hopes people won't see your ass kicking

troll

btw.....YOU started the thread, it is up to YOU to provide links. you did not, because you are a liar.

I really don't mind being called a liar by someone who is too dumb to know such a basic fact.

[ame=[MEDIA=youtube]YPJCPcYCupY[/MEDIA] LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld - THE ULTIMATE CLIP (Edited) - YouTube[/ame]

WOW good link.

Stockpiles are irrelevant. It's the ability to make WMDs. If you supported the war for WMDs, you need to man up to it now and say it was the right decision to invade and stop playing political games for your party over your country. If WMDs are the reason, then that reason was valid.

 

[Lakhota]

The evidence is clear - Bush lied.

 

[pvsi]

Stockpiles are irrelevant. It's the ability to make WMDs. If you supported the war for WMDs, you need to man up to it now and say it was the right decision to invade and stop playing political games for your party over your country. If WMDs are the reason, then that reason was valid.

I will keep it simple for you. 1. Bush promised no nation building in 2000 during debates with Al Gore. 2. Under Bush, a billion dollar green zone has been built in Baghdad so that the US "officials" could make unannounced visits to this green zone in a nation they "liberated" and built. if you need a link for either of the two statements, it is not worth my time to argue with you. YouTube George Bush you forgot, and google Baghdad green zone.

 

[Slyhunter]

I consider this to be Bush's biggest lie about Iraq and Saddam.

Rightwingers like to distract from the event that Bush tried to link Saddam to - 9/11. Even the dumbest of rightwingers should now be convinced that Saddam HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. However, if any of them still think so - please provide credible proof.

I heard and saw Bush live on TV when he first tried to make this link. If there are any doubters - just Google "bush links saddam to 9/11"...

First we need credible proof that Bush specifically "linked" Saddam Hussein to 9-11. About 35% of democrats in congress approved the mission in Iraq and then undermined the Military effort. The word "treason" comes to mind.

Dumb ass, Bush said "what 9/11 has taught us is we can't wait for them to attack us first" which was a reason for attacking Iraq, because we didn't want another 9/11 to happen not because we thought they were responsible for it.

 

[Slyhunter]

"Why did Bush lie about Saddam being connected to 9/11?"

Because telling the truth wouldn't have garnered support for his illegal war.

That's exactly right. There is plenty of evidence that Bush planned to invade Iraq well before 9/11. The Downing Street Memo clearly speaks to that.

The Downing Street Memo

There's the same proof that we plan to invade Russia.
Have you seen any of our tanks in Russia lately?
That's what the Pentagon does run possible military situations in case they are needed some day.

 

[healthmyths]

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs"Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

Hmmmmm Hilary thought Saddam aided al Qaeda...
As did the above if you want to use Google and find this web site:
Reasons for War Things you might have forgotten about Iraq.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

The evidence is clear - Bush lied.

That video STILL doesn't show Bush claiming Iraq was behind 9/11.

 

[Slyhunter]

"Why did Bush lie about Saddam being connected to 9/11?"

Because telling the truth wouldn't have garnered support for his illegal war.

That's exactly right. There is plenty of evidence that Bush planned to invade Iraq well before 9/11. The Downing Street Memo clearly speaks to that.

The Downing Street Memo

We know for a fact that Saddam had no WMDs.

We know for a fact that Saddam posed no threat to his people and neighbors.

And we know for a fact that Saddam was in no way involved in 9/11.

Given these facts, the only reasonable conclusion is that the illegal, unwarranted invasion of Iraq in March of 2003 was undoubtedly motivated by a desire to expand American power and influence in a volatile, oil-rich part of the world.

How can it be a reasonable conclusion when that is not what has happened. Our influence in Iraqi's oil exports has not grown.

 

[deltex1]

I consider this to be Bush's biggest lie about Iraq and Saddam.

Rightwingers like to distract from the event that Bush tried to link Saddam to - 9/11. Even the dumbest of rightwingers should now be convinced that Saddam HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. However, if any of them still think so - please provide credible proof.

I heard and saw Bush live on TV when he first tried to make this link. If there are any doubters - just Google "bush links saddam to 9/11"...

What radical Islamist piece of shit faggot dictator was not "linked to 9/11". The only error Bush made was leaving some of them alive.

 

[Lakhota]

The evidence is clear - Bush lied.

That video STILL doesn't show Bush claiming Iraq was behind 9/11.

LyingDumbassBear, did I claim that Bush said "Iraq was behind 9/11"? Answer: No, I didn't - nor does my OP say that. Bush linked Saddam to 9/11 - as the video proves.

 

[Slyhunter]

The evidence is clear - Bush lied.

That video STILL doesn't show Bush claiming Iraq was behind 9/11.

LyingDumbassBear, did I claim that Bush said "Iraq was behind 9/11"? Answer: No, I didn't - nor does my OP say that. Bush linked Saddam to 9/11 - as the video proves.

Truth Shadam was linked to Al Qaeda.
Truth Al Qaeda was linked to 9/11.
Therefore Truth Shadam was linked to 9/11.
Where is the fucking problem?