Why Did The South Secede?

[Sallow]

Apparently today it's PoliticalChic's turn to make Econchick look smart by comparison. I hope EC's turn is equally entertaining.

They are both hangin' with Albert Einstein's ghost letting him know where he went wrong on the "Theory" of relativity.

Like anyone should take a theory, seriously..duh.

Did you notice she's picked up the Econchick affliction of making outrageous claims about herself?

She's a superspy macro-economist!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's be clear about what the Confederacy was about:

Jefferson Davis on slavery:

"African slavery, as it exists in the United States, is a moral, a social, and a political blessing."
~Davis
"My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be."
~Davis
Jefferson Davis Quotes the Bible
"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts."
~Davis
"It [slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts...Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God - let him go to the Bible...I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation...Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized, sanctioned everywhere.".
~Davis

Jefferson Davis Quotes

Did you come up with that name of the guy who was just about to outlaw slavery, Chief?


No?

OK....keep tap-dancing.

 

[Unkotare]

As you Liberals are limited in education, you may not know of the American philosopher George Santayana, who wrote (in The Life of Reason, 1905): “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Another good quote is "history is written by the victors." So if Confederates wanted to be remembered as anything other than a bunch of dirty slaver yokels, well, it seems to me they should have fought a little better

The South fought remarkably well. Their defeat was inevitable.

 

[Unkotare]

Oblama has not a damn thing to do with the reasons for the Civil war...

Just another example of democrats fucking up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently today it's PoliticalChic's turn to make Econchick look smart by comparison. I hope EC's turn is equally entertaining.

They are both hangin' with Albert Einstein's ghost letting him know where he went wrong on the "Theory" of relativity.

Like anyone should take a theory, seriously..duh.

Only educated folks.

Kinda leaves you out, huh.

 

[edthecynic]

I see you can't even discuss history without infusing your contempt for the current president, which is most disingenuous to your premise...

"...you can't even discuss history without....blah blah blah..."

What an excellent time for a teachable moment.

As you Liberals are limited in education, you may not know of the American philosopher George Santayana, who wrote (in The Life of Reason, 1905): “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”


So we have you, and (most merciful) Barack Obama who failed to understand the provenance of the Civil War.....and cause woe as a result.




To put it another way.....why do you suppose those of us with an education study the past at all???

Well obviously to lie about the past, since your "education" is obviously very limited.

Another quote from Santayana that the better educated are aware of:
"History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there."

And a better quote from the author you love most to lie about.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
George Bernard Shaw

 

[Unkotare]

Well obviously to lie about the past, since your "education" is obviously very limited.

She seems much better educated than you, so what are you trying to admit?

 

[Sallow]

Apparently today it's PoliticalChic's turn to make Econchick look smart by comparison. I hope EC's turn is equally entertaining.

They are both hangin' with Albert Einstein's ghost letting him know where he went wrong on the "Theory" of relativity.

Like anyone should take a theory, seriously..duh.

Only educated folks.

Kinda leaves you out, huh.

You do know when you cut and paste other people's lies that's lying too?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I see you can't even discuss history without infusing your contempt for the current president, which is most disingenuous to your premise...

"...you can't even discuss history without....blah blah blah..."

What an excellent time for a teachable moment.

As you Liberals are limited in education, you may not know of the American philosopher George Santayana, who wrote (in The Life of Reason, 1905): “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”


So we have you, and (most merciful) Barack Obama who failed to understand the provenance of the Civil War.....and cause woe as a result.




To put it another way.....why do you suppose those of us with an education study the past at all???

Well obviously to lie about the past, since your "education" is obviously very limited.

Another quote from Santayana that the better educated are aware of:
"History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there."

And a better quote from the author you love most to lie about.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
George Bernard Shaw

Y'know what I love about the dunces who are so infuriated about my incontestable OPs.....

....they pour out all sorts of vituperation about me....

....not realizing that I am my favorite subject!





Hey...still sporting a quote from the socialist who supported genocide....great!

 

[Sallow]

I see you can't even discuss history without infusing your contempt for the current president, which is most disingenuous to your premise...

"...you can't even discuss history without....blah blah blah..."

What an excellent time for a teachable moment.

As you Liberals are limited in education, you may not know of the American philosopher George Santayana, who wrote (in The Life of Reason, 1905): “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”


So we have you, and (most merciful) Barack Obama who failed to understand the provenance of the Civil War.....and cause woe as a result.




To put it another way.....why do you suppose those of us with an education study the past at all???

Well obviously to lie about the past, since your "education" is obviously very limited.

Another quote from Santayana that the better educated are aware of:
"History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there."

And a better quote from the author you love most to lie about.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
George Bernard Shaw

Y'know what I love about the dunces who are so infuriated about my incontestable OPs.....

....they pour out all sorts of vituperation about me....

....not realizing that I am my favorite subject!





Hey...still sporting a quote from the socialist who supported genocide....great!

You're one to post..

You are supporting slavery and genocide in one thread!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently today it's PoliticalChic's turn to make Econchick look smart by comparison. I hope EC's turn is equally entertaining.

They are both hangin' with Albert Einstein's ghost letting him know where he went wrong on the "Theory" of relativity.

Like anyone should take a theory, seriously..duh.

Only educated folks.

Kinda leaves you out, huh.

You do know when you cut and paste other people's lies that's lying too?

What???

You haven't received enough of a beating?

OOOOOOOK....


So...resolved: slavery was not the precipitation for secession.

Rather, it was the widespread belief in the South that Britain would have to recognize, and support them, because of how heavily British industry was invested in cotton.



And this is one of those mistakes that often propel human events....somewhat like the election of Barack Obama.



8. So....it turned out Britain was not as concerned about the impact on the cotton trade as the South thought!

a. Lord Palmerston: Britain would refuse to recognize Southern sovereignty.

b. London Times: "....Southern rights are now more clearly understood, and in any case since war, though greatly to be regretted, was now at hand, it was England's business to keep strictly out of it and to maintain neutrality."
May 9, 1861



c. On May 14th, Queen Victoria issued Britain's "Proclamation of Neutrality." The proclamation was avidly reported in the American press, with Harper's Weekly summarizing it in its edition of June 8.

"THE proclamation of the Queen has been issued by the Privy Council at Whitehall, warning all British subjects from interfering, at their peril, with either party in the American conflict, or giving aid and comfort in any way, by personal service and supplying munitions of war, to either party. The proclamation announces it as the intention of the British Government to preserve the strictest neutrality in the contest between the Government of the United States and the Government of those States calling themselves the Confederate States of America."
Civil War News



Remember the Senator from South Carolina..."....we could bring the whole world to our feet."
Rings like “this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..."
Two dopes.




9. Harper's was pro-union, and didn't let England's refusal to endorse the Confederacy go unnoticed; they really rubbed it in.
" The whole rebellion has rested upon two points : first, that the North was cowardly and divided, and then that England, which must have cotton, would open the Southern ports.

But the traitors forgot how much the one depended upon the other. If England had seen the Slave States united in the movement, and the Free States hesitating and divided, she would doubtless have taken some more decided action. But she has seen just in time, in the Free States, an enthusiastic unanimity unparalleled in history—all the vast resources of a great, intelligent, skillful, industrious, and wealthy people, she has seen heaped and lavished in the measures of defense against this conspiracy. "
Harper's Weekly, June 8, 1861



Get that: "... rebellion has rested upon two points..."

Slavery was not one of 'em!

Just one more proof of my premise!


So, it was not slavery, but a misjudgment about their power to intimidate Britain, pushed the South down a path that it would, eventually, regret.

Kinda like the last presidential election......

 

[NYcarbineer]

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So...resolved: slavery was not the precipitation for secession.
......

That's been proven false. Your point, such as it was, about Great Britain may or may not have merit, but it is totally unconnected to the REASON for secession.

 

[Statistikhengst]

PC, once again, demonstrates her lack of understanding of American history.

Its not that she doesn't understand, but that she prefers to make up her own version

Do you realize how dumb you appear when I have Lincoln's words to back up my premise???

Do you?

Lincoln was trying to do anything he could to hold the Union together, even including saying assuaging words at his inaugural, which maybe 100 people heard.....

Just like when Pres. Bush Jr. called Islam a "religion of peace" and everyone who knew him even slightly knew he didn't mean it.

But please, PoliticalStick, keep

 

[Statistikhengst]

I've yet to see proof of anything more than weak scholarship evidenced by awkward conclusions based on out of context quotes. Your jello will not nail to the wall.

Gets my vote for the best retort of 2014, hands-down!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

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So...resolved: slavery was not the precipitation for secession.
......

That's been proven false. Your point, such as it was, about Great Britain may or may not have merit, but it is totally unconnected to the REASON for secession.

So.....were you able to come up with the name of whoever was gonna' outlaw slavery?

No?

You keep lookin,' Chief.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC, once again, demonstrates her lack of understanding of American history.

Its not that she doesn't understand, but that she prefers to make up her own version

Do you realize how dumb you appear when I have Lincoln's words to back up my premise???

Do you?

Lincoln was trying to do anything he could to hold the Union together, even including saying assuaging words at his inaugural, which maybe 100 people heard.....

Just like when Pres. Bush Jr. called Islam a "religion of peace" and everyone who knew him even slightly knew he didn't mean it.

But please, PoliticalStick, keep

Either you're a liar or Lincoln was.....

I know who I choose.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I just proved who BELIEVED slavery was threatened, and made that the basis for secession. Go argue with the Ghosts of Mississippi if you'd like.

You've been proven wrong. Do you want me to run up the score?

You didn't prove jack-shit, PoliticalSchtick. You tried to make an argument based on a few quotes.

Now, go scamper off and play crayola with the other Tea Party kids.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I think I see rabbit hole coming up. And, oh, look, PC is heading right for it!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I just proved who BELIEVED slavery was threatened, and made that the basis for secession. Go argue with the Ghosts of Mississippi if you'd like.

You've been proven wrong. Do you want me to run up the score?

You didn't prove jack-shit, PoliticalSchtick. You tried to make an argument based on a few quotes.

Now, go scamper off and play crayola with the other Tea Party kids.

As soon as you know you're lying, your language becomes vulgar.

That sound....me laughing at you.

 

[Moonglow]

PC's blathering reveals she has little clue to anything outside of her extremely limited view of reality.

they would have loved little miss Saigon in the south during the civil war

Sheeet! They wouldna let her in or live in the area..back then they was either hung or run outta town...

Exactly the response one would expect from a low-life when I prove to be correct.

A low life, I worked myself up from nothing to a state of extreme poverty...Do you suppose I could buy back my introduction to you?