Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID?

[bravoactual]

Why do Republicans HATE FOR WOMEN, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, ELDERY AND STUDENT VOTING?

 

[ogibillm]

How's that Arizon ballot stuffing allegation treating you, Vigilante?

 

[paulitician]

Why do Republicans HATE FOR WOMEN, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, ELDERY AND STUDENT VOTING?

Huh Whaaa?? I'm guessing you're either an Illegal or a Felon. I'm leaning towards both. You guys do make up a big part of the Democratic Base. So how many times you planning on voting on Election Day?

 

[Siete]

How's that Arizon ballot stuffing allegation treating you, Vigilante?

It's giving him ample opportunity to throw personal insults at the people that make him look like the fool he really is. Observe his reply to you. That's all he has. That's all he ever has. That's all idiots like him ever have.

 

[boedicca]

Information on an academic study which shows that illegal voting by non-citizens does indeed swing elections....and enabled ObamaCare among other legislative and executive branch atrocities.

...
I’ve got access to the article, “Do Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. Elections?”, by Jesse T. Richman and Gulshan A. Chattha of Old Dominion University and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.
The conclusion of the abstract alone ought to set off alarm bells:

We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

Using data from the Cooperate Congressional Election Study, which sampled 32,000 voters in 2008 and over 50,000 voters in 2010, the authors conclude that as many as 14 percent of non-citizens—potentially as high as 2.8 million—are registered to vote. The authors conclude that a mid-point estimate of 1.2 million non-citizens cast votes in 2008:

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

The authors think that non-citizen votes not only tipped the 2008 Minnesota senate race to Al Franken, but also tipped North Carolina’s presidential vote that year:

[T]he analysis suggests that non-citizens’ votes have changed significant election outcomes including the assignment of North Carolina’s 2008 electoral votes, and the pivotal Minnesota Senate victory of Democrat Al Franken in 2008.

An important caveat is that a voter ID requirement is not necessarily a barrier to non-citizen voting. Many non-citizen voters in this sample had IDs and were able to cast votes. But in some cases an ID requirement did prevent illegal votes:

In 2008 14 respondents indicated that they did not vote because “I did not have the correct form of identification,” and in 2010 29 indicated that they did not vote because of the absence of necessary identification.

Nonetheless, identification requirements blocked ballot access for only a small portion of non-citizens. Of the 27 non-citizens who indicated that they were “asked to show picture identification, such as a driver’s license, at the polling place or election office,” in the 2008 survey, 18 claimed to have subsequently voted, and one more indicated that they were “allowed to vote using a provisional ballot.”

So how do we know these non-citizen votes redounded to the benefit of Democrats and not Republicans? This is easy: if Democrats really think the effect of non-citizen voting makes no partisan difference, then why do they put up such a fuss at every proposal for assuring voter integrity? QED....

How Many Elections Will Democrats Steal Next Week Power Line​

This is an estimation by right wing partisans, not a university study, as implied by the article.

You are a stupid LAIR.

The study was done by Jesse T. Richman and Gulshan A. Chattha of Old Dominion University and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How's that Arizon ballot stuffing allegation treating you, Vigilante?

It's giving him ample opportunity to throw personal insults at the people that make him look like the fool he really is. Observe his reply to you. That's all he has. That's all he ever has. That's all idiots like him ever have.

^^^
Irony so thick you need a chainsaw to cut it.

 

[Siete]

How's that Arizon ballot stuffing allegation treating you, Vigilante?

It's giving him ample opportunity to throw personal insults at the people that make him look like the fool he really is. Observe his reply to you. That's all he has. That's all he ever has. That's all idiots like him ever have.

^^^
Irony so thick you need a chainsaw to cut it.

thick ?

aka your skull.

 

[Darkwind]

"Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID?"

Because there's no objective, documented evidence that voter fraud by identity exists to the extent that the outcome of any election was changed.

Because voters provide identification when they register to vote, where to require voters to 'prove' who they are at every election absent evidence that a given voter is indeed attempting to commit fraud, assumes the voter is 'guilty' and must prove himself innocent. That's not how our legal system works.

And because of the above, voter ID laws manifest an undue burden to the fundamental right to vote, as the state has failed to meet its requirement to justify placing restrictions on that right, rendering voter ID laws invalid and un-Constitutional.

Incorrect as a number of states have had the SCOTUS uphold their voter ID laws.

Again, incorrect. If it were true that you are assumed guilty prior to showing an ID to vote, then it is equally true that you are guilty of welfare fraud, food stamp fraud and a host of other government services. In addition to require businesses to deny sales of alcohol or other age controlled substances before showing ID is also a case of "guilty and having to prove innocence."

There are a number of growing studies that show that non-citizens and illegal aliens have voted in the past few elections. YOU just have to go look for them. Please note that I said YOU WILL, as I won't do it for you. Given the very slim margins that the last few elections have been won by, it is patently absurd to think that a few hundred votes can't swing a Senate or House race.


Here is one fundamental truth that none of the progressives can get around. If EVERYONE is required to show ID, then EVERYONE is being treated equally and that means it causes no essential harm to liberty.

 

[ogibillm]

There are a number of growing studies that show that non-citizens and illegal aliens have voted in the past few elections. YOU just have to go look for them. Please note that I said YOU WILL, as I won't do it for you. Given the very slim margins that the last few elections have been won by, it is patently absurd to think that a few hundred votes can't swing a Senate or House race.

how would voter id have stopped that?

 

[Darkwind]

There are a number of growing studies that show that non-citizens and illegal aliens have voted in the past few elections. YOU just have to go look for them. Please note that I said YOU WILL, as I won't do it for you. Given the very slim margins that the last few elections have been won by, it is patently absurd to think that a few hundred votes can't swing a Senate or House race.

how would voter id have stopped that?

Really?

Think about that and when you can't figure it out, sit down and think about it some more.

 

[boedicca]

La Raza is promoting information for non-citizens to vote at places that do not check ID.

Hopenchange!

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“Voter ID laws are at-issue across the country, with newly Republican-controlled legislatures having passed them in numerous states after the 2010 election,” explained The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake. “Most states still request some form of ID, but don’t require it. Another 20 states don’t require identification. In case you’re wondering where your state is at in all of this, a helpful (sic) graphic from the Post’s graphics team.”

So who ended up using the Post’s helpful graphic? The country’s foremost pro-amnesty Hispanic immigrant organization.


The Chicago chapter of Asian Americans Advancing Justice tweeted Blake’s article with the message, “Reminder — #Illinois does NOT require #voterID to cast a ballot,” along with the pro-Democrat hashtag #TurnOutForWhat. The tweet was helpfully retweeted by the National Council of La Raza.

La Raza Promotes WaPo Guide To Voting Without an ID The Daily Caller

 

[ogibillm]

There are a number of growing studies that show that non-citizens and illegal aliens have voted in the past few elections. YOU just have to go look for them. Please note that I said YOU WILL, as I won't do it for you. Given the very slim margins that the last few elections have been won by, it is patently absurd to think that a few hundred votes can't swing a Senate or House race.

how would voter id have stopped that?

Really?

Think about that and when you can't figure it out, sit down and think about it some more.

nope. i have thought about it. now you tell me how does voter id prevent a person who is on the voter rolls from showing id that says they are who they say they are and voting?

 

[ogibillm]

La Raza is promoting information for non-citizens to vote at places that do not check ID.

Hopenchange!

...
“Voter ID laws are at-issue across the country, with newly Republican-controlled legislatures having passed them in numerous states after the 2010 election,” explained The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake. “Most states still request some form of ID, but don’t require it. Another 20 states don’t require identification. In case you’re wondering where your state is at in all of this, a helpful (sic) graphic from the Post’s graphics team.”

So who ended up using the Post’s helpful graphic? The country’s foremost pro-amnesty Hispanic immigrant organization.


The Chicago chapter of Asian Americans Advancing Justice tweeted Blake’s article with the message, “Reminder — #Illinois does NOT require #voterID to cast a ballot,” along with the pro-Democrat hashtag #TurnOutForWhat. The tweet was helpfully retweeted by the National Council of La Raza.

La Raza Promotes WaPo Guide To Voting Without an ID The Daily Caller

what's wrong with informing people of their rights?

 

[Impenitent]

Information on an academic study which shows that illegal voting by non-citizens does indeed swing elections....and enabled ObamaCare among other legislative and executive branch atrocities.

...
I’ve got access to the article, “Do Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. Elections?”, by Jesse T. Richman and Gulshan A. Chattha of Old Dominion University and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.
The conclusion of the abstract alone ought to set off alarm bells:

We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

Using data from the Cooperate Congressional Election Study, which sampled 32,000 voters in 2008 and over 50,000 voters in 2010, the authors conclude that as many as 14 percent of non-citizens—potentially as high as 2.8 million—are registered to vote. The authors conclude that a mid-point estimate of 1.2 million non-citizens cast votes in 2008:

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

The authors think that non-citizen votes not only tipped the 2008 Minnesota senate race to Al Franken, but also tipped North Carolina’s presidential vote that year:

[T]he analysis suggests that non-citizens’ votes have changed significant election outcomes including the assignment of North Carolina’s 2008 electoral votes, and the pivotal Minnesota Senate victory of Democrat Al Franken in 2008.

An important caveat is that a voter ID requirement is not necessarily a barrier to non-citizen voting. Many non-citizen voters in this sample had IDs and were able to cast votes. But in some cases an ID requirement did prevent illegal votes:

In 2008 14 respondents indicated that they did not vote because “I did not have the correct form of identification,” and in 2010 29 indicated that they did not vote because of the absence of necessary identification.

Nonetheless, identification requirements blocked ballot access for only a small portion of non-citizens. Of the 27 non-citizens who indicated that they were “asked to show picture identification, such as a driver’s license, at the polling place or election office,” in the 2008 survey, 18 claimed to have subsequently voted, and one more indicated that they were “allowed to vote using a provisional ballot.”

So how do we know these non-citizen votes redounded to the benefit of Democrats and not Republicans? This is easy: if Democrats really think the effect of non-citizen voting makes no partisan difference, then why do they put up such a fuss at every proposal for assuring voter integrity? QED....

How Many Elections Will Democrats Steal Next Week Power Line​

This is an estimation by right wing partisans, not a university study, as implied by the article.

You are a stupid LAIR.

The study was done by Jesse T. Richman and Gulshan A. Chattha of Old Dominion University and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

The methodology of the "study" is being called into question, in the same place it was originally published.

It seems the study only found 5 verified non-citizen voters, and is estimating the remainder.

Other criticisms of the study can be seen here:

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens 8217 voting - The Washington Post

 

[Freewill]

In reality it is nothing but a wedge issue. They want to promote class warfare even where there isn't. They know as well as anyone else that everyone has the form of id that states have requested. The left has nothing to run on except wedge issues and that is what they are doing. They are driving wedged between people in every case where they think it will help them. I think the poor should be outraged at how little the left wing thinks of them. Apparently the left wing equates being poor with being lazy and or stupid.

 

[boedicca]

More voter fraud!


An election integrity watchdog group is suing the state of Maryland, alleging that it has discovered massive and ongoing fraudulent voting by non-U.S. citizens in one county. But because of the way that the non-citizens are able to cast votes in elections, the fraud is likely happening in every single county and subdivision across the state. The group believes that the illegal voting has been happening for years.

The group, Virginia Voters Alliance, says that it compared how voters in Frederick County filled out jury duty statements compared with their voting records. The group’s investigation found that thousands of people in Frederick County who stated that they are not U.S. citizens on jury duty forms went on to cast votes in elections. Either they failed to tell the truth when they were summoned for jury duty, or they cast illegal votes. Both are crimes. The same group previously found that about 40,000 people are registered to vote in both Virginia and Maryland.

It is a federal crime to cast votes if you are not legally eligible to vote. Non-citizens, whether in the country legally or not, are prohibited from voting in most local and all state and federal elections. Yet the VVA investigation found that hundreds of non-citizens have been voting in Frederick County, Maryland. One in seven Maryland residents are non-U.S. citizens.

“The lawsuit is the equivalent of the lookout spotting the iceberg ahead of the Titanic,” state Del. Pat McDonough told the Tatler. He added that the group’s investigation found a voter fraud “smoking gun.”

Maryland state law makes it easier for non-citizens, both those present legally and those in the country against the law, to vote. Maryland issues drivers licenses to legal and illegal aliens. Driver’s licenses in turn make it easier under the Motor Voter law to register to vote. Maryland also offers copious taxpayer-funded social programs to non-citizens in the state.

The group filed suit in Baltimore’s U.S. District Court on Friday. They are suing the Frederick County Board of Elections and the Maryland State Board of Elections....

The PJ Tatler Massive Non-Citizen Voting Uncovered in Maryland

And here is the lawsuit filing:

http://watchdog.wpengine.netdna-cdn...31/files//2014/10/2014-10-24-1-Complaint1.pdf

 

[Siete]

voter registration is enough

You must prove you're a citizen
Live in your district
and be 18 years old.

End of story .. go vote.

 

[M14 Shooter]

voter registration is enough

:doh:
Absent a valid state-issued photo ID, how does the state verify that the person at the poll is who he says he is?

 

[Vigilante]

voter registration is enough

You must prove you're a citizen
Live in your district
and be 18 years old.

End of story .. go vote.

And how do you prove you are a citizen, Shit-e?...and how do you prove YOU are the one registered...because YOU say so?

 

[MrDVS1]

An interesting dissection of what is really behind the Democrats obsession with voter ID's!

Lots of folks think Democrats oppose voter ID laws because they want to cheat and such laws interfere with their plans. That’s an attractive explanation, but it ignores the far more complex architecture of voter ID opposition. Here’s the real reasons Democrats oppose voter ID. Understanding these three reasons will help you decode the whole narrative behind voter ID. 1. Opposition to Voter ID Is a Base-Mobilization Tool. Simply, Democrats and civil rights groups spend millions of dollars opposing voter ID because they are trying to scare minority voters into thinking that Jim Crow is back. If Jim Crow is...

The PJ Tatler Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID

Anyone who knows how our ballots work knows that voter ID accomplishes exactly nothing, except disenfranchising certain voters.

Once again so called conservatives are in favor of wasting tax dollars if serves their own ends.