Why do Democrats Trivialize The Threat From Radical Islam

I stated the Islam has declared war on America.

They have, as I demonstrated.

The only group you demonstrated to have declared war on the United States is bin Laden's. But to be fair I'm sure there are several radical groups that have done the same.

That's like saying Christianity has declared war on So. Africa.

How many "Christians" have chopped off the heads of South Africans, and celebrate in the street after a tragedy happens there?

It was an allegory. Christianity has not declared war on anyone. Neither has Islam. Several Christian and Muslims groups are at war.

“Actually, Christians have a long history of cutting off heads, and butchering people. You might even say that they invented it. During many of the sieges of the "Holy Land" during the Crusades they launched the severed heads of Muslims at the "infidels" (so named by the Church) that they were fighting. And displaying the heads of conquered enemies on poles was rather common throughout most of European history right up through the 17th century, and it wasn't the Muslims or the Jews that were doing to the beheading and mounting.”
 
Well, what you answer on a message board means nothing. Thats not my point.


My point is that when faced with that decision, EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN LEFT WINGER ON HERE would silently get in the Christian plane rather than the Muslim plane. Deny that as much as anyone wants. Call me a bigot. Call me a hater. Call me whatever.

But every damn person here would avoid the all-Muslim flights.


You are welcome to speak for yourself and your own fears, but don't presume that we are all shivering in fear from Muslims per se.

No your licking the balls of the islamic pigs!Goto your nearest mosque and smell thier asses muz lover!

Either you're an old fart going through a second childhood, or some nine-year old playing with mommy's computer, or you manage to gnaw your way through your cage and discover if you conjure up bodily functions and talk in porn enough, it'll make you one of the macho men you've always wished you were, but aren't.
 
i don't think democrats "understate the threat". I think that it offends us when we see our country do the type of witch hunt that was done during the mccarthy era and the type of thing that was done to the japanese during WWII.

I'm all for rooting out threats. I'm not for witch hunts.

And if they were looking for all threats, I'd say it was a good thing. But they aren't.

Ok...I actually expect more from you on this. You don't think we should be looking into muslim radicalization in our prison system? You think that is a witch-hunt? The Japanese internment was done by a Democrat, although that’s not really relevant here and I don't know why you would even bring it up, generally the dems play politics with this issue there a couple such as Joe Lieberman who understand but most could care less it all about power, sad but true

i'm a lawyer first. I have a real problem with those types of constitutional violations. I do. There is no excuse for it and every time we do the witch hunt, we regret it as a society. If there is cause to investigate specific people or specific groups then the "patriot act" gives broad latitude to engage in searches. We have people in all kinds of places with their ears to the ground. it seems to me that when they actually choose to look at the intel, we are able to diffuse pretty much everything. I feel the same way about the loons who talk about their second amendment remedies... dangerous idiots who should be put away.

And notwithstanding your need to make it a dem/repub issue, to me it's a legal issue. And you don't want to get me started on Joe Lieberman.

oh... and i keep telling you, i'm not a neocon. I have no patience for blanket hatred of entire groups of people. Do you see Israelis running around holding "hearings" on radicalization of islam. they know there's radicalization. they know why.

what's to hold hearings on other than to humiliate an entire group of people? i dunno.. maybe where you live isn't as mixed as where i live. we have every type of person imaginable here. and to tell the truth, i think it's wrong for people who demand the protections of the first amendment try to deprive other people of it.

Still using the term "witch hunt" with no proof that is happening. Please back up your statement or stop using it. It is misleading and deceptive. There are hearings on EVERYTHING in congress. It does not mean, much. As far as humiliating entire groups of people, don't you do that when someone disagrees with the lefties? Don't you call them names and try to insult them, personally, while never discussing the issue? A lawyer, I should have expected as much.
 
You are welcome to speak for yourself and your own fears, but don't presume that we are all shivering in fear from Muslims per se.

No your licking the balls of the islamic pigs!Goto your nearest mosque and smell thier asses muz lover!

You come up with the most interesting visuals. Are you speaking from experience?

I think he's headed for the "sucks goats" rep category quite soon. Then of course he'll Google "sucking goats" and find exactly what he's looking for. (Filthy freak...)
 
Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry


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Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry”




On a day when Islamic jihadists exploded a bomb in Jerusalem that murdered at least one woman and wounded thirty, and when Islamic jihadists opened fire on and killed two Christians outside a church in Pakistan, Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL) announced that he was going to hold hearings on the rise in “anti-Muslim bigotry.”

Durbin, of course, was retaliating for the hearings recently conducted by Rep. Peter King (R-NY), who himself bowed to politically correct pressure and dropped several witnesses that he had originally announced his intention to call, including ex-Muslim human rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali and terror analyst Walid Phares.

Not only was the timing of Durbin’s announcement ironic, but also the fact that his retaliatory hearings were unnecessary in the first place. King, after all, gave a prime platform at his hearings to the weepy Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), whose pilgrimage to Mecca was paid for with $13,350 from the Muslim American Society, the Muslim Brotherhood ‘s chief operating arm in the U.S.

Ellison used the bully pulpit King gave him to paint a lurid picture of Muslim victimhood, all the while saying nothing (of course) about the sharp increase in jihad terror plots in this country over the last two years. How can Durbin top that?

Senate to Hold Hearings on

probably for the same reason that republicans trivialize the threat from evangelical, militant christians

Where are the headless bodies of those murdered by "evangelical, militant christians"?
 
Not that you'll actually read it, but this compares The Bible's Ten Commandments to similar verses in the Quran.

And she goes for the red herring.. Of all the logical fallacies she could choose, this is the most pathetic, so it was nearly preordained as her choice...

Look, you're a leftist: a mindless drone spewing the bullshit that the hive instructs you to spew. You have neither the capacity nor the desire to formulate a thought. I get it, I really do.

Still, in the few, short sentences that you regurgitated, you revealed a depth of ignorance which is stunning.

One sect, huh?

ROFL - how fucking stupid are you? (Or rather, your handlers?)

There has been a sectarian war raging for 1500 years in Islam. When Muslims aren't busy killing infidels, they busy themselves with killing each other. Dozens of times more Muslims have died from violence between Shiite and Sunni than from conflicts with Christians and Hindus.

You don't know this and you don't care, the hive didn't program you to consider reality - only to spew the party line.

At least I know what a red herring is and what a strawman is. Apparently you are clueless. Carry on, stupid cretin. I haven't had this much fun with a troll poster since guatama.
 
How many different quotes do you want on the Bible saying rape is ok or encouraged? 1 is too easy, you give me a number and I'll happily oblige to further educate you on your own religious book.

When was the last time a Christian community stoned a woman to death for being raped?

(In fairness, it's been almost a week for the Muslims.)

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Now Maggie Mae will show her support for woman's rights by lying to cover up the atrocities by Muslims!

How many times does the left have to denounce punishing rape victims, or public stonings to satify you? Hmmm, give a number would you, then subtract 1 from it. Both practices should be abolished.
 
so that doesn't seem very atheistic to me.

Yeah, but then, you're not very bright.

{CNN reported, “McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn’t believe in God, but he won’t rule out the possibility. I asked him, “What if there is a heaven and hell?” He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will – and this is using his military jargon – “adapt, improvise, and overcome.” Death to him is all part of the adventure.}

McVeigh faces day of reckoning | World news | The Guardian

Funny how YOUR argument has now shifted from he "was a self-proclaimed atheist" to he "is agnostic." and somehow believe that your dishonesty and lack of integrity reflect poorly on me. LOL

So why the shift in argument?? Is he agnostic or atheist?? LOL The sad fact is that you actually got thanked for contradicting your previous argument. LOL

{Timothy McVeigh, was a self-proclaimed atheist, whose mantra was "Science is my religion."}

Thanks for the contradiction loser. LOL
 
How many different quotes do you want on the Bible saying rape is ok or encouraged? 1 is too easy, you give me a number and I'll happily oblige to further educate you on your own religious book.

You said they were there. I gave you a quote, no go ahead, compare it. Demonstrate your Biblical knowledge. Show something similar to "that" quote.

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.


3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Here's a few of the many biblical quotes that encourage and promote rape. The Q'uran quote you provided demonstrates this, as do all these quotes.

OT history. No longer practiced. How does that compare to"

Any sexual activity is considered the given right of a male...A Muslim woman cannot report being raped because she will be asked to provide four witnesses otherwise she will be accused of committing adultery, and she will be stoned to death.”
“Muslim jurists will only accept four male witnesses. These witnesses must declare that they have "seen the parties in the very act of carnal conjunction." Once an accusation of fornication and adultery has been made, the accuser himself or herself risks punishment if he or she does not furnish the necessary legal proofs. Witnesses are in the same situation. If a man were to break into a woman's dormitory and rape half a dozen women, he would risk nothing since there would be no male witnesses. Indeed the victim of a rape would hesitate before going in front of the law, since she would risk being condemned herself and have little chance of obtaining justice. "If the woman's words were sufficient in such cases," explains Judge Zharoor ul Haq of Pakistan, "then no man would be safe.”

“Koran 33:50.

O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers -- We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own -- that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”
 
Ok. Any airline of your choice. Lets say Southwest. A good, safe airline.

Now, you must pick a flight:

Flight A: 100 random Christians.
Flight B: 100 random Muslims.

Plane is boarding now....you have 30 seconds to choose. And your choice is.......?

let's say I pick the Christians, what conclusion are we to draw from this? What is this supposed to ultimately prove?

Well, what you answer on a message board means nothing. Thats not my point.

So your point is "nothing"?? Got it. LOL
 
How many different quotes do you want on the Bible saying rape is ok or encouraged? 1 is too easy, you give me a number and I'll happily oblige to further educate you on your own religious book.

You said they were there. I gave you a quote, no go ahead, compare it. Demonstrate your Biblical knowledge. Show something similar to "that" quote.

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.


3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Here's a few of the many biblical quotes that encourage and promote rape. The Q'uran quote you provided demonstrates this, as do all these quotes.

Taking women for wives, is not exactly "promoting" rape. It is giving protection to women that had none.
 
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was one of the first captured following 911;

Confirming that he was NOT captured and tried by Clinton's team in the 93' bombing case and validating that what you claimed was false. Funny, wasn't he in IRAQ - which your hive claims had nothing to do with Al Qaeda? (I don't expect an answer, you are but a drone - not a thinker-bee.)
He was identified as being one of the perpetrators of the 1993 bombings, and tracked down eventually being captured in Pakistan on March 3, 2003 (two weeks BEFORE the invasion of Iraq). But your initial statement implied Clinton sat on his ass and diddle Monica. Which was a lie.

Terry Nichols was convicted in 1997 and is still behind bars, unless he died.

Again, only AFTER he was involved in another atrocity.
So? You have no grounds here, none, nada, zip.

There is a concept for the sentient beings - stop them BEFORE they strike. You really wouldn't understand.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. I think I'll alert DHS that there are wild-eyed reactionaries like you who are a combination of sociopaths and narcissists, a deadly combination, and you should be tracked down and locked up before you can do bodily harm.
 
The medieval aspects of Islam are supported by the State in some countries, there is where you see such things going on.

In SOME countries? What a quisling pile of shit. It is supported by FUCKING Sharia - your lies don't change a thing.

The medieval aspects of Christianity are NOT supported by the State in just about every country.....now.

Nor by ANY Christian church, despite your dishonest attempt to justify Islam by lying and claiming that Christianity does the same.

The main differences between Christianity and Islam...the differences we all agree we hate are NOT based on what the religions say, it's based on whether governments incorporate religious rules in their civil law.

There is no similarity - despite your rank dishonesty.

Turkey has learned what European countries and the U.S. has learned....religion and government do not mix well.

I'm going to pay you a compliment, Bodecea. You are the smartest leftist in the forum - at least as far as I've encountered. There are times when it appears you almost grasp concepts and can nearly analyze an argument in a logical syllogism.

There are other times when what you spew is must bone-numbingly stupid - such as now.

{As revolutions across the Mideast bring religious parties within sight of real political power, Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is becoming the region’s go-to man for Islamist leaders looking for a makeover.}

Islamists Look to Turkey for Inspiration - Newsweek

Ataturk wept.
 
Well, what you answer on a message board means nothing. Thats not my point.


My point is that when faced with that decision, EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN LEFT WINGER ON HERE would silently get in the Christian plane rather than the Muslim plane. Deny that as much as anyone wants. Call me a bigot. Call me a hater. Call me whatever.

But every damn person here would avoid the all-Muslim flights.

And what action is warranted by this?

Well, for one the left wingers should stop preaching about being equally tolerant of all religions, and that all religions are equal, and that radical Islam is not a threat to common Americans. No left winger can say the above when I know damn well there isn't one libtard here that would pick the 200 flights with 100 random Muslims over 100 random Christians if made to choose.

All religions have their nuts, that disclaimer has been repeated a million times. But radical Islam has incredible evil brewing in that religion. Denying it is deadly to everyone.

Can you show who in this thread said "radical Islam is not a threat to common Americans." or denied that radical islam "is a deadly threat" because I don't remember reading that anywhere in this thread?? I have seen right wingers make the claim that the left has said it but I haven't seen any proof that it has actually occured.

BTW you "knowing something" is a far cry from "proving something." Don't you think it's time that you learned the difference??
 

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