Why Do People Support Trump?

[theDoctorisIn]

The appeal of populism is that it gives "easy" answers to the problems that anger the ignorant masses.

What's complicated about illegal immigration? Simply enforce the law. That's the only thing you need to know.

Which laws?

Be specific, and cite the parts of federal criminal code that you're referring to.

Let's begin with this one, which states plainly the process by which aliens are granted citizenship to the US.

8 U.S. Code § 1181 - Admission of immigrants into the United States

This one should have kept the illegal immigrant who killed Kate Steinle from entering the US. But nope. Sanctuary cities.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1227 - Deportable aliens

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1231 - Detention and removal of aliens ordered removed

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1302 - Registration of aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1321 - Prevention of unauthorized landing of aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1326 - Reentry of removed aliens

Ok, good. Now we've got some laws to work with. Now, all you have to do is show which ones aren't being enforced.

Let's take Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez (the suspected murderer of Kate Steinle) as an example.

Which of those laws do you believe were not enforced?

Take your pick:

8 USC 1181(a)

8 USC 1182(a)(10)(h)(2)

8 USC 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and (a)(2)(B)(i)

8 USC 1231(a)(1)(A), and (a)(2)

8 USC 1302(a) and (b)

8 USC 1321(a)

8 USC 1325(a)

8 USC 1326(a)(2) and (c)

No, trying to overwhelm me with an excess of information isn't going to work. I'm not going to do your work for you.

You need to specifically cite which laws were not enforced, and how.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I see here and elsewhere people who otherwise identify and conservative or Republican or both. Yet if you asked them even 9 months ago, would you support a life long Democrat who favors single payer healthcare, favors use of eminent domain for private gain, favors abortion, and has never held office they would answer a resounding NO.
And yet here they are supporting Trump, who is all those things and more. A man with professed intentions to commit war crimes, an idiot on foreign policy, a serial adulterer, a man who plays footsie with racists.
How to explain this?

Well..... for the longest time the GOP (mainly the establishment) has been ignoring the concerns of their constituents. We complained about Commie Care, and they told us there is nothing they can do because Democrats in Congress were in charge, so we put Republicans in charge. Still little change and we complained. They told us the Democrat led Senate is holding up their progress, so we gave Republicans leadership of the Senate as well. Now their excuse is they don't have the White House.

As the invaders are changing the US into a bilingual nation, holding down our wages, breaking our laws, and sending our US dollars back to their homeland by the billions every year, we strongly expressed how we wanted that stopped. What did we get? We got immigration reform. WTF asked for reform? We told them to get these people out of our country.

Then of course there was no cut in funds to Commie Care, no cut in funds to Planned Parenthood, no balanced budget, and all we got in return were excuses such as the fear of a government shutdown.

Our position is this: when Democrats are in charge, we have to do things the Democrat way. When Republicans are in charge, we still have to do things the Democrat way. So when are they ever going to do things our way?

Along came Donald Trump. He spoke about getting rid of the invaders. He spoke about the trade deficit. He spoke about real jobs, and not these Burger King jobs being created the last couple of years. He spoke about not taking crap from anybody.

That's why people support Donald Trump, because the professional politicians told us they would make change, but never delivered. Time to try something new. After all, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results each time.

I agree that the GOP has failed its voters.
I disagree with your racist and bigoted comments about immigrants.
I agree that Trump has understood that anger and has crafted his message to tap into it.
I disagree that anyone who cares anything about principles could possibly support this buffoon.

I'd support Micky Mouse over Hillary or Socialist Sanders. As for the primaries, I voted for our Governor in solidarity.

Do tell, what is racist or bigoted about my comments? Name one thing I said that isn't true. You create a thread asking people why the support for Trump, and when we tell you, you throw out insults.

That immigrants are "invaders", that they are keeping wages down (no evidence of it), that they are criminals. You understand that is bigotry, right?

No, I don't understand that at all.

If you come here illegally, you are breaking our laws.
If you come here against the will of the people and our laws by the millions, then yes, you are invading our country.

That's bigotry?

Once again, pull the race card when you are out of facts and logic, straight from the liberal handbook.

 

[SmokeALib]

Because he's not Hillary.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Trump could have probably gotten a drone job with the government but he made things happen and met freaking payrolls and employed thousands of people and built things. What did Barry Hussein ever do besides try to follow the "dreams of my father" (who hated America) and undermine the freaking Country? What did Hillary ever do but trade her self respect for political power?

I don't think Hellary really had a lot of self respect to trade.

 

[WheelieAddict]

[ Conservatives are for open immigration.

How can you deny it? Amnesty has been the order of the day since Reagan.

President Reagan was lied to by Democrats who promised to immigration reform and tightening the Southern border. Never trust a Progressive.

Both sides have said that since Reagan.
The last midterms are a prime example.
You need to wake up,neither side gives a fuck about Americans.

It's hilarious. Both sides of partisans will spew out whatever bs to deny. Yet you are absolutely correct

 

[TemplarKormac]

What's complicated about illegal immigration? Simply enforce the law. That's the only thing you need to know.

Which laws?

Be specific, and cite the parts of federal criminal code that you're referring to.

Let's begin with this one, which states plainly the process by which aliens are granted citizenship to the US.

8 U.S. Code § 1181 - Admission of immigrants into the United States

This one should have kept the illegal immigrant who killed Kate Steinle from entering the US. But nope. Sanctuary cities.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1227 - Deportable aliens

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1231 - Detention and removal of aliens ordered removed

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1302 - Registration of aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1321 - Prevention of unauthorized landing of aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1326 - Reentry of removed aliens

Ok, good. Now we've got some laws to work with. Now, all you have to do is show which ones aren't being enforced.

Let's take Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez (the suspected murderer of Kate Steinle) as an example.

Which of those laws do you believe were not enforced?

Take your pick:

8 USC 1181(a)

8 USC 1182(a)(10)(h)(2)

8 USC 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and (a)(2)(B)(i)

8 USC 1231(a)(1)(A), and (a)(2)

8 USC 1302(a) and (b)

8 USC 1321(a)

8 USC 1325(a)

8 USC 1326(a)(2) and (c)

No, trying to overwhelm me with an excess of information isn't going to work. I'm not going to do your work for you.

You need to specifically cite which laws were not enforced, and how.

You told me to be specific. I was. And I cited specific parts of those laws for you to refer. I don't know how to be any more specific than I already was. Isn't that you moving the goalposts? You told me to cite specific laws that were not being enforced, not how or why. But assuming you did, here you go.

Sanchez was deported five times for drug related offenses. But when he killed Steinle, he did so in the city of San Francisco, which is a sanctuary city. Before the shooting however, he was released by US Bureau of Prisons into the city's custody on an outstanding drug warrant, as requested by the Sheriff's Department. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement branch of the federal government (ICE) then issued a detainer requesting that Sanchez be held until immigration authorities could come get him. But the city, being a "sanctuary city", refused to comply with the detainer request, and released him, which was in direct violation of

8 USC 1182(a)(10)(h)(2)

8 USC 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and (a)(2)(B)(i)

and

8 USC 1231(a)(1)(A), and (a)(2)

Thus, as a result of the city's failure to comply with Federal law, the above cited laws were not enforced and Steinle was subsequently murdered. The city (or any city for that matter) had no right to supersede the authority of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I would also venture as far as to suggest that such action by the City of San Francisco violated the federal government's rights under Supremacy Clause as well. The government makes the call on who can be admitted, readmitted, detained, or refused entry under the law, not a city or municipality.

 

[TemplarKormac]

As for the others, specifically 8 USC 1302 and 8 USC 1325

How these laws aren't being enforced is simply due to the large number of undocumented aliens already in the US, which is a sign these laws are, well, not being enforced. Now we are trying to pass laws granting them amnesty, because we don't want to look mean.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Which laws?

Be specific, and cite the parts of federal criminal code that you're referring to.

Let's begin with this one, which states plainly the process by which aliens are granted citizenship to the US.

8 U.S. Code § 1181 - Admission of immigrants into the United States

This one should have kept the illegal immigrant who killed Kate Steinle from entering the US. But nope. Sanctuary cities.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1227 - Deportable aliens

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1231 - Detention and removal of aliens ordered removed

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1302 - Registration of aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1321 - Prevention of unauthorized landing of aliens

And this one

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Or this one

8 U.S. Code § 1326 - Reentry of removed aliens

Ok, good. Now we've got some laws to work with. Now, all you have to do is show which ones aren't being enforced.

Let's take Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez (the suspected murderer of Kate Steinle) as an example.

Which of those laws do you believe were not enforced?

Take your pick:

8 USC 1181(a)

8 USC 1182(a)(10)(h)(2)

8 USC 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and (a)(2)(B)(i)

8 USC 1231(a)(1)(A), and (a)(2)

8 USC 1302(a) and (b)

8 USC 1321(a)

8 USC 1325(a)

8 USC 1326(a)(2) and (c)

No, trying to overwhelm me with an excess of information isn't going to work. I'm not going to do your work for you.

You need to specifically cite which laws were not enforced, and how.

You told me to be specific. I was. And I cited specific parts of those laws for you to refer. I don't know how to be any more specific than I already was. Isn't that you moving the goalposts? You told me to cite specific laws that were not being enforced, not how or why. But assuming you did, here you go.

Sanchez was deported five times for drug related offenses. But when he killed Steinle, he did so in the city of San Francisco, which is a sanctuary city. Before the shooting however, he was released by US Bureau of Prisons into the city's custody on an outstanding drug warrant, as requested by the Sheriff's Department. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement branch of the federal government (ICE) then issued a detainer requesting that Sanchez be held until immigration authorities could come get him. But the city, being a "sanctuary city", refused to comply with the detainer request, and released him, which was in direct violation of

8 USC 1182(a)(10)(h)(2)

8 USC 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and (a)(2)(B)(i)

and

8 USC 1231(a)(1)(A), and (a)(2)

Thus, as a result of the city's failure to comply with Federal law, the above cited laws were not enforced. The city (or any city for that matter) had no right to supersede the authority of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I would also venture as far as to suggest that such action by the City of San Francisco violated the federal government's rights under Supremacy Clause as well. The government makes the call on who can be admitted, readmitted, detained, or refused entry under the law, not a city or municipality.

Now, that's better. But let's take a look at those laws you've quoted.

8 USC 1182(a)(10)(h) (including it's subsection (2)) gives the AG discretion in granting waivers in cases of simple marijuana possession. I don't see how it applies here.

(h)Waiver of subsection (a)(2)(A)(i)(I), (II), (B), (D), and (E)The Attorney General may, in his discretion, waive the application of subparagraphs (A)(i)(I), (B), (D), and (E) of subsection (a)(2) and subparagraph (A)(i)(II) of such subsection insofar as it relates to a single offense of simple possession of 30 grams or less of marijuana if—
(1)
(A)in the case of any immigrant it is established to the satisfaction of the Attorney General that—
(i)
the alien is inadmissible only under subparagraph (D)(i) or (D)(ii) of such subsection or the activities for which the alien is inadmissible occurred more than 15 years before the date of the alien’s application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,
(ii)
the admission to the United States of such alien would not be contrary to the national welfare, safety, or security of the United States, and
(iii)
the alien has been rehabilitated; or
(B)
in the case of an immigrant who is the spouse, parent, son, or daughter of a citizen of the United States or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence if it is established to the satisfaction of the Attorney General that the alien’s denial of admission would result in extreme hardship to the United States citizen or lawfully resident spouse, parent, son, or daughter of such alien; or
(C)
the alien is a VAWA self-petitioner; and
(2)
the Attorney General, in his discretion, and pursuant to such terms, conditions and procedures as he may by regulations prescribe, has consented to the alien’s applying or reapplying for a visa, for admission to the United States, or adjustment of status.

8 USC 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and (a)(2)(B)(i): That's closer to what you're looking for, but not quite:

(a) Classes of deportable aliens Any alien (including an alien crewman) in and admitted to the United States shall, upon the order of the Attorney General, be removed if the alien is within one or more of the following classes of deportable aliens:

The AG never made any such order. Same problem with 8 USC 1231(a)(1)(A), and (a)(2):

(a) Detention, release, and removal of aliens ordered removed (1) Removal period (A) In general:
Except as otherwise provided in this section, when an alien is ordered removed, the Attorney General shall remove the alien from the United States within a period of 90 days (in this section referred to as the “removal period”).

"Sanctuary City" policies don't violate any laws - they simply don't allow cooperation with feds outside of court orders or warrants. If the AG had ordered him deported, or provided the City with an arrest warrant, they would have held him.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

As for the others, specifically 8 USC 1302 and 8 USC 1325

How these laws aren't being enforced is simply due to the large number of undocumented aliens already in the US, which is a sign these laws are, well, not being enforced. Now we are trying to pass laws granting them amnesty, because we don't want to look mean.

No, evidence of crimes being committed doesn't imply that the laws aren't being enforced. Does the occurrence of murders and burglaries imply that laws against murder aren't being enforced?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I have a doctors appointment today. I'll deal with this later. Off to bed.

 

[The Rabbi]

I see here and elsewhere people who otherwise identify and conservative or Republican or both. Yet if you asked them even 9 months ago, would you support a life long Democrat who favors single payer healthcare, favors use of eminent domain for private gain, favors abortion, and has never held office they would answer a resounding NO.
And yet here they are supporting Trump, who is all those things and more. A man with professed intentions to commit war crimes, an idiot on foreign policy, a serial adulterer, a man who plays footsie with racists.
How to explain this?

Well..... for the longest time the GOP (mainly the establishment) has been ignoring the concerns of their constituents. We complained about Commie Care, and they told us there is nothing they can do because Democrats in Congress were in charge, so we put Republicans in charge. Still little change and we complained. They told us the Democrat led Senate is holding up their progress, so we gave Republicans leadership of the Senate as well. Now their excuse is they don't have the White House.

As the invaders are changing the US into a bilingual nation, holding down our wages, breaking our laws, and sending our US dollars back to their homeland by the billions every year, we strongly expressed how we wanted that stopped. What did we get? We got immigration reform. WTF asked for reform? We told them to get these people out of our country.

Then of course there was no cut in funds to Commie Care, no cut in funds to Planned Parenthood, no balanced budget, and all we got in return were excuses such as the fear of a government shutdown.

Our position is this: when Democrats are in charge, we have to do things the Democrat way. When Republicans are in charge, we still have to do things the Democrat way. So when are they ever going to do things our way?

Along came Donald Trump. He spoke about getting rid of the invaders. He spoke about the trade deficit. He spoke about real jobs, and not these Burger King jobs being created the last couple of years. He spoke about not taking crap from anybody.

That's why people support Donald Trump, because the professional politicians told us they would make change, but never delivered. Time to try something new. After all, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results each time.

I agree that the GOP has failed its voters.
I disagree with your racist and bigoted comments about immigrants.
I agree that Trump has understood that anger and has crafted his message to tap into it.
I disagree that anyone who cares anything about principles could possibly support this buffoon.

I'd support Micky Mouse over Hillary or Socialist Sanders. As for the primaries, I voted for our Governor in solidarity.

Do tell, what is racist or bigoted about my comments? Name one thing I said that isn't true. You create a thread asking people why the support for Trump, and when we tell you, you throw out insults.

That immigrants are "invaders", that they are keeping wages down (no evidence of it), that they are criminals. You understand that is bigotry, right?

No, I don't understand that at all.

If you come here illegally, you are breaking our laws.
If you come here against the will of the people and our laws by the millions, then yes, you are invading our country.

That's bigotry?

If you drive 60 MPH in a 55MPH zone you are breaking our laws
If you have an overdue library book you are stealing.
Yes your statements are those of bigotry. And Ignorance.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Donald Trump became a unifying force on May Day in downtown L.A.
thousands of people took to the streets in the annual May Day marches in downtown Los Angeles and Boyle Heights on Sunday to advocate for immigration reform, police accountability and an end to racism.

May Day rally in Los Angeles features strong anti-Trump theme | Pictures | Reuters


http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resource...&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC40136

The diverse array of protesters shared one thing in common: all were offended by something Donald Trump had said. The Republican presidential candidate literally loomed over one of the rallies in the form of a giant balloon effigy carrying a Ku Klux Klan hood.

He's plastic, he doesn't have a heart, he doesn't have a brain," organizer Francisco Moreno said, as he gestured at the swaying effigy. "We're not going to vote for Trump!"

Even small children were shouting anti-Trump slogans as protesters assembled in two groups in downtown Los Angeles at noon. They marched parallel routes that ended at Grand Park and Olvera Street, blowing horns, riding bicycles and waving signs supporting various causes
Donald Trump became a unifying force on May Day in downtown L.A.

Frustration was fueled -- some say -- by the fervor of the Republican candidate's own words. For the crowd of largely Latinos, Trump's campaign rhetoric has been seen as a personal attack, CBS Los Angeles reported.

"Trump's speech is hate speech, definitely. We wanted to show that we can confront that speech in a smart way," said another demonstrator.

A second rally was organized by the Full Rights for Immigrants Coalition, which ended around 3 p.m. Wrapped in an American flag, Miriam Hernandez was among a couple of hundred people who attended it.

"We are here just to work and create a better life for our families," said Hernandez, whose mother and brothers are back home in Mexico. "I haven't seen my family for a very, very long time."

She and the others at the rally hope their message resonates in Washington, D.C.: they want immigration reform.

Luis Gallardo, a 16-year-old from Bell, told CBS Los Angeles he desperately wants to become a citizen. His parents brought him here when he was 2 years old.

And without that path to citizenship, he believes he won't have a smooth path to a good future.
May Day marches held across the U.S.

 

[The Rabbi]

The question is, how can anyone not support The Donald. To start off with, he is the only candidate not sponsored by the zionist neocon establishment. Add to the fact he says what most rational people think and you have a winning combination. As far as manufactured "issues" like abortion, that is irrelevant since that is technically a state issue.

You are on to something with your comment. Trump doesn't talk down to us like most politicians. He talks to us more like our coworkers, people at the bar, or even our family when discussing politics.

I was listening to the Rush show last week when he had a caller on. The caller said every time Cruz speaks, you expect him to break out in the Gettysburg Address or something. When you talk like that, it brings into doubt the sincerity of what you are saying.

Translation: Cruz is lots smarter than me and it intimidates me.
Trump talks like a guy with a 3rd grade education so I feel good.
I think you're onto something there.

 

[The Rabbi]

He's not under investigation by the FBI for jeopardizing national security, for crimes under the Espionage Act...

Trump is better than a lying cheating sleazebucket. Whoopie! Somehow I expect more than that.

 

[The Rabbi]

The appeal of populism is that it gives "easy" answers to the problems that anger the ignorant masses.

What's complicated about illegal immigration? Simply enforce the law. That's the only thing you need to know.

---------------------------------- only problem with that is that instead of a million legals a year like it is now they just say that they'll build the wall and let in 10 million LEGALS a year . Gotta stop the immigration of ALL types IMO , no one has a RIGHT to immigrate to the USA . And the powers that be purposely import third worlders to further fracture the USA with their Diversity .

Yeah because what do immigrants contribute here anyway, right?
Your views aer those of the lazy racist uninformed. No wonder you support Trump.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I see here and elsewhere people who otherwise identify and conservative or Republican or both. Yet if you asked them even 9 months ago, would you support a life long Democrat who favors single payer healthcare, favors use of eminent domain for private gain, favors abortion, and has never held office they would answer a resounding NO.
And yet here they are supporting Trump, who is all those things and more. A man with professed intentions to commit war crimes, an idiot on foreign policy, a serial adulterer, a man who plays footsie with racists.
How to explain this?

Conservatives don't want brown people in this country and Trump was the first one to make a big deal out of deporting the brown people so all is forgiven

You swallowed the media hype hook, line and sinker

Nope, just my own observation and experiences.

Nope you don't have the first clue what Trump was saying, it's like when he wanted to suspend the refuge program until they got a handle on the vetting, all you clowns were screeching he wanted to ban Muslims, etc. Trump has never said he wanted to "deport the brown people"....perhaps you can provide the actual quote instead of spewing what you "heard"? Trump was talking about the illegals that come here and commit FURTHER crimes. See I paid attention, you didn't

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I see here and elsewhere people who otherwise identify and conservative or Republican or both. Yet if you asked them even 9 months ago, would you support a life long Democrat who favors single payer healthcare, favors use of eminent domain for private gain, favors abortion, and has never held office they would answer a resounding NO.
And yet here they are supporting Trump, who is all those things and more. A man with professed intentions to commit war crimes, an idiot on foreign policy, a serial adulterer, a man who plays footsie with racists.
How to explain this?

Conservatives don't want brown people in this country and Trump was the first one to make a big deal out of deporting the brown people so all is forgiven

You swallowed the media hype hook, line and sinker

Nope, just my own observation and experiences.

How many conservatives have you ever met? I'll bet none.

He's easily led by the media

 

[JoeB131]

I see here and elsewhere people who otherwise identify and conservative or Republican or both. Yet if you asked them even 9 months ago, would you support a life long Democrat who favors single payer healthcare, favors use of eminent domain for private gain, favors abortion, and has never held office they would answer a resounding NO.
And yet here they are supporting Trump, who is all those things and more. A man with professed intentions to commit war crimes, an idiot on foreign policy, a serial adulterer, a man who plays footsie with racists.
How to explain this?

Very simple.

for 50 years now, the Republican Party has been very good at getting White Males to vote against their own economic interests by playing on their racial, sexual, and religious fears. And then they precede to do thing that work against the economic interests of working class white people.

Which is why Abortion never gets banned, but the rich always get their tax cuts.

Trump has just figured out how to simply sell the wrapper and not the contents. He's playing on the racial fears without bothering to get the rich people the stuff they are looking for.

Trump is exactly what you guys deserve after 50 years of this nonsense.

 

[JoeB131]

The appeal of populism is that it gives "easy" answers to the problems that anger the ignorant masses.

That is a very good point.

The GOP has had "populist" uprisings before, Buchanan in 1996 and Huckabee in 2008. And in the past, they've been able to spend a shitload of money to crush it, even if it meant getting behind candidates who would lose in the fall.

This time, not so much, as they have a guy who can self-fund in Trump, and they were not able to rally behind an acceptable alternative.

 

[JoeB131]

So Bush etc campaigned on saying the right things but didnt do them.
Trump is campaigning on saying the right things and you think he'll actually do them?
Just how fucking stupid are you? HE isnt even saying the right things. He isnt talking about the Constitution, or cutting gov't spending, or anything. He's talking about war crimes and expanding government.
Just how fucking stupid are you, again?

How stupid are you? Do you think the vast majority of the Great Unwashed who have supported you up to this point care about "the constitution" or cutting government spending? Of course they don't.

They care about punishing the Darkies for all the misery they have supposedly caused.