Why do progressives attempt to paint the Confederates as rightwingers?

[Sallow]

No, I know the word I am looking for. Segregation implies separate but equal. That is, sharing a government and a country. Segregation obviously failed, it led to integration and non-white rule(see South Africa, Rhodesia(now Zimbabwe), the United States), just to name a few.

I am talking about a country for Whites only.

Kentucky is 90% white and it's listed 9th on the list of "welfare states". 150 years of conservative policies have ruined every southern state.

List of Governors of Kentucky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of the 38 governors who have served in the last 150 years, 31 have been Democrats.

That's 82%.

Reality once again kicks Derp's ass.

Yes..and they were probably all Conservatives.

 

[JWBooth]

I think the word you're looking for is segregation.

No, I know the word I am looking for. Segregation implies separate but equal. That is, sharing a government and a country. Segregation obviously failed, it led to integration and non-white rule(see South Africa, Rhodesia(now Zimbabwe), the United States), just to name a few.

I am talking about a country for Whites only.

Kentucky is 90% white and it's listed 9th on the list of "welfare states". 150 years of conservative policies have ruined every southern state.

Right, how about Detroit? Is that a valid analogy for the success of liberal policy?

 

[Sunshine]

As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.

Link?

 

[Sunshine]

As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.

I'll call you on that. Meet you any time in the bullring to defend that statement. And trust me. I'll make you wished you died as a child.

I am so sick of this shit.

Truly I am. I have not a problem with debating or discussing true history. But lying about history...............

I get pissed off. Don't do it PJ.

As one who was around both before and after the civil rights act, I must also disagree with PJ. There was nothing conservative about FDR, or Kennedy.

 

[Sunshine]

Bingo

You too. Find me a quote from a conservative calling for slavery.

Good Gaea, it sure would be nice if you idiots could think for yourselves.

"If slavery be a sin, it is not yours. It does not rest on your action for its origin, on your consent for its existence. It is a common law right to property in the service of man; its origin was Divine decree."
~Davis

"African slavery, as it exists in the United States, is a moral, a social, and a political blessing."
~Davis

"My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be."
~Davis

That would be Jefferson Davis..

Monument Avenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jefferson Davis was a democrat:

In 1840 Davis first became involved in politics when he attended a Democratic meeting in Vicksburg and, to his surprise, was chosen as a delegate to the party's state convention in Jackson. In 1842, he attended the Democratic convention, and in 1843 became a Warren County Whig candidate for the state House of Representatives but lost his first election. In 1844, Davis was sent to the party convention for a third time, and his interest in politics deepened. He was selected as one of six presidential electors for the 1844 presidential election and campaigned effectively throughout Mississippi for the Democratic candidate, James K. Polk.[32][33]

Jefferson Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The whigs, initially those who supported British rule in the states, were not democrats. They opposed the democrats:

The Whig Party was a political party active in the early 19th century in the United States. Four Presidents of the United States were members of the Whig Party. Considered integral to the Second Party System and operating from the early 1830s to the mid-1850s,[1] the party was formed in opposition to the policies of President Andrew Jackson and his Democratic Party. In particular, the Whigs supported the supremacy of Congress over the Presidency and favored a program of modernization and economic protectionism. This name was chosen to echo the American Whigs of 1776, who fought for independence, and because "Whig" was then a widely recognized label of choice for people who identified as opposing tyranny.[2] The Whig Party counted among its members such national political luminaries as Daniel Webster, William Henry Harrison, and their preeminent leader, Henry Clay of Kentucky. In addition to Harrison, the Whig Party also nominated war hero generals Zachary Taylor and Winfield Scott.

 

[Seawytch]

As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.

Link?

Seriously? It's called a history book.

Southern Democrats

 

[JakeStarkey]

But Abraham Lincoln, as you mentioned through those college grants, rail roads subsidies, opposition to political decentralization, and institution of the first income tax certainly makes him a proto-socialist.

Son, do you understand the Whig ideology of the American plan?

Federal help with internal improvements cannot conceivably considered pre- or pro-socialism.

I am talking about Lincoln and the founding of the GOP. Read my post in it's entirety and get back to me.

You cannot conceivably discuss 'Lincoln and the founding of the GOP' if you don't understand terms and definitions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, that's the progressive programming. You parrot it so well.

Nope, that is historical fact in context.

You have been programmed to believe reactionary revisionism, which does not reflect the truth at all.

You are a victim of reactionary propaganda, little tool.

That's nice. Run along, now.

Hush, now, the adults are talking.

 

[Ame®icano]

The South during this time period were the inheritors of the legacy of Andrew Jackson, a dictatorial President who greatly expanded the scope of the executive branch, so much so that the opposition party called itself "the whigs" to stand in stark contrast with the autocratic tendencies of Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson, the founder of the modern day democrat party, was first and foremost a populist who saw fit to discard the regular order of checks and balances when it disagreed with his interpretation, and that of the people. He painted himself as the tribune of the people, and claimed to represent the not well-off of people of his era, and despised the capitalist north. Andrew Jackson and the democrat party claimed to have been opposed to special interest, big banks, and capitalism. Does this ring any bells?

The Democrat party, during this time period was also one dominated by the wealthy planters, with all political influence being disproportionally concentrated in them (just like the progressive leftists). Their livelihoods, and lifestyle depended on the institution of slavery, and would use their whole political clout in order to keep it in place (just like the left is doing with obamacare). The democrat party, would in essence sustain slavery in order to live lives without responsibility, and on the backs of others, just like they do today. The progressives, in order to maintain their institution, knowing that much of their wealth would be deprived, and social mobility added (Social mobility was unheard of in the South during this time period due in large part to the slave system destroying any efforts to move up for various reasons), and the wage system's inevitable introduction, sought to secede in order to maintain their progressive state.

The democrat party, the party of mobocracy, and populism was and always has been "progressive" , and the Confederates embodied all of these traits.

Maybe this photo can somehow explain...

A plaque on a public university in President Abraham Lincoln’s home state of Illinois​

 

[JakeStarkey]

Easily. That is some misguided version equivalent to a Kennedy Republican sign.

 

[paperview]

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lol

 

[American4Americ]

more evidence that liberalism is false.

 

[Iceman]

Son, do you understand the Whig ideology of the American plan?

Federal help with internal improvements cannot conceivably considered pre- or pro-socialism.

I am talking about Lincoln and the founding of the GOP. Read my post in it's entirety and get back to me.

You cannot conceivably discuss 'Lincoln and the founding of the GOP' if you don't understand terms and definitions.

I know, get back to me after you read the post.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am talking about Lincoln and the founding of the GOP. Read my post in it's entirety and get back to me.

You cannot conceivably discuss 'Lincoln and the founding of the GOP' if you don't understand terms and definitions.

I know, get back to me after you read the post.

Son, we all have. You would get an F in high school freshman history class for this nonsense.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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lol

Another lie. The GOP called MLKJr a commie and a socialist.

 

[hazlnut]

The South during this time period were the inheritors of the legacy of Andrew Jackson, a dictatorial President who greatly expanded the scope of the executive branch, so much so that the opposition party called itself "the whigs" to stand in stark contrast with the autocratic tendencies of Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson, the founder of the modern day democrat party, was first and foremost a populist who saw fit to discard the regular order of checks and balances when it disagreed with his interpretation, and that of the people. He painted himself as the tribune of the people, and claimed to represent the not well-off of people of his era, and despised the capitalist north. Andrew Jackson and the democrat party claimed to have been opposed to special interest, big banks, and capitalism. Does this ring any bells?

The Democrat party, during this time period was also one dominated by the wealthy planters, with all political influence being disproportionally concentrated in them (just like the progressive leftists). Their livelihoods, and lifestyle depended on the institution of slavery, and would use their whole political clout in order to keep it in place (just like the left is doing with obamacare). The democrat party, would in essence sustain slavery in order to live lives without responsibility, and on the backs of others, just like they do today. The progressives, in order to maintain their institution, knowing that much of their wealth would be deprived, and social mobility added (Social mobility was unheard of in the South during this time period due in large part to the slave system destroying any efforts to move up for various reasons), and the wage system's inevitable introduction, sought to secede in order to maintain their progressive state.

The democrat party, the party of mobocracy, and populism was and always has been "progressive" , and the Confederates embodied all of these traits.

Did you not take U.S. History in high school?

The two major parties have switched political polarities twice in our history.

Did you really not know that?


At the end of the civil war the Dems were the CONSERVATIVE PARTY and the Republicans were the "RADICAL" progressives.

They switched back to their current political lean after the Civil Rights movement. It was the GOP's "Southern Strategy" in the 70s that lead to what we have today -- Confederates were always small Government Conservatives. Back then, they were called Dems. Today they are the base of the GOP.

 

[bendog]

Listen up progs, when you guys wanna compensate us for our STOLEN SLAVES, we'll listen. Til then, just keep sending us our federal program money and STAY THE HELL AWAY.... unless you wanna visit a casino.

 

[Iceman]

You cannot conceivably discuss 'Lincoln and the founding of the GOP' if you don't understand terms and definitions.

I know, get back to me after you read the post.

Son, we all have. You would get an F in high school freshman history class for this nonsense.

No I wouldn't. This is all historically accurate.

I am not a conservative at all. But Abraham Lincoln, as you mentioned through those college grants, rail roads subsidies, opposition to political decentralization, and institution of the first income tax certainly makes him a proto-socialist. I guess progressive would be a more apt word, but to deny his socialist tendencies is foolish. Eugene Debs, the father of American socialist was considered similar to Lincoln by his contemporaries.

Did you bother to read the letters between him and Marx? How can you deny his socialist tendencies after this?


Reading Karl Marx with Abraham Lincoln | International Socialist Review
Eugene Debs and American socialism | International Socialist Review
A. Lincoln, Socialist? « The Berkeley Blog
Lincoln and the socialist roots of the Republican Party | Occasional Planet

Regardless, he certainly isn't a conservative by any means. He was a progressive with socialist sympathies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I know, get back to me after you read the post.

Son, we all have. You would get an F in high school freshman history class for this nonsense.

No I wouldn't. This is all historically accurate. . . . and Marx? How can you deny his socialist tendencies after this?

Regardless, he certainly isn't a conservative by any means. He was a progressive with socialist sympathies.

Your interpretation of your "historically accurate" "facts", if you insisted on appealing to the Department and Division Directors and on to the Dean of Instruction, would result in your suspension from school.

Your interp is wrong. Lincoln was a Whig, not a progressive or a socialist as we understand the terms today.

You wish to use "present-ism" in interpreting Lincoln: you can't because it gives the wrong conclusion.

 

[bendog]

Even Ah wouldn't call the lying stealing yankee bastard a "proto-socialist." And, Ah'm a dumb neocofederate. Jesus, you're worse off than me. Dang.