Why do Republicans bash socialism - when it's all around them?

[Lakhota]

In my opinion, our American Democratic Socialism is the only thing that keeps capitalism from destroying us.

 

[Markle]

greed is a sin under socialism.

EXCEPT for the leaders.

 

[Papageorgio]

Didn’t say I was right, I asked you for solutions and gave you examples of left wing cities, the solutions in the left wing cities is higher homelessness, higher crime, filthier living conditions, higher rate of diseases, more garbage strewn through the city, more riots, higher drug problems, lower standard of living, less tourism, fewer conventions bringing money into their cities. I am simply asking if these left wing solutions in left wing towns? Is this the desired standard of the left? If it is fine, however I don’t believe they are working out well for all involved, do you?

Equal protection of the law is a solution. Solving for an economic phenomenon is also a solution.

Doesn’t seem to be working in your cities, it seems to be getting worse. Why is that?

We are still working on equal protection of the law. We have solved simple poverty Yesterday, but it may have been "too much social horror for the right wing to bear."

The right has nothing to do with the solutions you claim to have, to me your solutions in your towns don’t seem to be working. It is getting worse with no end in sight.

lol. you have to get back to after we have studied the results for a year.

California, Oregon, Washington have had years of left wing solutions and they keep getting worse, why is that? You keep telling us that left wingers only have solutions, why have these left wing cities in these left wing state not solved simple homelessness and simple poverty, filthy living conditions, higher disease rates, even a simple garbage issue, drug addiction and other issues that exist in these cities.

 

[danielpalos]

Does anyone think that American socialism is the same as Venezuelan socialism? Why or why not?

it is about management not labels.

And ownership...

We subscribe to Capitalism for the metrics. Our form of socialism includes eminent domain, for the Good of The State.

 

[dblack]

In my opinion, our American Democratic Socialism is the only thing that keeps capitalism from destroying us.

By propping up failing companies with public funds?

The fact of the matter is that socialism corrupts and undermines capitalism. It's the enemy of free markets, and of freedom.

 

[danielpalos]

In my opinion, our American Democratic Socialism is the only thing that keeps capitalism from destroying us.

Congress is supposed to be promoting the general welfare whenever possible.

 

[danielpalos]

greed is a sin under socialism.

EXCEPT for the leaders.

There is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine.



Promoting the general welfare is in our Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Equal protection of the law is a solution. Solving for an economic phenomenon is also a solution.

Doesn’t seem to be working in your cities, it seems to be getting worse. Why is that?

We are still working on equal protection of the law. We have solved simple poverty Yesterday, but it may have been "too much social horror for the right wing to bear."

The right has nothing to do with the solutions you claim to have, to me your solutions in your towns don’t seem to be working. It is getting worse with no end in sight.

lol. you have to get back to after we have studied the results for a year.

California, Oregon, Washington have had years of left wing solutions and they keep getting worse, why is that? You keep telling us that left wingers only have solutions, why have these left wing cities in these left wing state not solved simple homelessness and simple poverty, filthy living conditions, higher disease rates, even a simple garbage issue, drug addiction and other issues that exist in these cities.

let me know once Persons can collect unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

 

[Papageorgio]

Doesn’t seem to be working in your cities, it seems to be getting worse. Why is that?

We are still working on equal protection of the law. We have solved simple poverty Yesterday, but it may have been "too much social horror for the right wing to bear."

The right has nothing to do with the solutions you claim to have, to me your solutions in your towns don’t seem to be working. It is getting worse with no end in sight.

lol. you have to get back to after we have studied the results for a year.

California, Oregon, Washington have had years of left wing solutions and they keep getting worse, why is that? You keep telling us that left wingers only have solutions, why have these left wing cities in these left wing state not solved simple homelessness and simple poverty, filthy living conditions, higher disease rates, even a simple garbage issue, drug addiction and other issues that exist in these cities.

let me know once Persons can collect unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

You are the one claiming success, all you have is excuses and more homelessness, more poverty in your cities.

 

[bripat9643]

stop throwing democratic in front of socialism in an attempt to make it sound more appealing
socialism is socialism no matter what word you throw in front of it
it's like putting democratic in front of communism to make communism acceptable and appealing

The primary defining characteristic is workers self management.
If workers are managing themselves, this like has to be done democratically.

Freedom. Are workers managing themselves have more freedom?

Is this freedom?

Another ignorant liberal that thinks wealth is finite that one having more wealth causes another to have less

your ignorance discredits you from having any intelligent conversation on economics
go learn something then you can come back and join the discussion till then you are just embarrassing your self

Labor is finite, with limited supply.
So how can wealth be any different?

Wealth isn't labor, dumbass.

Wealth only has value when its used to buy labor.

We're already familiar with Marx's labor theory of value. It has been debunked 10,000 times.

 

[danielpalos]

We are still working on equal protection of the law. We have solved simple poverty Yesterday, but it may have been "too much social horror for the right wing to bear."

The right has nothing to do with the solutions you claim to have, to me your solutions in your towns don’t seem to be working. It is getting worse with no end in sight.

lol. you have to get back to after we have studied the results for a year.

California, Oregon, Washington have had years of left wing solutions and they keep getting worse, why is that? You keep telling us that left wingers only have solutions, why have these left wing cities in these left wing state not solved simple homelessness and simple poverty, filthy living conditions, higher disease rates, even a simple garbage issue, drug addiction and other issues that exist in these cities.

let me know once Persons can collect unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

You are the one claiming success, all you have is excuses and more homelessness, more poverty in your cities.

you are claiming that. i am claiming we have a market friendly solution.

 

[Markle]

Does anyone think that American socialism is the same as Venezuelan socialism? Why or why not?

it is about management not labels.

And ownership...

We subscribe to Capitalism for the metrics. Our form of socialism includes eminent domain, for the Good of The State.

As you know, eminent domain is for the benefit of the citizens.

 

[Papageorgio]

The right has nothing to do with the solutions you claim to have, to me your solutions in your towns don’t seem to be working. It is getting worse with no end in sight.

lol. you have to get back to after we have studied the results for a year.

California, Oregon, Washington have had years of left wing solutions and they keep getting worse, why is that? You keep telling us that left wingers only have solutions, why have these left wing cities in these left wing state not solved simple homelessness and simple poverty, filthy living conditions, higher disease rates, even a simple garbage issue, drug addiction and other issues that exist in these cities.

let me know once Persons can collect unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

You are the one claiming success, all you have is excuses and more homelessness, more poverty in your cities.

you are claiming that. i am claiming we have a market friendly solution.

You are claiming to have a solution, you have had those cities for a long time and they are getting worse, all those left wing mayors and left wing governors, you had a left wing President for 16 of the last 27 years.

We can’t the left wing prove they have the answers?

 

[bripat9643]

Does anyone think that American socialism is the same as Venezuelan socialism? Why or why not?

it is about management not labels.

And ownership...

We subscribe to Capitalism for the metrics. Our form of socialism includes eminent domain, for the Good of The State.

As you know, eminent domain is for the benefit of the citizens.

So is a lynching.

 

[Ame®icano]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.

simply "using the Other Peoples' money is socialism."

No, of course.

Government is social-ism.

Nope, it isn't.

 

[Ame®icano]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Nope. Socialism is state control of the economy. Try again.

No it's not.

You're confusing communism with socialism.

Did you go to school in the US anywhere from 1950 to 1980? If so you should have been taught that we have a hybrid of socialism and capitalism here in America.

That stopped being taught in our schools in the reagan years.

Hybrid of socialism and capitalism? What are you smoking?

 

[Ame®icano]

Brilliant....

In 2000, we had a $5 trillion US Federal Debt and a budget surplus...

When W was done selling out in 2009, we had an $11 trillion Federal Debt and a deficit of more than a trillion....

To have no concern for that is to out oneself as a ZIONIST.

ZIONIST = will murder, steal, and bankrupt America to help Israel, the biggest problem the US has today


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Budget surplus is a myth.

 

[Ame®icano]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...e4-a900-9960214d4cd7_story.html?noredirect=on

There are many cities with privately run police departments. They not only do a better job, but they do so for a lower cost.

There are also private roads as well. And if you didn't know, private roads are often a fraction of the cost of government union labor, and are built to the same quality.

Here's the problem with your argument.

We on the right-wing believe in something called Federalism.

Federalism is the idea that every group of people should govern themselves.

It is a fundamental belief that "one size fits all" policies don't work. That a rule governing New York, likely would not work, and may even be counter productive in Montana. That a policy that might work in San Fransisco, would work poorly in Miami.

It is the idea that the power of government should be moved as close to the people as possible.

This is why I do not actively oppose California implementing socialist programs and policies. Let them. If they bankrupt their entire state, that's on them.

What I have a problem with, is trying to force socialism on everyone, from Washington. That's where the rub comes. If you want implement that in Detroit, and bankrupt the city, that's on you. But don't force your bad policies on Columbus Ohio, if we don't want it.

Moreover, the big problem with having the Federal government pay for all this stuff, is that the Federal government can borrow and print money, that the states and cities cannot.

This gives stupid left-wingers the illusion that you can borrow and print money, forever, and pay for everything you want. But every country that has gone down that path, has failed. Venezuela, Cuba, Greece, and the Soviets before them.

In the end, you can't tax your way to prosperity, and no country ever has. You can't mandate success.

Lastly you like all left-wingers, mention several things when you talk about successful socialism....
Roads, Libraries (that you on the left have never gone to), Military, Police, Fire Department.

Now I always have to be amused by this, because you hate the military, hate the police, hate free speech and never go to libraries, you claim roads are a subsidy for the oil industry. The only thing on that list you people on the left-wing do not complain about, is the Fire Department.

Nevertheless.... When you calculate out all the costs of all those things combined.... we could cut taxes by 50%, and have enough money to cover all those things, and have money left over to pay down the US debt.

Excellent post.

Leftists claim that police, fire dept and libraries are form of socialism, and reason for claiming these services to be socialist because the government provides them.

As taxpayers, we elect our local public officials. We do this in order to delegate to them the responsibility of managing our cities, otherwise the whole body of the people would have to gather and make all decisions collectively. Our delegation of responsibility is not socialism.

Without police, fire dept, road services etc., each of us would have to devote some of own time to perform these necessary functions, just as we do so on our own property (lawn mowing, cleaning up the driveway). I live on private road, city has no responsibilities there, so we, the homeowners are maintaining it out of our own pockets and on own time.

As the size of municipalities grew this effort became too difficult to manage so the taxpayers again delegated their responsibilities to the local government. The burden to finance these services is borne by every person and the benefits in return are equally distributed. That is not socialism. Nobody is taking from one person to benefit another who provided nothing to it.

The military is mandated by the Constitution. It is also funded by all taxpayers and its mission is to serve all citizens equally. That is not socialism, neither.

Except, left wants us to believe that everything that comes from government is socialism, therefore socialism is good, and we should get more of it. The leftist socialist attempts to change definition into something that sounds more acceptable, such as "democratic socialism" isn't gonna change the fact that it is still the failed ideology.

 

[Ame®icano]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Wrong...socialism is the government controlling the means of production.

Duh, that's one form of socialism. Thanks for playing...

National socialism and communism are very, very different from Democratic Socialism here in America.

Socialism is failed ideology. We don't have democratic socialism in USA, we are constitutional Republic.

 

[Ame®icano]

The real question is, "Why are leftists so fucking stupid they think all government is 'socialism'?"

Or, alternatively, there's the question of, "Why do leftists insist on demanding answers to questions based on accepting their ignorance as fact?"

By leftist logic any sort of collective project funded by tax dollars and accomplished through government action is socialism.

It’s not difficult to see the problem with this line of thinking. Most of Americans are anti-statist and the identification of socialism with government is bad strategy that left uses to make socialism more appealing to Americans.

They wont say "Like the DMV? Then you’ll love socialism!" Because most of us hate DMV. So they changed the tactics, they now say "Like the libraries? Then you’ll love socialism!" If you don't, you hate kids.

Conflating all government action with socialism forces us to defend many of the most objectionable forms of state activity, including those that we would want to abolish in a free and just society.