Why do Republicans bash socialism - when it's all around them?

[danielpalos]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

 

[dblack]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government isn't socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

Dare I name some examples?

Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.

Who's bashing capitalism? I engage in it everyday - just like I do socialism. America is a blend of capitalism and socialism - democratic socialism.

Then why don't we see you posting threads highlighting the perks of capitalism then? Or how it has improved America?

Why? Because it's not democratic socialism you're after.

Curious MarcATL, where are you? You don't seem to be appreciative of the benefits capitalism has granted you.

What about this is funny, hmm? Where would you be in life without capitalism?

Here's a question you probably won't answer: What if it were pure socialism? Would you be praising it then?

No, you wouldn't. It is nothing but a facade.

You and Lakhota both know just how untenable socialism is as an economic concept. You don't see the free market imitating the socialist government programs in place do you? No. You go with what works, not with what suits your feelings.

You don't realize how much you need something until you lose it. Just imagine what America would be like if we suddenly devolved into a Keynesian economic system where all capitalist precepts were eliminated.

The people in Star Trek are exploring, Space, the Final Frontier.

 

[danielpalos]

I hate the fact these socialists are around, should relocate to Venezuela.

Libertarians should relocate to Somalia.

Libertarians promote freedom, very American.

What American values do you promote?

The only difference between libertarians and liberals is small government VS massive government.

That's not the only difference. Libertarians disagree with liberals not only on the size of government, but also on the scope. Government is a justifiable solution for some problems, but not all. Not most.

But for some reason the libertarians don't sound any different than liberals on USMB. They're both anti-Republican and don't seem to complain about Democrats much at all.

...because the right wing is worse.

 

[Papageorgio]

He asked you for a definition that supports you argument and you failed to supply it. So at this point you have no argument just your opinion backed by no facts. Posting for your sake of posting is not a valid argument. Either post the definition or you are just simply trolling and need to be reported as such.

it is a self-evident Truth, want to argue about it?

So you can't defend not giving the definition and posting it. Didn't think you could.

Government is social-ism in action.

Go ahead and show us the definition, we are still waiting.

So you can't defend not giving the definition and posting it. Didn't think you could.

Government is social-ism in action.

Socialism defined.

Example #1 All 4 of Al Gore's kids go to Harvard while his supporters go to a crappy community college somewhere.

Example #2 Obama family purchases 15 million, 8000 square foot water front property at Martha's Vineyard. But, his supporters must conserve and live with the AC set at 82 degrees and eat with a paper fork to support conservation.

Many more examples.

That is how socialism works. You make the sacrifices because you are not royalty and only a few can enjoy that privilege.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

You can repeatedly post a link, your parents must be real proud of you.

I claim it. You have to come up with arguments refuting it not simply claim you don't believe me because I haven't been plagiarizing.

You can claim any bullshit you want, it doesn’t make it true. If you make a claim, you need to defend your argument. That is how it works. Thanks for admitting you have no link to support it. Quit trolling.

 

[Papageorgio]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government is not socialism, I claim it, prove me wrong.

 

[danielpalos]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government isn't socialism.

you don't have a valid rebuttal. simple rejection is a fallacy. want to argue about it?

 

[dblack]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government is not socialism, I claim it, prove me wrong.

Socialism is a type of government. While it's perfectly valid to say "Socialism is government", the reverse is a logical fallacy. It makes as much sense as saying "Government is theocracy" or "Government is fascism".

Now, I don't know whether Daniel is so fucking stoned/stupid that he doesn't grasp this, or it's just part of his troll routine. I suspect the latter. He's seems to get his rocks off fucking with people.

 

[danielpalos]

it is a self-evident Truth, want to argue about it?

So you can't defend not giving the definition and posting it. Didn't think you could.

Government is social-ism in action.

Go ahead and show us the definition, we are still waiting.

Government is social-ism in action.

Socialism defined.

Example #1 All 4 of Al Gore's kids go to Harvard while his supporters go to a crappy community college somewhere.

Example #2 Obama family purchases 15 million, 8000 square foot water front property at Martha's Vineyard. But, his supporters must conserve and live with the AC set at 82 degrees and eat with a paper fork to support conservation.

Many more examples.

That is how socialism works. You make the sacrifices because you are not royalty and only a few can enjoy that privilege.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

You can repeatedly post a link, your parents must be real proud of you.

I claim it. You have to come up with arguments refuting it not simply claim you don't believe me because I haven't been plagiarizing.

You can claim any bullshit you want, it doesn’t make it true. If you make a claim, you need to defend your argument. That is how it works. Thanks for admitting you have no link to support it. Quit trolling.

it is a self-evident truth. want to argue about it?

 

[danielpalos]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government is not socialism, I claim it, prove me wrong.

The public sector must be socialism because our private sector is capitalism.

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

 

[danielpalos]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government is not socialism, I claim it, prove me wrong.

Socialism is a type of government. While it's perfectly valid to say "Socialism is government", the reverse is a logical fallacy. It makes as much sense as saying "Government is theocracy" or "Government is fascism".

Now, I don't know whether Daniel is so fucking stoned/stupid that he doesn't grasp this, or it's just part of his troll routine. I suspect the latter. He's seems to get his rocks off fucking with people.

telling stories is what you do best. men know how to argue.

 

[Papageorgio]

So you can't defend not giving the definition and posting it. Didn't think you could.

Government is social-ism in action.

Go ahead and show us the definition, we are still waiting.

Socialism defined.

Example #1 All 4 of Al Gore's kids go to Harvard while his supporters go to a crappy community college somewhere.

Example #2 Obama family purchases 15 million, 8000 square foot water front property at Martha's Vineyard. But, his supporters must conserve and live with the AC set at 82 degrees and eat with a paper fork to support conservation.

Many more examples.

That is how socialism works. You make the sacrifices because you are not royalty and only a few can enjoy that privilege.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

You can repeatedly post a link, your parents must be real proud of you.

I claim it. You have to come up with arguments refuting it not simply claim you don't believe me because I haven't been plagiarizing.

You can claim any bullshit you want, it doesn’t make it true. If you make a claim, you need to defend your argument. That is how it works. Thanks for admitting you have no link to support it. Quit trolling.

it is a self-evident truth. want to argue about it?

Argue about nothing? You can’t prove anything, you make up shit and then claim it is true, who the fuck can argue your stupidity. All you are doing is trolling.

 

[danielpalos]

Government is social-ism in action.

Go ahead and show us the definition, we are still waiting.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

You can repeatedly post a link, your parents must be real proud of you.

I claim it. You have to come up with arguments refuting it not simply claim you don't believe me because I haven't been plagiarizing.

You can claim any bullshit you want, it doesn’t make it true. If you make a claim, you need to defend your argument. That is how it works. Thanks for admitting you have no link to support it. Quit trolling.

it is a self-evident truth. want to argue about it?

Argue about nothing? You can’t prove anything, you make up shit and then claim it is true, who the fuck can argue your stupidity. All you are doing is trolling.

There are no private sector means of production in the public sector.

 

[Papageorgio]

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government is not socialism, I claim it, prove me wrong.

Socialism is a type of government. While it's perfectly valid to say "Socialism is government", the reverse is a logical fallacy. It makes as much sense as saying "Government is theocracy" or "Government is fascism".

Now, I don't know whether Daniel is so fucking stoned/stupid that he doesn't grasp this, or it's just part of his troll routine. I suspect the latter. He's seems to get his rocks off fucking with people.

telling stories is what you do best. men know how to argue.

Well let’s see, before your pathetic ass was born a man by the name of Goldwater was predicting the outcome if adopted and fighting socialism, then there was this guy Buckley, Friedman....saying the same thing, but wait you weren’t even born then, and surely they didn’t teach you in school.

We have a better understanding of economics now. Government is socialism.

Government is not socialism, I claim it, prove me wrong.

Socialism is a type of government. While it's perfectly valid to say "Socialism is government", the reverse is a logical fallacy. It makes as much sense as saying "Government is theocracy" or "Government is fascism".

Now, I don't know whether Daniel is so fucking stoned/stupid that he doesn't grasp this, or it's just part of his troll routine. I suspect the latter. He's seems to get his rocks off fucking with people.

He is nothing but a troll, he posts nonsense, can’t explain what he posts. Just uses his own dumb circular logic with absolutely nothing to back his statements up with. I have tried to engage with him and he spews nonsense. I’m done wasting my time.

 

[danielpalos]

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

 

[Papageorgio]

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

 

[danielpalos]

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

The right wing is worse. I already read about "turn of the century Iron Mill towns, for sake of capital profit."

 

[Papageorgio]

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

The right wing is worse. I already read about "turn of the century Iron Mill towns, for sake of capital profit."

You claim the left has solutions. Is your left solution just to claim the other side is worse? Not much of a solution. What are the solutions, drive off tourists and conventions and continue to let cities regress into more crime, drugs, homelessness, lawlessness and riots and then just claim the other side is worse?

 

[danielpalos]

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

The right wing is worse. I already read about "turn of the century Iron Mill

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

The right wing is worse. I already read about "turn of the century Iron Mill towns, for sake of capital profit."

You claim the left has solutions. Is your left solution just to claim the other side is worse? Not much of a solution. What are the solutions, drive off tourists and conventions and continue to let cities regress into more crime, drugs, homelessness, lawlessness and riots and then just claim the other side is worse?

Simply being disingenuous and claiming you are right simply because you are on the right wing, is even less convincing.

 

[Papageorgio]

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

The right wing is worse. I already read about "turn of the century Iron Mill

You all have nothing but simple rejection not any form of valid refutation. Go ahead and be mere tyrants with your majority.

The left has solutions not not excuses.

Left solutions like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit? They created poverty, high crime, homelessness and disease. Seems like the left solutions just exacerbate the problems.

The right wing is worse. I already read about "turn of the century Iron Mill towns, for sake of capital profit."

You claim the left has solutions. Is your left solution just to claim the other side is worse? Not much of a solution. What are the solutions, drive off tourists and conventions and continue to let cities regress into more crime, drugs, homelessness, lawlessness and riots and then just claim the other side is worse?

Simply being disingenuous and claiming you are right simply because you are on the right wing, is even less convincing.

Didn’t say I was right, I asked you for solutions and gave you examples of left wing cities, the solutions in the left wing cities is higher homelessness, higher crime, filthier living conditions, higher rate of diseases, more garbage strewn through the city, more riots, higher drug problems, lower standard of living, less tourism, fewer conventions bringing money into their cities. I am simply asking if these left wing solutions in left wing towns? Is this the desired standard of the left? If it is fine, however I don’t believe they are working out well for all involved, do you?