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*yawn*
Same old same old anti-Christian loons...
What's fresh and new about your sentiment?.
We're supposed to be impressed by you?
The OP starts trolling by mentioning the "anti-god crowd" without defining who he means, and accusing these nameless of attacking the Bible with no evidence of such.
He means the anti-God crowd who flock to every thread about God to attack, demean, and bemoan.
You, among others.
What's fresh and new about your sentiment?.
We're supposed to be impressed by you?
The OP starts trolling by mentioning the "anti-god crowd" without defining who he means, and accusing these nameless of attacking the Bible with no evidence of such.
He means the anti-God crowd who flock to every thread about God to attack, demean, and bemoan.
You, among others.
Persecution complex....it's what you do.
He means the anti-God crowd who flock to every thread about God to attack, demean, and bemoan.
You, among others.
Persecution complex....it's what you do.
Bodecea.... I do not understand what Takei thing means... But I assume it is synonymous with Gay. Do you realize that Loving another person is never a bad thing? Even if it's someone your own sex. Now, the bible says that sex with another of your same sex is a sin, and it I believe that it's true. However, the act of love is not, love is never a bad thing. Sex with another man is in my opinion no more of a sin than pre-marital sex, adultery, or any other sexual sin.
No...I don't persecute you or anyone else who is a sinner... which means... all of us. All I ask is this... Don't hate God... don't even hate God's people who tend to make you feel small. We are all only human and we have our faults... one of those faults is piety and judgmental-ism. You...or anyone else who is homosexual is doomed to hell. There are all things that people do not understand... But trust me... God does understand.
Persecution complex....it's what you do.
Bodecea.... I do not understand what Takei thing means... But I assume it is synonymous with Gay. Do you realize that Loving another person is never a bad thing? Even if it's someone your own sex. Now, the bible says that sex with another of your same sex is a sin, and it I believe that it's true. However, the act of love is not, love is never a bad thing. Sex with another man is in my opinion no more of a sin than pre-marital sex, adultery, or any other sexual sin.
No...I don't persecute you or anyone else who is a sinner... which means... all of us. All I ask is this... Don't hate God... don't even hate God's people who tend to make you feel small. We are all only human and we have our faults... one of those faults is piety and judgmental-ism. You...or anyone else who is homosexual is doomed to hell. There are all things that people do not understand... But trust me... God does understand.
How nice...not only do you people come to my door, now you're here....Whoopy! The Goddess of Irony is rather amused at me at the moment and is in a teasing mood.
Sigh. The bible says this. The bible says that. God fearing. Lake of eternal fire. Damnation. Where is the love Jesus taught? Oh. wait. I know. Forgotten. Dismissed.
Oh. Never mind. FORUM. Duh.
But.....(and you knew that was coming)...this topic is about WHY. Ain't it?
Oh. Never mind. FORUM. Duh.
But.....(and you knew that was coming)...this topic is about WHY. Ain't it?
Yes... I know this is about why. But what I am trying to explain is that while I understand the why, you also have to realize that even Christians are ever learning, ever evolving in their faith.
Let's take a look at the word "Faith" for a second. Let me ask... would a person of "faith" demand punishment or persecution of people that they consider "sinners" in this lifetime, when there is a God that is very capable of meting out that punishment in the next?
I have to ask.... where is their faith?
Oh. Never mind. FORUM. Duh.
But.....(and you knew that was coming)...this topic is about WHY. Ain't it?
Yes... I know this is about why. But what I am trying to explain is that while I understand the why, you also have to realize that even Christians are ever learning, ever evolving in their faith.
Let's take a look at the word "Faith" for a second. Let me ask... would a person of "faith" demand punishment or persecution of people that they consider "sinners" in this lifetime, when there is a God that is very capable of meting out that punishment in the next?
I have to ask.... where is their faith?
Most christians I have met do not have an open mind about anything. Their focus is on what a BOOK says. A book written by man, for man. A book translated so many times no telling how many were warped to suit the political agendas of that day and time. A book missing many chapters and gospels because of the same political agendas. A book. Ignore the kindness and love Jesus came to preach. Ignore what he said. Stay with THE BOOK. Y'all worship that thing like the hebrews worshipped the golden calf while moses was getting some laws. But that story is from THE BOOK as well so how do we know the real facts? FAITH. And mine is very very different from most christians. Unless they are as open as I am to think 'what if" and question God and Jesus both but never act opposite of what Jesus taught.
Yes... I know this is about why. But what I am trying to explain is that while I understand the why, you also have to realize that even Christians are ever learning, ever evolving in their faith.
Let's take a look at the word "Faith" for a second. Let me ask... would a person of "faith" demand punishment or persecution of people that they consider "sinners" in this lifetime, when there is a God that is very capable of meting out that punishment in the next?
I have to ask.... where is their faith?
Most christians I have met do not have an open mind about anything. Their focus is on what a BOOK says. A book written by man, for man. A book translated so many times no telling how many were warped to suit the political agendas of that day and time. A book missing many chapters and gospels because of the same political agendas. A book. Ignore the kindness and love Jesus came to preach. Ignore what he said. Stay with THE BOOK. Y'all worship that thing like the hebrews worshipped the golden calf while moses was getting some laws. But that story is from THE BOOK as well so how do we know the real facts? FAITH. And mine is very very different from most christians. Unless they are as open as I am to think 'what if" and question God and Jesus both but never act opposite of what Jesus taught.
Ok... Like I said To Bodecea... I understand your angst. But... why are you throwing me(not that I personally care) in with the people you are angry at? Look at my posts..
I believe VERY MUCH in what he said. The things that mean the most to me is "judge not, lest ye be judged". Do not tell your brother about the mote in their eye, without first removing the log from your own... let those without sin, cast the first stone, and finally.... love one another.
Those are four verses dedicated DIRECTLY towards not condemning your fellow man... right from Jesus' mouth... right from the New Testament. I challenge any fundamental Christian to find four examples in the New Testament that condemn Homosexuals, or any other type of sinner that can't be counteracted by those four examples of Christ's actual views.
I am still waiting for your response to this.
You really are brainwashed believing what you spew.
Let me show you why you believe lies. Most everything you believe is built on imagination.
Natural selection is what keeps the gene pool strong and helps keeping the group alive and removing the weaker genes and defective genes and of course mutations.
If there was no natural selection we and all organisms would die off.
Natural selection is what would work against evolution because it would remove mutations that are not solidified in the gene pool.
How could a non-thinking and non-intelligent natural process think and create all the vital organs it would take for an organism to live ?
Micro-adaptations;
Fact #1 produce the same kind of plant or animal because of the DNA code barrier. Never will a cow produce a non-cow.
Micro-adaptations ;
Fact #2 result from the sorting or the loss of genetic information.
Fact # 3 scientist know of no way for nature to add appreciable amounts of new & beneficial genetic information to a gene pool.
Neo-darwinism is based on three false assumptions.
1. Mutations create new & beneficial genetic data.
2. Natural selection lets the mutant gene take over the population.
3. Needs long ages for this to happen millions of years ,given enough time they claim a bacteria cell overcame the law of abiogenesis and all mathematical possibility and came to life and then mutated its way to everything alive now,whew talk about faith. and they say it ended up the thing they call the ultimate mutation,you and I.
Here is a problem for you darwinist.
All observed mutations after millions of observations,mutations are caused by the sorting or loss of pre-existing genetic data. This is Gene Depletion. Gene depletion applies to Micro-adaptations and mutations,so they get weaker and weaker until they're removed by Natural Selection.
NATURAL SELECTION PREVENTS EVOLUTION FROM BEING POSSIBLE.
So you're being taught mutations + Natural Selection leads to Neo-darwinian Evolution.
But real science reveals based on millions of observations; DNA code barrier + Gene depletion + Natural Selection is what prevents Macro-evolution. Macro-evolution is an impossibility.
Example; You see , when breeding you breed out information you're not breeding in new information.
Let's say you're breeding boxers two purebreds.well it took several different breeds to create the boxer to begin with, what happens is through natural selection every generation after the first two boxers they would breed out information and the gene pool gets smaller and smaller and than Natural Selection weeds out the information of the other dogs it took to create the boxer in the first place. So unless another breed is introduced to the gene pool those boxers will only have genetic information to produce boxers and this is factual evidence.
Since you probably subscribe to this Neo Darwinism and believe that Natural selection allows a mutant gene to take over a gene pool.
Since most mutations are neutral or harmful to the organism how come humans are not crippled ,deformed,or dead since Nathral selection would allow harmful mutations to take over a population according to your faulty belief ?
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We have two choices, life began from a bowl of soup or we were a product of intelligent design.
You already quoted that! Natural Selection doesnt work in the way you describe. Natural selection has nothing to do with weeding out bad genes like some sort of magic trick. Its how life responds to the environment. If the environment changes the segment of the gene pool best equipped to handle that change will survive and flourish better than others.
Example: Nearly every cell in every living organism needs oxygen for a biological process called cellular respiration, it is the metabolic process of a single cell. The first animals gathered oxygen from the water through their gills. Once plants had diversified enough, and the atmosphere had sufficient levels of oxygen via photosynthesis, animals gradually migrated to land because the availability of free oxygen allows the organism to expend less energy gathering it for cellular respiration.
Finally,someone attempted an answer to this.
Wrong, when you breed you breed out information not in information so by breeding out information the gene pool gets smaller and smaller until the information from all the other dog's needed to make a boxer that is all the information that is left,information to make a boxer.
Over time bad genes can be eliminated from a bloodline because the strong survive. It get's weeded out,a mutation cannot take over a gene pool ,if that was the case we would be deformed,stricken with disease,or dead because all the harmful mutations that exist.
Silly boy,just by looking at those teeth you can determine whether the T-rex was a carnivore ?Wow you're a great scientist.
The T-rex could have been primarily a scavenger ,he had shallowly rooted teeth. Big sharp teeth are found on vegetarians too.
First off have you ever seen the teeth of a panda bear ? They're vegetarians.
And there is the Australian fruit bat what a savage looking creature. He flies around Australia and rips up and eats fruit.
Muskdeerskull,vegetarian.
http://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/images/collections/mammals/ungulata/muskdeerskull.jpg
omnivorous hedgehog
http://chestofbooks.com/animals/Man...of-the-common-Hedgehog-Eriuaceus-Europaeu.jpg
The bible say's there was no death until the fall of adam. God gave the ok for them to start eating meat after the flood,both man and beast. that is when God said man and animals would be at odds with each other.
Man of science, another thing for you to consider. We creationist believe in Micro-adaptations changes within a species. We know this to be fact because of the darwins galapagos finches. When the droughts came the short beak finche was dying off through natural selection while the finche adapted by growing longer beaks and these finches flourished during times of drought. But what happened when the droughts were over hey the short beak finche made a come back so they were adapting back to what they once were. That is how you get so many finches not evolution but Micro-adaptations.
That is why we have so many different dog's,cat's,horses,monkey's, so on and so on.
Ive told you this before, panda bears eat meat as well.
Well their main diet is bamboo so why do they still need those rippers ?
Good grief, you just aren't very smart, are you?
And here I thought you were...
THE SMARTEST POSTER ON THE BOARD!!!
And of course we know that you are......
Listen you leave allie alone, we know that you're not so move on.
Would you like proof of the transititon from gills to lung? Or fish to Amphibian? Ok.
Lungfish - Lungfish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How about this?
Coelacanth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"According to genetic evidence the divergence of coelacanths, lungfish, and tetrapods is thought to have occurred 390 million years ago."[4]
Source: [4]:^ a b Johanson, Zerina, John A. Long, John A. Talent, Philippe Janvier, and James W. Warren. "Oldest Coelacanth, from the Early Devonian of Australia." Biology Letters 2.3 (2006): 443-46. Print.
You can even see the transition from gills to lung in a single organism. Tadpoles have gills, when they become frogs they have lungs. Frogs even have a primitive bronchial system. They "swallow air", because the amphibian respiratory system hasnt developed; or rather it did, and those amphibians in which it developed became reptiles, and then mammals.
Coelacanth:
the world's oldest fish?
Quick-read this article:
Evolutionary scientists used to think that amphibians evolved from a group of fishes that included the coelacanth, which was known only from fossils. But they dropped this idea when living coelacanths were found from 1938 showing no evidence of evolution from the oldest fossil coelacanths to the living examples.The evidence from the coelacanth is good evidence for creation, for it shows that DNA, the genetic code, has remained stable throughout time.
When a living coelacanth fish was found in 1938 it was hailed as the scientific sensation of the century. Until then, the coelacanth (pronounced SEE'-luh-canth) was known to science only from fossils. Scientists generally believed coelacanths had become extinct 60 or 70 million years ago. Since 1938 many more living coelacanths have been caught.
All coelacanths, living and fossil, are members of a group of fishes called Crossopterygians. It is this group that most evolutionists believe evolved into amphibians and all land vertebrates — including humans.
Before the discovery of living coelacanths (photo at left shows museum official Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer with the 1938 specimen), evolutionists assumed that the fish's internal organs would be “part way” evolving from those of ordinary fish to those of amphibians.
But the living coelacanths showed no evidence that their soft parts were starting to adapt for use on land. So it was conceded that the coelacanth was obviously not the ancestor of amphibians after all.
Did anything evolve?
So evolutionists looked for another type of fish that would fit their belief that fish evolved into the creatures that dwell both on land and in water — the amphibians. There was no strong evidence, but they decided that another member of the Crossopterygian group of fishes — the rhipidistian — might have evolved into an amphibian.
How did they decide that rhipidistian fishes could have evolved into amphibians? The idea grew out of their study of similarities in skeletons of rhipidistians and what they believe were “early” amphibians. But in reality there is a vast difference between rhipidistians and amphibians.
Using even the evolutionists' time scale, which some scientists dispute, the coelacanth is the same fish it supposedly was hundreds of millions of years ago. It is surely strange that the coelacanth could remain so stable all this time, both genetically and morphologically, while its cousin the rhipidistian was supposedly evolving the mind-boggling number of changes required to transform it eventually into a human.
The evidence from the coelacanth is good evidence for creation, for it shows that DNA, the genetic code, has remained stable throughout time. In other words, the coelacanth has reproduced after its kind just like the Bible's book of Genesis said fishes would!
Photo credits: Drawing of coelacanth by former FishBase artist Robbie Cada; photo of Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer with the mounted coelacanth in 1938, courtesy Goosens family website. (Hendrik Goosen was the fisherman from whose catch the 1938 coelacanth came).
Juvenile coelacanths filmed off Indonesia's Sulawesi Island on October 6, 2009:
Story from The Japan Times
Short video of young coelacanth
Coelacanth -- the fish that defied evolution
Oh. Never mind. FORUM. Duh.
But.....(and you knew that was coming)...this topic is about WHY. Ain't it?
Yes... I know this is about why. But what I am trying to explain is that while I understand the why, you also have to realize that even Christians are ever learning, ever evolving in their faith.
Let's take a look at the word "Faith" for a second. Let me ask... would a person of "faith" demand punishment or persecution of people that they consider "sinners" in this lifetime, when there is a God that is very capable of meting out that punishment in the next?
I have to ask.... where is their faith?
Most christians I have met do not have an open mind about anything. Their focus is on what a BOOK says. A book written by man, for man. A book translated so many times no telling how many were warped to suit the political agendas of that day and time. A book missing many chapters and gospels because of the same political agendas. A book. Ignore the kindness and love Jesus came to preach. Ignore what he said. Stay with THE BOOK. Y'all worship that thing like the hebrews worshipped the golden calf while moses was getting some laws. But that story is from THE BOOK as well so how do we know the real facts? FAITH. And mine is very very different from most christians. Unless they are as open as I am to think 'what if" and question God and Jesus both but never act opposite of what Jesus taught.
Yes... I know this is about why. But what I am trying to explain is that while I understand the why, you also have to realize that even Christians are ever learning, ever evolving in their faith.
Let's take a look at the word "Faith" for a second. Let me ask... would a person of "faith" demand punishment or persecution of people that they consider "sinners" in this lifetime, when there is a God that is very capable of meting out that punishment in the next?
I have to ask.... where is their faith?
Most christians I have met do not have an open mind about anything. Their focus is on what a BOOK says. A book written by man, for man. A book translated so many times no telling how many were warped to suit the political agendas of that day and time. A book missing many chapters and gospels because of the same political agendas. A book. Ignore the kindness and love Jesus came to preach. Ignore what he said. Stay with THE BOOK. Y'all worship that thing like the hebrews worshipped the golden calf while moses was getting some laws. But that story is from THE BOOK as well so how do we know the real facts? FAITH. And mine is very very different from most christians. Unless they are as open as I am to think 'what if" and question God and Jesus both but never act opposite of what Jesus taught.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, wrong as it may be. The point is, you don't (I think) feel compelled to seek Christians out in order to jeer at, point fingers, and practice your immature and uneducated opinions of the origin of life, and man, and the nature of the universe...which you believe is a superior view because it includes a lack of belief in Christ.
And one of the things that baffles me about people who feel compelled to attack the bible and Christians...why do they think we are in a competition with them in regards to behavior? I do not expect non believers to act in the same way as Christians, nor does it matter to me when they don't. Whether or not the people I meet are good people or good Christians has nothing to do with my own faith. Each person has a personal relationship with god, and if they decide not to, that is a personal decision also and while I would like to see everybody in heaven, I respect their desire to believe what they believe.
Also when I hear someone (generally a non believer) say that people aren't good Christians, or that they are *just as good* as christians, I wonder, how do they know that?
A Christian does not judge another's relationship (or non) with god. Neither do they expect anybody to achieve perfection in terms of goodness.
So why do non-believers always say "My satan worshipping/atheist/mud puppy friends is a MUCH better Christian than any real Christian in the whole wide world"?
