Why does the left believe a corporate tax break "steals" money from the taxpayers?

[thereisnospoon]

I've never heard of a case where the government increased the taxpayer's tax rate, because some corporation got a tax break.

Please point that out to me if you can.

You can't be this retarded, can you?

Maybe you'd like to answer the question then:

Show me a single instance where the government increased the taxpayer's tax rate, because some corporation got a tax break.

And that answers my question.

It must be free computer access day at the group home today.

You can't, can you? I ask you to provide some proof of something, and all you can do is hurl insults.

If I provided proof, would you understand it?

You don't have it....
Cue the C&P opinion piece from some left wing blog

 

[thereisnospoon]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Every dollar a corporation doesn't pay in taxes has to be paid by someone else,

all else being equal.

I've never heard of a case where the government increased the taxpayer's tax rate, because some corporation got a tax break.

Please point that out to me if you can.

You can't be this retarded, can you?

/----/ are you mentally capable of debating a topic using reason and fact or just with idiotic insults?

Let's be honest. One of us is actually retarded and the other used to feel bad for people like you. Don't worry, I don't feel bad for you anymore. Now I just come here for a laugh and be thankful I didn't end up with your life.

So what's it like being retarded and unsuccessful?

 

[thereisnospoon]

You can't be this retarded, can you?

Maybe you'd like to answer the question then:

Show me a single instance where the government increased the taxpayer's tax rate, because some corporation got a tax break.

And that answers my question.

It must be free computer access day at the group home today.

You can't, can you? I ask you to provide some proof of something, and all you can do is hurl insults.

If I provided proof, would you understand it?

/----/ Try me. I've been in business for 40 years.

Evil no tax paying capitalist son of a bitch..
I bet you pay your employees less than $50 per hour .
You union busting prick

 

[TheDude]

Cuz they're dumb and indoctrinated, that's why.

It's a problem of analysis. PERFECT examples are the Reagan & Clinton years.

Liberals point to how Clinton raised taxes on corporations. Because of a great economy, they figure higher taxes are the cause, or at least that they're mutually exclusive. But then there's reality.

A. Reagan pulled us from a shit economy to our greatest state. One of the primary reasons was tax deductions.

B. There are two reasons Clinton was able to raise taxes. One was because of Reaganomics itself, as the impact was economically powerful. The companies could withstand the hit, at least in the short term. The other reason was the dot.com explosion. Raising corporate taxes was actually good policy, but only for the short term. On a side, few people realize we entered a recession before Bush Jr. took office.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Every dollar a corporation doesn't pay in taxes has to be paid by someone else,

all else being equal.

The zero sum game.
It does not exist.
Every dollar paid by a business, gets passed along to the end user.
Every dollar not recovered by a business is removed from the bottom line. Meaning. one less dollar to add to the labor budget. One less dollar to the equipment budget, etc.
Taxation removes money from the economy.

Taxation does not remove money from the economy unless it goes overseas.

Where do you think taxes collected to pay for building fighter jets, for example, goes?

hint...this is where you ignore the question to pretend you're not full of shit.

 

[Rustic]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Because progressives are fucking morons, envy rules their lives.

 

[Rustic]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Every dollar a corporation doesn't pay in taxes has to be paid by someone else,

all else being equal.

/----/ Not true. Letting people keep more of their hard earned money costs nothing.

We have 20 trillion in debt proving that is wrong.

Fuck face... and the fucking federal still has a spending problem, not the other way around. You dense motherfucker.
Feds Collect Record Income and Payroll Taxes Through March--Still Run $526,855,000,000 Deficit

 

[xband]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Eliminate capital gains.

 

[Rustic]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Let me explain something to you. 87% of lost manufacturing jobs that were lost in the last 25 years were automated. They didn't move overseas, they were taken over with less expensive machinery. These machines can work all night in the dark. They don't need healthcare, they don't get injured.

And yet, manufacturing output has more than doubled during that time. These companies are making money hand over fist. They are located within this country. They use American water and land and resources and they aren't paying more now than they were paying before. They are paying less thanks to Republicans who think the country exists to support companies who don't pay their fair share. And one of those costs is living in a safe and stable country where those companies can continue to exist and prosper. They aren't paying security because WE ARE the security.

In Russia, Putin forced families to turn over their money and assets and that made him the wealthiest man in the world. That doesn't happen here. But if these companies keep taking advantage of this country, ripping us off and stripping the US of it's wealth and natural resources, it's inevitable. A logical outcome. It can't be explained any more simply than that.

Only Republicans fight to make less. They want to repeal the minimum wage. They are against education. It's as if they are determined to keep themselves down and ruin the lives of their children. All they stand for is bad. That's it. Just bad.

...And taxes going to the federal government is a good thing? Redistribution is a good thing? Since when has the federal government not abused The revenues they have collected?
You motherfuckers are so fucking gullible it's sad. No wonder Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet it's the people that want it want it are fucked in the head.

 

[Rustic]

Every dollar a corporation doesn't pay in taxes has to be paid by someone else,

all else being equal.

/----/ Not true. Letting people keep more of their hard earned money costs nothing.

We have 20 trillion in debt proving that is wrong.

Half of that being Obama's doing. If you remember the national debt was only something like $9 Trillion when GW left office.

And where did that $10 Trillion dollars Obama ran up go to?

To pay for Shrub's two wars of choice (off the books), unfunded Medicare drug benefit, and bankster bailout?

Practically all of our debt can be traced to the fact that we stopped paying for wars after Vietnam.

Socialist entitlement programs are the biggest fucking rip off the planet has ever seen… That's where all the fucking money is being wasted. You stupid motherfucker

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Every dollar a corporation doesn't pay in taxes has to be paid by someone else,

all else being equal.

/----/ Not true. Letting people keep more of their hard earned money costs nothing.

We have 20 trillion in debt proving that is wrong.

Fuck face... and the fucking federal still has a spending problem, not the other way around. You dense motherfucker.
Feds Collect Record Income and Payroll Taxes Through March--Still Run $526,855,000,000 Deficit

The purse strings are in the hands of the GOP. Trump has no intention of even attempting to balance the budget.
His intent is to make it worse.

 

[NYcarbineer]

/----/ Not true. Letting people keep more of their hard earned money costs nothing.

We have 20 trillion in debt proving that is wrong.

Half of that being Obama's doing. If you remember the national debt was only something like $9 Trillion when GW left office.

And where did that $10 Trillion dollars Obama ran up go to?

To pay for Shrub's two wars of choice (off the books), unfunded Medicare drug benefit, and bankster bailout?

Practically all of our debt can be traced to the fact that we stopped paying for wars after Vietnam.

Socialist entitlement programs are the biggest fucking rip off the planet has ever seen… That's where all the fucking money is being wasted. You stupid motherfucker

You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's look at how good a job corporations are doing with passing along those tax cuts to their employees

The chart is irrelevant because it reflects the Obama years. Corporations were putting back their profits because they didn't know what that socialist fuckstick was going to do.

Seems everything went to shit in 2002

Guess who was president

How did it "go to shit"? Corporate profits rose because we went to war. You do remember that war, right? There was a momentary spike in wages and salaries in 2009 but that was only due to Obama's massive increase in the size of the government and his bogus "stimulus package". The stimulus package didn't create anything but government jobs or payed back to the labor unions for their support. But as you can see, it didn't work because the wages and salaries continued to drop throughout the Obama years.

None of those profits went to the workers
Just like tax cuts never go to the workers

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

/----/ Who picks up the tab for the 47% who pay no income tax?

It's Republican tax policy that created the 47% who pay no income tax,

and Trump's tax plan will increase that number.

/-----/ It's the Democrats who raised taxes the most.
Parties For Taxes: Republicans Vs. Democrats

That's why it has been Republicans that have added most to the national debt! Cutting taxes without cutting the spending has done nothing but put off today what you can pay tomorrow, and that is precisely why our national debt is so high!

Thanks a mil, Repubs! NOT!

Fucking twit, it was Obama who took the debt from 9 trillion dollars, to 19 trillion dollars, even when raising taxes on everyone(that he lied he wouldn't). I don't remember Obama running on the Republican platform either, you worthless tard. Also Obama took over 1/6th the economy by fucking up healthcare, but you don't give a shit about that either, as long as everyone is fucked, then you don't care.(cant say happy, because a liberal cant find happiness).

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Fucking up healthcare?

All those states that are complaining they only have one provider didn't have any before Obamacare. You know that right?

How can you fuck up something you never had?

You know, instead of just repeating GOP talking points and posting pictures of GOP talking points, perhaps it might be a new adventure for you to actually learn something and then give your own talking points. It's way more satisfying. Try it. You'll see.

Because moron, hundreds of thousands of people were no longer allowed to buy health care or not, that you dictator FORCED , by phone and pen, those willingly uninsured to HAVE to be insured. So much for CHOICE. Dumbass.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I'm going to show you Libertarian Rand Paul's video. He points out the tax code is 70 thousand pages.

What do you think those 70 thousand pages are?

Tax expenditures. Deductions, credits, exemptions.

Rand Paul then explains his tax plan would be a one page tax return, and would result in a 14.5% tax rate.

There is only one way you can have a one page tax return with a low tax rate, kids.

Wake up. Getting rid of deductions, credits, and exemptions is not a liberal thing. It's a core conservative/libertarian thing.

To get a one page tax return, means that you do away with the FAILED agencies, like HUD, DHS, DOED, DOEN, IRS, Welfare, and other bullshit wasteful spending programs.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Everyone who works for that company also pays taxes. Taxes are paid on everything that corporation buys. Lowered corporate taxes actually means more taxes collected overall.

Democrats have successfully convinced the poor that they pay more in taxes than corporations even though the poor actually pay no taxes at all. It's a slight of imagination. They believe, therefore it is.

The working poor pay property taxes (included in rent), withholding, SS taxes, gas taxes, and sales taxes. The only tax they don't pay is income tax. It is a fiction and a falsehood to say the poor don't pay taxes.

It is also a falsehood that the rich don't pay their fair share. They pay the most, the poor pay the least. So much for FAIRNESS...
I was in the poor category when I entered the work force, but instead of being a sorry ass liberal, feeling sorry for myself, I got off my ass and got skills that took me overseas, where I amassed a small fortune, now I am in the top income earners. To you liberals I am Evil, but why isn't Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Al Gore, or Hollywood elites Evil? Fucking hypocrites.

 

[Moonglow]

Everyone who works for that company also pays taxes. Taxes are paid on everything that corporation buys. Lowered corporate taxes actually means more taxes collected overall.

Democrats have successfully convinced the poor that they pay more in taxes than corporations even though the poor actually pay no taxes at all. It's a slight of imagination. They believe, therefore it is.

The working poor pay property taxes (included in rent), withholding, SS taxes, gas taxes, and sales taxes. The only tax they don't pay is income tax. It is a fiction and a falsehood to say the poor don't pay taxes.

It is also a falsehood that the rich don't pay their fair share. They pay the most, the poor pay the least. So much for FAIRNESS...
I was in the poor category when I entered the work force, but instead of being a sorry ass liberal, feeling sorry for myself, I got off my ass and got skills that took me overseas, where I amassed a small fortune, now I am in the top income earners. To you liberals I am Evil, but why isn't Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Al Gore, or Hollywood elites Evil? Fucking hypocrites.

They also have the largest percentage of the wealth, dumbass..So of course they will pay the highest percentage of taxes....You are evil because you are a dickhead...

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

/----/ Libtards have a second issue as well. They can't grasp the notion that corporations treat taxes as overhead that gets passed on to the consumer. In effect, corporate taxes are taxes on the consumer.

So lower taxes on a corporation allows them to buy more capital equipment and materials, to give more raises to existing employees, to hire more employees, to keep from outsourcing to foreign countries, and to keep the price of their product affordable.

That's a win-win situation.

Then why is it when we lower taxes on corporations, they just keep the money?

If they could sell more product, they would already be doing it. We have been cutting taxes on corporations since Reagan.....wages have been flat

Could the wages be flat, because those produced out of public education, DONT FUCKING DESERVE the wages that you suggest? Why should burger flipper or fry cook, be paid the same as a college educated puke, who cant do anything physical, and cant add or subtract? Oh they got their degree, but the best they can do is make coffee or bag groceries? Real physical jobs like fixing aircraft, or putting roofs on a house, have become the higher paid jobs, because of their rarity, you know supply and demand, so get higher pay, while there are plenty of coffee shops, and fast food joints(thanks to Obama) so the supply of people are many, keeping wages down(illegal aliens who take less pay keeps wages down also, thank Obama also). You liberals are the stupidest people on the planet and deserve all the misery that your past admin FORCED upon you.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Everyone who works for that company also pays taxes. Taxes are paid on everything that corporation buys. Lowered corporate taxes actually means more taxes collected overall.

Democrats have successfully convinced the poor that they pay more in taxes than corporations even though the poor actually pay no taxes at all. It's a slight of imagination. They believe, therefore it is.

The working poor pay property taxes (included in rent), withholding, SS taxes, gas taxes, and sales taxes. The only tax they don't pay is income tax. It is a fiction and a falsehood to say the poor don't pay taxes.

It is also a falsehood that the rich don't pay their fair share. They pay the most, the poor pay the least. So much for FAIRNESS...
I was in the poor category when I entered the work force, but instead of being a sorry ass liberal, feeling sorry for myself, I got off my ass and got skills that took me overseas, where I amassed a small fortune, now I am in the top income earners. To you liberals I am Evil, but why isn't Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Al Gore, or Hollywood elites Evil? Fucking hypocrites.

They also have the largest percentage of the wealth, dumbass..So of course they will pay the highest percentage of taxes....You are evil because you are a dickhead...

So as the question to a fucking stupid tard like you, "WHAT TAX RATE WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THE RICH TO PAY, TO MAKE YOUR SORRY ASS HAPPY?"

 

[AntonToo]

How many times have you heard "Corporate tax breaks are being subsidized by the tax-paying public" or "The tax payers are having to foot the bill for a private company"?

Those are ignorant statements. A tax break given to a corporation isn't existing money the government has already collected from taxpayers, it's some of the money those corporations have earned on their own. Money which they don't have to pay to the government. They earned it, and they own it.

That would be equivalent to saying that the general public has some right to a corporation's earnings which anyone can tell you, is socialism.

Dude it's not that complicated: the bills are what they are and if corporations are paying less SOMEONE has to pay more to make up the difference.