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My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
While Pubs have been killing you and your friends and family for 30 years. See sig for 30 years of voodoo.My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
The dupe is down to to stupid name calling. Any argument AT ALL? If you look at history omg I'm just right and your boys are a disaster duh. The rich want me to believe the rich should be taxed? Idiocy.Actually, they were both needed to save the world economy from total destruction. But we didn't need corrupt Boooshies and their Real estate etc pals wrecking the world.Yeah, and saved millions of jobs. Pubs (rich GOP masters) bailed out their banking/Wall St a-hole pals who caused a world depression for easy money.You don't argue anything. You simply post B.S.
Hater dupes....pubs....
Got news for you jerkwad, it's both sides. Democrats do nothing for the little guy. They do stuff like bail out GM.
They saved nothing.
GM should have tanked.
Wall Street should have tanked.
The democrats and GOP helped save both to keep themselves in power and money.
Please keep telling yourself that. That is what the rich want you to believe.
Do you know what a tool you are.
You do so well, they should be paying you.
We like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
We like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
We like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
The rich want to pay higher taxes? Only the good Dem ones.You are worthless Franco.
Like so many left wingers, you are blinded by the guys (like Al
There is no link to your brain. It's been Mia as long as you've been posting here.What a dumb conversation.
Why does the Dems buy Unions with tax payer money?
Why do the Dems buy the poor with welfare?
Sure, shyttehead. Just when you with that link were just showing some intelligence lol...wanna hit me? lol.Of course, we left wing morons agree with your link. Duh.False premise.
Wrong conclusion.
Look, I don't stump for anyone.
This is an issue that I've struggled with for a long long time.
I am not a left wing moron like Franco.
So if the premise is false, I invite you to point out where.
I respect your thoughts.
You left wing morons are just that....
Now get off the thread....ass wipe.
To bad you've never shown any.
It's sorry pricks like you who've ruined the conversation in this country.
The Rich love people like you. You drive conservatives (who do concern themselves with these matters) away from the discussion and make it easier for them to control the whole process.
Any argument at all? So Nazis are socialists? You're a lost cause. Total hater dupe idiocy.They do nothing for the poor but give them health care, SS, UE, tax cuts, training, good infrastructure, cheaper loans, growth without bubbles and crashes...Ay caramba, dupe.You're half right.Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class
Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.
Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?
This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.
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So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.
Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?
The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.
Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.
And the rich just eat it up......
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This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.
But the comparison is bright as the day is long.
I bash the left.
I bash the right.
Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.
Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.
The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.
Democrats have no problem with becoming rich. Just not by stomping all over others.
Republicans see becoming rich, no matter how you do it, as a good thing.
It's not the fact of wealth, it's the way you got it.
Don't even bother coming here.
You are worthless.
If you defend the democrats, you are a moron.
The GOP sucks.
Democrats suck.
ROTFLMAO......
You really are a left wing brown shirt.
And we really should call you "brown eyes" too (because you are so full of shyt).
We like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
You only use the government to protect your position once you are there...you certainly don't want them involve while you are assaulting someone else's territory.
Do you believe government choses winners and losers ?
We need another GI bill. What was that? LOLWe like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
You only use the government to protect your position once you are there...you certainly don't want them involve while you are assaulting someone else's territory.
Do you believe government choses winners and losers ?
We like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
You only use the government to protect your position once you are there...you certainly don't want them involve while you are assaulting someone else's territory.
Do you believe government choses winners and losers ?
Again wrong. Stupidly wrong.
LOL. What about that payroll tax cut that the GOP wouldn't allow to go on? Cheaper college loans? Keeping kids on insurance till 26? And lots of other stuff (tax cuts, free community college, etc etc) Pubs blocked? Not on Rush/Fox! Moron.While Pubs have been killing you and your friends and family for 30 years. See sig for 30 years of voodoo.My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
Obama has done nothing to help the middle class.
You really are stupid.
I'll, again, invite you to refrain from posting. You do nothing but piss off the adults making it harder to have a rationale conversation.
We like the wealthy because we plan on being wealthy some day. It's called planning, idiot.
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
You only use the government to protect your position once you are there...you certainly don't want them involve while you are assaulting someone else's territory.
Do you believe government choses winners and losers ?
Again wrong. Stupidly wrong.
What is wrong ?
I am all ears.
I worked for a multinational that gathered tens of millions of dollars from the government for research. And then sold the products we produced to make a profit. Additionally, we helped write the regulations regarding many of these products so that it would be tougher for others to enter the market.
It's how I see it.
But I really can't respond to a simple "wrong".
I'm O.K. with the wealthy too.
What does economics tell you about wealth ? It says that when people find a way to make money..others join in. Well, unless the first guy manages to secure his position and hold off new entrants.
If you plan to be wealthy, then I have to wonder if you'll then skew the playing field after you've gotten there.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
You only use the government to protect your position once you are there...you certainly don't want them involve while you are assaulting someone else's territory.
Do you believe government choses winners and losers ?
Again wrong. Stupidly wrong.
What is wrong ?
I am all ears.
I worked for a multinational that gathered tens of millions of dollars from the government for research. And then sold the products we produced to make a profit. Additionally, we helped write the regulations regarding many of these products so that it would be tougher for others to enter the market.
It's how I see it.
But I really can't respond to a simple "wrong".
I said stupidly wrong for a reason, it's a stupid response that didn't deserve anything more that being called what it was.
I said I did not use the government. That is a fact. I had to comply with a LOT of useless stupid laws and regulations, I paid a lot of stupid fees that were nothing but robbery, but I persisted and did it.
I did not use the government.
LOL. What about that payroll tax cut that the GOP wouldn't allow to go on? Cheaper college loans? Keeping kids on insurance till 26? And lots of other stuff (tax cuts, free community college, etc etc) Pubs blocked? Not on Rush/Fox! Moron.While Pubs have been killing you and your friends and family for 30 years. See sig for 30 years of voodoo.My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
Obama has done nothing to help the middle class.
You really are stupid.
I'll, again, invite you to refrain from posting. You do nothing but piss off the adults making it harder to have a rationale conversation.
Wrong! I already am wealthy and I didn't use the government. I worked for it.
You only use the government to protect your position once you are there...you certainly don't want them involve while you are assaulting someone else's territory.
Do you believe government choses winners and losers ?
Again wrong. Stupidly wrong.
What is wrong ?
I am all ears.
I worked for a multinational that gathered tens of millions of dollars from the government for research. And then sold the products we produced to make a profit. Additionally, we helped write the regulations regarding many of these products so that it would be tougher for others to enter the market.
It's how I see it.
But I really can't respond to a simple "wrong".
I said stupidly wrong for a reason, it's a stupid response that didn't deserve anything more that being called what it was.
I said I did not use the government. That is a fact. I had to comply with a LOT of useless stupid laws and regulations, I paid a lot of stupid fees that were nothing but robbery, but I persisted and did it.
I did not use the government.
Thank you for sharing.
Your experience would interesting to learn some time.
You, of all people, should appreciate what it is that I am saying.
Don't you think we should work to get the government away from picking winners and losers ?
It is the norm for all human societies.
They start out with most people fairly even monetarily. Over time, a few gather wealth to themselves and they start gaming the system to make themselves even wealthier and keep the masses stagnant cheap paid workers.
As this wealth gap widens the masses, over time, grow ever more angry and tired of a few and their families having all good things that the whole society produces and the masses having almost nothing.
Then you have revolution, the wealthy are killed and possession and land dispersed, and the whole system starts over again.
The advent of media, like tv and radio, has made it much simpler for the few to brainwash and manipulate the many, which wasn't that hard to begin with but modern media has an exponential forcing effect on propaganda.
To figure out which part of society is most easily brainwashed and manipulated into action that is against their own best interest look no further than which media outlets use fear and induce anger to get their followers to 'hate' the 'other'.
I won't name any of them but it isn't an even dispersal of such propaganda by a long shot. One side uses fear as a drug dealer uses crack as an inticement.
What a crock.
The number of people exposed to this so called media is a small percentage in total.
There are predisposed notions that people have that they cling to.
When attacked (and both sides attack each other with alacrity), they withdraw.
Trust is low.
And the power brokers win.
One side ??? You can't be serious.
Pubs siphon loans thru banks and raise %, stupid. So who do you listen to, Sage and Levin? It's all same bs.LOL. What about that payroll tax cut that the GOP wouldn't allow to go on? Cheaper college loans? Keeping kids on insurance till 26? And lots of other stuff (tax cuts, free community college, etc etc) Pubs blocked? Not on Rush/Fox! Moron.While Pubs have been killing you and your friends and family for 30 years. See sig for 30 years of voodoo.My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
Obama has done nothing to help the middle class.
You really are stupid.
I'll, again, invite you to refrain from posting. You do nothing but piss off the adults making it harder to have a rationale conversation.
They cover one side of the equation. They pander to their handlers.
The democrats do stuff like provide college loans and the price of college goes through the roof. They are satisfying yet a different set of handlers.
You actually think they care ?
And I am the moron....
BTW: I don't listen to Fox or Rush so you can shove it up your fat ass....sideways.
My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
There is clearly a wealthy class.
Sorry to break it to you.
Are they evil: No
They simply control a lot of money. And they work to control more (probably more out of competition with each other). It's just what they do.
And controlling government controls money.
Get used to the idea.
Perfect Pub dupe ignoramus. READ MY SIG.My neighbor isn't a different class of person simply because he makes more or less money than I do. Class divisions are a figment of the imagination of politicians trying to divide us.
There is clearly a wealthy class.
Sorry to break it to you.
Are they evil: No
They simply control a lot of money. And they work to control more (probably more out of competition with each other). It's just what they do.
And controlling government controls money.
Get used to the idea.
Sorry but that's simply not true. It's a construct of pride. All men are created equal. And I have no desire to hurt or punish someone simply because they might have more money than me.
