Why haven't the GOP gotten together an implementable bill that repeals and replaces O-care?

[boilermaker55]

your reply shows your total fucking ignorance about the subject at hand.
So take the butt plug out of your mouth you trump sucker.
and swallow all "the peemeister, the donald" has to give you.
Butt hurt boy!

"Everyone with a" brain knew that day one "meant at the" beginning of his "term." Why do you suppose "all the whiners now" are butt hurt leftists? "You know," you?

I really don't give a fuck if you believe me.......But I'm having a GREAT time slamming Trump and showing morons like you how easily a charlatan lied to you and will keep lying to you for at least the next 2 years.....LOL

"You're having" a great time with "unmitigated" butt hurt? "Strange thing" to enjoy

What are you talking about? Defending your orange clown messiah again? Republicans are so partisan, you think everyone just loves your party like you do. Cut the RNC talking points and see if you can make a coherent point

 

[jc456]

Because they've never been serious about it. They lie.

they never had the votes. oooops

 

[Mac1958]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

They've had plenty of time, they've tossed out a few basics, but now they're just spinning their wheels.

They have a fundamental problem, and they know it: The only way to do this is to provide basic care for everyone and allow people to buy up. I've long advocated for expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system, a great mix of public and private, but they can't do it because their base would freak, and they could kiss their cushy gubmit jobs (and health care plans) goodbye.

This is more about keeping their jobs than improving our healthcare system. Now they're stuck. Tough shit.
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[jc456]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

They've had plenty of time, they've tossed out a few basics, but now they're just spinning their wheels.

They have a fundamental problem, and they know it: The only way to do this without kissing their cushy gubmit jobs goodbye is to provide basic care for everyone and allow people to buy up. I've long advocated for expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system, a great mix of public and private, but they can't do it because their base would freak.

This is more about keeping their jobs than improving our healthcare system. Now they're stuck. Tough shit.
.

well first off there are about 11,000 pages of regulations to get past. The thing is truly on large mass of fk up. trying to untangle that isn't as easy as anyone ever thought. And because they are trying to do right by the american public, they have not made any hasty moves.

 

[Mac1958]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

They've had plenty of time, they've tossed out a few basics, but now they're just spinning their wheels.

They have a fundamental problem, and they know it: The only way to do this without kissing their cushy gubmit jobs goodbye is to provide basic care for everyone and allow people to buy up. I've long advocated for expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system, a great mix of public and private, but they can't do it because their base would freak.

This is more about keeping their jobs than improving our healthcare system. Now they're stuck. Tough shit.
.

well first off there are about 11,000 pages of regulations to get past. The thing is truly on large mass of fk up. trying to untangle that isn't as easy as anyone ever thought. And because they are trying to do right by the american public, they have not made any hasty moves.

Sure, this ACA pig has tentacles all over the place. Didn't anyone tell Trump that? And where have they been for the last eight years? If they were serious about replacing it, they would figured out HOW to by now. Maybe they didn't expect to win, I dunno.
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[usmbguest5318]

they could kiss their cushy gubmit jobs (and health care plans) goodbye.

FWIW, Congress and its staff use O-care and its marketplace.

People talk about Congress having an exemption re: O-care. That is true, there is/was a Congressional exemption, but the exemption was/is one that allows them to use O-care, not one that exempts them from using it. They needed it because when they passed O-care, they goofed and removed themselves from the executive branch healthcare plan and the cancelled their subsidy for health insurance, effectively leaving themselves without health insurance coverage. The details are considerably more complex than that, but at a high level, that's the gist of it.

 

[g5000]

Huh? When Republicans took control of the House they repealed Obamacare.

Theater for the rubes, obviously. Now that they actually have control, why haven't they repealed it again?

Because you've been hoaxed, that's why.

They just got control of the Senate and White House, like, ten minutes ago, and already they're supposed to repeal Obamacare lest you deem they've "failed" to uphold their promise?

They've had seven years to write a replacement. Where is it?

It doesn't exist.

Because you've been hoaxed.

Now they are scrambling.

 

[g5000]

Here are the pseudocons' own benchmarks by which the GOP replacement, if they ever come up with one, will have to be measured:

The replacement will firstly have to be perfect. It cannot have any unintended consequences in it which require a fix, a.k.a. "we have to pass it to know what's in it".

The replacement will have to be short. If it is too long, the tards won't accept it and will invent "death panels" and other shit that isn't actually in there. They will never read it anyway, no matter how short it is. But page count is a big deal to pseudocons for some reason.

The replacement will have to lower the cost of health care. That's the most important one, of course. If it doesn't, the pseudocons will be morally obligated to start at least 20 topics each time health insurance spikes, or be guilty of being raging hypocrites.

 

[g5000]

"Everyone with a" brain knew that day one "meant at the" beginning of his "term."

That's some nice revisionism you have there. In reality, Trump promised to have reforms "ready for implementation" on day one.

You know, like "shovel ready projects".

Here's the thing. Obama put a health care reform package on the table 18 months before he was elected.

So Trump is already lagging way, way, waaaaaaay behind Obama.

You've been hoaxed. The Emperor has no clothes.

 

[Dragonlady]

There is no secretary of health and human services. When Price takes his seat the dismantling of aca will roll along. It was part of the demo plan. Obstruct the cabinet, then say nothing was done.

Obstruct the cabinet??? What bullshit. Obama didn't have his cabinet in place until the end of March.

Trump hasn't bothered to name cabinet and executives. He'd only submitted 29 names by Inauguration Day, compared to 94 for Obama. Trump was too busy with his Victory Tour and tweeting about Saturday Night Live.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Because they've never been serious about it. They lie.

they never had the votes. oooops

Yep, and now that they do they're backtracking.

 

[Qball]

Huh? When Republicans took control of the House they repealed Obamacare.

Theater for the rubes, obviously. Now that they actually have control, why haven't they repealed it again?

Because you've been hoaxed, that's why.

They just got control of the Senate and White House, like, ten minutes ago, and already they're supposed to repeal Obamacare lest you deem they've "failed" to uphold their promise?

They've had seven years to write a replacement. Where is it?

It doesn't exist.

Because you've been hoaxed.

Now they are scrambling.

Republicans released a four page health care reform plan during the debate over Obamacare. It's not as simple as "repeal and replace" now that you have millions of people on it. Trump's entire cabinet hasn't even been confirmed yet and there's still a vacancy on the Supreme Court. They should tackle Obamacare with intent on repealing much of it, but again, it's been a couple of weeks. Democrats spent the better part of a year shilling for Obamacare without taking ten minutes to consider its drawbacks. Republicans are permitted to take their time and do this right.

 

[nat4900]

Republicans are permitted to take their time and do this right.

Lets see.....Obama's HC insurance plan took about 2 years (with thehelp of the right wing Heritage Foundation)......while conservatives have had SEVEN years to come up with something "better"....and are now demanding that they need .....at least.......another year or more......YOU judge, the stupidity.