Why I am voting for Obama again

[Mac1958]

Why is your party LYING about the definitions of words so you can trash the label democracy?

teh constitution backs us up. go read it some day.

No it doesnt you fucking brainwashed idiot.


go read the definitions of the words.

we ARE a Democracy

Oh no.

Yikes.

Again.

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[bigrebnc1775]

WHY I AM VOTING FOR OBAMA AGAIN: I think the reason that most Obama supporters continue to support him has to do with their basic political philosophies. The democratic party and the republican party have vastly different views on a host of major issues: foreign affairs, women's rights, environmental protection, global warming, energy policy, family planning, gay rights, gun control, social justice, tax policy, and on and on. It is not necessarily that any of us are THRILLED with the performance of Obama in his first term, but that doesn't change the fact that we are vehemently opposed to most- if not all - of the GOP's positions on that long list of issues. Obama shares the political philosophy of democrats, and if we reelect him, he may not be successful in moving all or most or even hardly any of those issues down a path that democrats would approve, but electing Romney will CERTAINLY stop any movement on those issues in the direction that democrats want to see them advance, and, instead, move those issues down the path that the GOP wants them to advance.

It is nothing more or less than the standard clash of political philosophies that ought not to come as a surprise to anyone. If one has a vision for the future of our country, one will vote for the party that will attempt to move the country along a path that more closely resembles that vision.

You don't have to explain why you're stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The social democrats (almost all of the Democrats and most of the Republicans) are progressive statists of the left and right who want to regulate business to protect working conditions, the environment, and ensure competition, which ensures improved technology and competition and lower prices.

Socialists believe in centralized planning in combinations of politicians, technocrats, and businessmen. That involves the nationalization of services by governments and the administration of said services. Think Denmark and Sweden, for starters.

The term 'free market' and 'free market policies' should bring to mind Carnegie, Rockefeller, Gould, Vanderbilt, Krupp, Morgan, etc. This is not the nation we want to return to.

like Norquist the right wants to kill our democracy

Hell they even claim we are NOT a democracy

1. Socialist policies favor increased central planning of the economy by politicians and by bureaucrats, instead of allowing entrepreneurs, businesses, and customers to make decisions in a free market. Socialists also favor government attempts to collectivize the means of production and to divvy up the national wealth. The reason: because they insist on equality of results, as opposed to the traditional American belief in equality ‘under the law.’

2. Do you want an economic system in which you pay most of the money you earn to the government, and the government gives you back benefits on terms and conditions decided by politicians and bureaucrats? That is not the America of freedom and prosperity we have known for 300 years. That is the vision of Karl Marx. And that is what the secular-socialist design is about.

Gingrich, "To Save America"

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, Aqua Athena, you have made your thesis.

Let's see the evidence, particularly taking in the deregulation from the 1980s on in this "centralized" governmental planning.

 

[IGetItAlready]

OK, Aqua Athena, you have made your thesis.

Let's see the evidence, particularly taking in the deregulation from the 1980s on in this "centralized" governmental planning.

Jake, you'd need to care enough to research the origins of community organizing, ACORN, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, the NWRO, SDS, the Woods Fund, the Tides Foundation, the New Party and a half dozen other organizations and movements before you could even begin to wrap your head around Cloward-Piven and Obama's true intent and motives.
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I'm guessing you're really not THAT interested.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why am I voting for Obama again? Because I don't want the USA to become a corporate feudal oligarch state. That concern pretty much overrides everything else.

Don't try to imagine the harm that a Supreme Court with a 7-2 hyperactivist conservative majority could do. It's just too frightening.

Ya know what's frightening? That a person who has a job that pays enough to buy a computer, hook it up, get it running then contract with the local cable or phone company AND believe that bullshit you just posted.
No, you'd rather vote for Obama and live in a socialist centrally planned state where government is the answer to everything.
See Communism and Socialism under the heading of FAILED SYSTEMS.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You goofball: if it is that secret and complicated, it did not happen and you are part of being taken in by a conspiracy right there with birferism.

Explain how all the deregulation is part of the "plan", OK?

OK, Aqua Athena, you have made your thesis.

Let's see the evidence, particularly taking in the deregulation from the 1980s on in this "centralized" governmental planning.

Jake, you'd need to care enough to research the origins of community organizing, ACORN, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, the NWRO, SDS, the Woods Fund, the Tides Foundation, the New Party and a half dozen other organizations and movements before you could even begin to wrap your head around Cloward-Piven and Obama's true intent and motives.
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EDIT:
I'm guessing you're really not THAT interested.

 

[JakeStarkey]

thereisnospoon cannot define either communism or socialism and cannot demonstrate how American government fits either of the systems.

Los-ah.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You goofball: if it is that secret and complicated, it did not happen and you are part of being taken in by a conspiracy right there with birferism.

Explain how all the deregulation is part of the "plan", OK?

OK, Aqua Athena, you have made your thesis.

Let's see the evidence, particularly taking in the deregulation from the 1980s on in this "centralized" governmental planning.

Jake, you'd need to care enough to research the origins of community organizing, ACORN, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, the NWRO, SDS, the Woods Fund, the Tides Foundation, the New Party and a half dozen other organizations and movements before you could even begin to wrap your head around Cloward-Piven and Obama's true intent and motives.
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EDIT:
I'm guessing you're really not THAT interested.

Explain how all the deregulation is part of the "plan", OK?

What deregulation?

 

[IGetItAlready]

You goofball: if it is that secret and complicated, it did not happen and you are part of being taken in by a conspiracy right there with birferism.

Explain how all the deregulation is part of the "plan", OK?

OK, Aqua Athena, you have made your thesis.

Let's see the evidence, particularly taking in the deregulation from the 1980s on in this "centralized" governmental planning.

Jake, you'd need to care enough to research the origins of community organizing, ACORN, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, the NWRO, SDS, the Woods Fund, the Tides Foundation, the New Party and a half dozen other organizations and movements before you could even begin to wrap your head around Cloward-Piven and Obama's true intent and motives.
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EDIT:
I'm guessing you're really not THAT interested.

It's not that secret nor complicated...it just takes a little effort that you're clearly not willing to make.

Start here if you like, no obscure bullshit about this ideology or that. Just what Obama was up to before his run in the Illinois state senate.

Barack Hussein Obama - Discover the Networks

 

[thereisnospoon]

OK, Aqua Athena, you have made your thesis.

Let's see the evidence, particularly taking in the deregulation from the 1980s on in this "centralized" governmental planning.

Jake, you'd need to care enough to research the origins of community organizing, ACORN, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, the NWRO, SDS, the Woods Fund, the Tides Foundation, the New Party and a half dozen other organizations and movements before you could even begin to wrap your head around Cloward-Piven and Obama's true intent and motives.
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EDIT:
I'm guessing you're really not THAT interested.

You do realize jakey will offer up some non sequitur response which he will disguise as profound liberal logic, do you not?
Having honest debate with jakey? You may as well take a time portal to the 1920's and ask Al Capone to pay his taxes and quit bootlegging booze.

 

[JakeStarkey]

toddsterpatriot is as silly as thereisnospoon.

todd, go back to page one and read forward, and stop the 13 year-old girl ESI (earth shattering of [no] importance) questions.

Flounce off and go brush your hair.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The point is, spoon, and you can't debate as has proven time and time again.

You have made an affirmative statement. Posting a link is not evidence. Give us the argument with stats, facts, analysis, and so forth.

Otherwise, yeah, you are a loony.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

toddsterpatriot is as silly as thereisnospoon.

todd, go back to page one and read forward, and stop the 13 year-old girl ESI (earth shattering of [no] importance) questions.

Flounce off and go brush your hair.

I read your deregulation claim and wondered where that happened?
I understand if you can't answer.

 

[KGB]

like Norquist the right wants to kill our democracy

Hell they even claim we are NOT a democracy

reading is easy, learning from what you read is what keeps most people behind



Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows people to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives


yes we are a democracy

did you pay attention in 9th grade civics? We are a representative republic, not a democracy. Switzerland is a democracy, we are not....

 

[JakeStarkey]

The claim is one that you don't understand and to is a response to a stupidity written by spoon.

Yes, I understand that you can't answer or understand the discussion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

KGB, our representative republic has always rested on democratic elements in it.

Jefferson's election in 1800 placed the voting plebiscite over the actual electors. When the Federalists caved in the week before Inauguration Day, they did so because Jefferson had told Adams he would becoming with the militias of Democratic-Republican PA and VA behind to claim the chair the people had elected him to.

We are a democratically influenced representative republic: it is what it is.

reading is easy, learning from what you read is what keeps most people behind



Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows people to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives


yes we are a democracy

did you pay attention in 9th grade civics? We are a representative republic, not a democracy. Switzerland is a democracy, we are not....

 

[thereisnospoon]

thereisnospoon cannot define either communism or socialism and cannot demonstrate how American government fits either of the systems.

Los-ah.

Where did I state the American government fit either communism or socialism"?
I stated this was the goal of the Obama admin. He is an avowed socialist.
He views the US Constitution as a roadblock to his agenda.
Which definition do you want. The dictionary one?....You look that up yourself. Because it is the only way YOU could figure it out.
You go ahead and vote for Obama. Go ahead and help further fuck up the country.
When the shit goes down hill, we will have you to blame.
Better build your shelter now just in case the unthinkable happens and Obama somehow wins again.
What I find amusing is you libs think you are going to get a hall pass after the taxes and other government regulations, restrictions and policies are enacted.
You think you can just wave and say " Not me Mr President, remember I voted for you!!!!".....
Maybe you want to live in a nation where government has virtual control and equality of outcome rules, most of us and hopefully enough to vote this pox on the nation out of office, do not.

 

[Wolfsister77]

WHY I AM VOTING FOR OBAMA AGAIN: I think the reason that most Obama supporters continue to support him has to do with their basic political philosophies. The democratic party and the republican party have vastly different views on a host of major issues: foreign affairs, women's rights, environmental protection, global warming, energy policy, family planning, gay rights, gun control, social justice, tax policy, and on and on. It is not necessarily that any of us are THRILLED with the performance of Obama in his first term, but that doesn't change the fact that we are vehemently opposed to most- if not all - of the GOP's positions on that long list of issues. Obama shares the political philosophy of democrats, and if we reelect him, he may not be successful in moving all or most or even hardly any of those issues down a path that democrats would approve, but electing Romney will CERTAINLY stop any movement on those issues in the direction that democrats want to see them advance, and, instead, move those issues down the path that the GOP wants them to advance.

It is nothing more or less than the standard clash of political philosophies that ought not to come as a surprise to anyone. If one has a vision for the future of our country, one will vote for the party that will attempt to move the country along a path that more closely resembles that vision.

Yes, when I look at the candidates, I look at the one that best expresses my views and my hope for the direction of this country. I look at all the issues, inform myself, and make the best decision I can. I actually wish there was instant runoff voting so I can put Jill Stein of the Green Party as my second choice. But, I believe strongly that Obama better represents my views that Romney could ever hope to do. On all the issues you mentioned and also on healthcare. I eventually want a universal health care plan in place in this country. Something like Medicare for all. Obama's plan is a start in that direction. But on the environment-Dems win hands down for what I want to see, same thing on women's issues, on taxes, on global affairs, on regulations, on education, on a whole host of issues. I am voting for my daughter's future too.

 

[Wolfsister77]

thereisnospoon cannot define either communism or socialism and cannot demonstrate how American government fits either of the systems.

Los-ah.

Where did I state the American government fit either communism or socialism"?
I stated this was the goal of the Obama admin. He is an avowed socialist.
He views the US Constitution as a roadblock to his agenda.
Which definition do you want. The dictionary one?....You look that up yourself. Because it is the only way YOU could figure it out.
You go ahead and vote for Obama. Go ahead and help further fuck up the country.
When the shit goes down hill, we will have you to blame.
Better build your shelter now just in case the unthinkable happens and Obama somehow wins again.
What I find amusing is you libs think you are going to get a hall pass after the taxes and other government regulations, restrictions and policies are enacted.
You think you can just wave and say " Not me Mr President, remember I voted for you!!!!".....
Maybe you want to live in a nation where government has virtual control and equality of outcome rules, most of us and hopefully enough to vote this pox on the nation out of office, do not.

There's not one thing Obama has done that makes me think he's a Socialist. I think our economy is a blend of Capitalism/Socialism as it is right now. An example of how Obama is not a Socialist-the healthcare bill which gives power to private insurance companies.

The rest of the stuff you posted is just your emotional opinion.