Why I'm a Democrat

[Harry Dresden]

Do I support today's Democrats? For the most part, yes. I support the underdog, those in our society who by birth or circumstances stuggle to obtain what came easily to many of us, and was given to many who became Republicans.

your getting ridiculous now Wry....the Democrats worked for EVERYTHING they have....but if your a Republican it was given to you....your posts are getting to be about as relevant as Yukons are....

 

[Harry Dresden]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

 

[Wicked Jester]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

That report sent to the UN was beyond disgusting....Seriously, that POS is trying to equate this great country with China. Trying to equate it with what is going in Tibet, Darfur etc.

The man is anti-american to the core. His shameful apology tours are downright ignorant and insane. The man couldn't LEAD a lil' ol' lady across a friggin' street without her being crushed by a bus.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I glad we can agree to disagree with such civility. Of particular interest to me has been the strength of your arguments, your collective ability to offer policy ideas and practical solutions to complex problems concisely and with an open mind to criticism and debate.

[ wonder, why do we celebrate "Labor Day", why not "Bankers Day"?]

PS, this post is directed to the echo chamber, Chef, Harry, DM and Libo...et al.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Are you a democrat or an american who usually votes democrat wry catcher?

Just saying putting yourself in the democrat box has a lot of implications.

Do you just support todays democrats or do you support what dems have done throughout our countries history?

And what do you infer by my acknowledging I am a registered Democrat?

Do I support today's Democrats? For the most part, yes. I support the underdog, those in our society who by birth or circumstances stuggle to obtain what came easily to many of us, and was given to many who became Republicans.

As a voting adult, my experience with elected Democrats (in the oval) is limited to LBJ, Carter, Clinton and now Obama.
I didn't vote in 1964, I was too young, but I would have voted for LBJ over Goldwater; I would not have voted for LBJ in 1968; I supported Bobby Kennedy. I voted for Carter in1976 but by 1980 realized circumstances made him no longer viable; I voted for John Anderson.
I never voted for Reagan, and elitist and an ideologue in my judgment, in his elections for Governor or President, nor did I vote for either Bush, though Bush I was a better president than I expected.
Clinton may have been a great president, but for his foibles and how they were exploited by the Republicans; and history gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

Being a registered democrat really doesn't say much. I was more getting at if you only have voted democrat or if you decide more on the person's records and statements other than the party they are in. I like to know more about people who make posts that I read often.

From your descriptions it sounds like you are pre-disposed to immediately put any republican canditate in a bad light due to your experience over time. I'm not saying its right or wrong just saying it is what it is and thats fine.

Again not knowing you personally I could be wrong but thats why I was asking in the first place, I'm trying not to assume things about people anymore.

I voted for perot (92), clinton, Bush, Badnarick, Barr (even though he joined in the clinton witchhunts)

 

[nraforlife]

The Republican Party needs to put country first and that won't happen. Their only policy that has been in effect, and has been affective, is working to make Obama fail. .........................................

BHO has had two years of absolute control of the levers of government and succeeded only in making things worse. The fault lies with the dems 100%. It has been their watch.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I glad we can agree to disagree with such civility. Of particular interest to me has been the strength of your arguments, your collective ability to offer policy ideas and practical solutions to complex problems concisely and with an open mind to criticism and debate.

[ wonder, why do we celebrate "Labor Day", why not "Bankers Day"?]

PS, this post is directed to the echo chamber, Chef, Harry, DM and Libo...et al.

in any of my posts.....who am i echoing?....or am i giving you my opinion?.....its funny how you dont have a Wry answer but every thing you say is echoed by your party...answer my thoughts in post no.342.....do you think that shows leadership?.....i sure as hell dont.....Obama has not gone down there since this thing has happened and talked to those down at the border part of the State.....WHY?.....and thinks people are just going to have respect for him because we should....BULLSHIT.....you earn respect....one of his States is having a major conflict and he is going to tell the UN on them.....leader my ass...a leader goes down there and sees what is going on and tries to solve it....this shit is more important than the fucking Israeli/palestine bullshit....this is HIS Country,he is the President here not there.....Arizona is HIS business not the UN'S....and i should respect this guy?.....

 

[daveman]

I didn't mention Obama or anything he said.

No, but you referenced a post that did.

What a little weasel you are!

Unlike you DM, I acutally have the ability to look at a problem and consider solutions without relying on ideology or what someone tells me to think. I'm a pragmatist, always have been and eschew hackneyed solutions to real problems as well as people who proslytize an ideology based on greed and a callous disregard for their fellow citizens.

Really? 'Cause you sound just like any other Obamabot to me. I'm sure it's just coincidence that all the solutions you propose are boilerplate liberal positions.

 

[skookerasbil]

I glad we can agree to disagree with such civility. Of particular interest to me has been the strength of your arguments, your collective ability to offer policy ideas and practical solutions to complex problems concisely and with an open mind to criticism and debate.

[ wonder, why do we celebrate "Labor Day", why not "Bankers Day"?]

PS, this post is directed to the echo chamber, Chef, Harry, DM and Libo...et al.

in any of my posts.....who am i echoing?....or am i giving you my opinion?.....its funny how you dont have a Wry answer but every thing you say is echoed by your party...answer my thoughts in post no.342.....do you think that shows leadership?.....i sure as hell dont.....Obama has not gone down there since this thing has happened and talked to those down at the border part of the State.....WHY?.....and thinks people are just going to have respect for him because we should....BULLSHIT.....you earn respect....one of his States is having a major conflict and he is going to tell the UN on them.....leader my ass...a leader goes down there and sees what is going on and tries to solve it....this shit is more important than the fucking Israeli/palestine bullshit....this is HIS Country,he is the President here not there.....Arizona is HIS business not the UN'S....and i should respect this guy?.....

Wry always ignores my forays into the dynamics of his posts on this forum, but the fact is, none of his stuff is doable.........yet still the self-righteous attitude that he is somehow on a higher moral plane than the rest of us. That is a constant theme from those who are on the far left.
My point a few posts back is irrefuttable though as none of ths stuff guys like Wry advocate for has ever worked in the history of the world. THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD..........so excuse me if I cant take any of that stuff seriously.


Here is the definition of "Politics" as taken from Wikkipedia:

Politics (from Greek πολιτικος, [politikós]: «citizen», «civilian»), is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions. The term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments, but politics has been observed in other group interactions, including corporate, academic, and religious institutions. It consists of "social relations involving authority or power"[1] and refers to the regulation of a political unit,[2] and to the methods and tactics used to formulate and apply policy.[3]


This is a "Politics" forum. The operative sentience is the first sentence above: Politics (from Greek πολιτικος, [politikós]: «citizen», «civilian»), is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions

Wry's sentiments are not at all part of the "collective decisionmaking" made in our society because they are so far removed from the mean. The reason I refer to these types as "k00ks" is that in the bigger picture..........the collective aspect of formulating policy........their means are invariably rejected by society. When forum members come into the politics forum and present radical solutions to societal problems.............how can anybody take that seriously? Again.............THIS IS A POLITICS FORUM. If you advocate for extreme policies that are not at all politically viable, then of course you are going to get your views painted as absurd!!!

"Being "pragmatic" means absolutely zero ( O ) if there is zero chance politically of your view being adopted as public policy..........thus the definition above!!! The politicians in the country have taken this country in a direction far left in the past 19 months and as a result, the public ( the collective ) has uniformly ( politically) rejected the direction. And thats just the way it is...........people like Wry may not like it and he can keep on posting up surreal levels of ideal, but it becomes an exercise in futility.

This is a POLITICS" forum s0ns.................

 

[gautama]

The Republican Party needs to put country first and that won't happen. Their only policy that has been in effect, and has been affective, is working to make Obama fail. Every idea has been ridiculed and falsely characterized as "Socialism" or worse, and every need all of us seem to be concerned with can be fixed by the one magic bullet held by the conserviatives: Tax Cuts.

Serously, how could anyone support a party lead by McConnell and Boehner? Two pols who take their lead from demagogues, Limbaugh and Beck; and populists, like Palin and Gingrich?

While America 'burns', the Republicans 'fiddle'; Becks rally Sunday was the most recent 'tune' ("God is Great"; hey Glen, that's been done. See Iran for how well that worked out).
Past tunes: Obama is a Muslim! He was born in the Africa! He is a Socialist! He is a Marxist! He hates white people! OMG, he played golf!
And all of these tunes are played back over and over by the Loony Tune Players on this message board.

**************************************************************

So, what should be done?

A huge influx of capital, both from the government and private investors in at least three national projects: Rebuilding the electrical grid; building inter and intra urban railroads and canals for the transport of goods, recreation and flood control; and the building of health care centers in each congressional district across America providing preventative medicine and health care education.
Image the possibilities, jobs for decades, less dependence on foreign oil, and a healthier happier citizenry. The opposite of hate and fear, the only other policy the Republican Party seems to have.

Why are you a democrat ?

Answer:

OBVIOUSLY ..... you are a Democrat because you're a POLITICAL IDIOT who turned into an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoidal stooge.

That's why.

 

[Synthaholic]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

Being voted into Presidential office in a landslide does not earn one respect?

I guess not, from the anti-America faction.

 

[daveman]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

Being voted into Presidential office in a landslide does not earn one respect?

I guess not, from the anti-America faction.

One more leftist retard who confuses Obama with America. Good job, moron!

 

[Si modo]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

Being voted into Presidential office in a landslide does not earn one respect?

I guess not, from the anti-America faction.

Not buying into logical fallacies, like bandwagon, does not make one anti-American, moron.

What a divisive tool you are.

 

[Meister]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

Being voted into Presidential office in a landslide does not earn one respect?

I guess not, from the anti-America faction.

The polls indidcate that obama does not have the respect of the majority of Americans.
Might even say they have buyers remorse.

 

[skookerasbil]

Wry always ignores my forays into the dynamics of his posts on this forum, but the fact is, none of his stuff is doable.........yet still the self-righteous attitude that he is somehow on a higher moral plane than the rest of us. That is a constant theme from those who are on the far left.
My point a few posts back is irrefuttable though as none of ths stuff guys like Wry advocate for has ever worked in the history of the world. THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD..........so excuse me if I cant take any of that stuff seriously.


Here is the definition of "Politics" as taken from Wikkipedia:

Politics (from Greek πολιτικος, [politikós]: «citizen», «civilian»), is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions. The term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments, but politics has been observed in other group interactions, including corporate, academic, and religious institutions. It consists of "social relations involving authority or power"[1] and refers to the regulation of a political unit,[2] and to the methods and tactics used to formulate and apply policy.[3]


This is a "Politics" forum. The operative sentience is the first sentence above: Politics (from Greek πολιτικος, [politikós]: «citizen», «civilian»), is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions

Wry's sentiments are not at all part of the "collective decisionmaking" made in our society because they are so far removed from the mean. The reason I refer to these types as "k00ks" is that in the bigger picture..........the collective aspect of formulating policy........their means are invariably rejected by society. When forum members come into the politics forum and present radical solutions to societal problems.............how can anybody take that seriously? Again.............THIS IS A POLITICS FORUM. If you advocate for extreme policies that are not at all politically viable, then of course you are going to get your views painted as absurd!!!

"Being "pragmatic" means absolutely zero ( O ) if there is zero chance politically of your view being adopted as public policy..........thus the definition above!!! The politicians in the country have taken this country in a direction far left in the past 19 months and as a result, the public ( the collective ) has uniformly ( politically) rejected the direction. And thats just the way it is...........people like Wry may not like it and he can keep on posting up surreal levels of ideal, but it becomes an exercise in futility.

This is a POLITICS" forum s0ns.................

 

[skookerasbil]

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

Being voted into Presidential office in a landslide does not earn one respect?

I guess not, from the anti-America faction.

The polls indidcate that obama does not have the respect of the majority of Americans.
Might even say they have buyers remorse.

Obama DISAPPROVE # yesterday................



57%

 

[skookerasbil]

gave Obama an opportunity to become a transormative leade,r but the effort to discredit him by anti-American forces here at home, lead by elected Republican leaders and Reactionaries is shameful and further divided our nation.

thats because he is no LEADER Wry....Clinton had adversity but the guy showed some leadership....this guy forget it.....he does not like what Arizona has done...so instead of being a LEADER and going down there and talk to the people and try to LEAD....he is going to let the UN handle it.....no wonder why this Nations divide is getting wider....you have to earn respect Wry....Obama does not seem to understand that....

Being voted into Presidential office in a landslide does not earn one respect?

I guess not, from the anti-America faction.

YIKES


Im amazed at how people are still stuck in 2008!!! Its fcukkking hysterical............as of yesterday, according to this asshat, 57% of the American public is anti-American!!!!

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Republican Party needs to put country first and that won't happen. Their only policy that has been in effect, and has been affective, is working to make Obama fail. Every idea has been ridiculed and falsely characterized as "Socialism" or worse, and every need all of us seem to be concerned with can be fixed by the one magic bullet held by the conserviatives: Tax Cuts.

Serously, how could anyone support a party lead by McConnell and Boehner? Two pols who take their lead from demagogues, Limbaugh and Beck; and populists, like Palin and Gingrich?

While America 'burns', the Republicans 'fiddle'; Becks rally Sunday was the most recent 'tune' ("God is Great"; hey Glen, that's been done. See Iran for how well that worked out).
Past tunes: Obama is a Muslim! He was born in the Africa! He is a Socialist! He is a Marxist! He hates white people! OMG, he played golf!
And all of these tunes are played back over and over by the Loony Tune Players on this message board.

**************************************************************

So, what should be done?

A huge influx of capital, both from the government and private investors in at least three national projects: Rebuilding the electrical grid; building inter and intra urban railroads and canals for the transport of goods, recreation and flood control; and the building of health care centers in each congressional district across America providing preventative medicine and health care education.
Image the possibilities, jobs for decades, less dependence on foreign oil, and a healthier happier citizenry. The opposite of hate and fear, the only other policy the Republican Party seems to have.

Why are you a democrat ?

Answer:

OBVIOUSLY ..... you are a Democrat because you're a POLITICAL IDIOT who turned into an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoidal stooge.

That's why.

Does anyone consider this post to be of value? One which demonstrates the depth of gautama"s intellect and a mind open to new possibilites, new ideas?
I suppose Daveman, Meister, Skookerasbil, nraforlife and of course Si modo do, given the bulk of their work is of the same genre.

Notice the attacks are all of the ad hominem variety - attacking me for offering ideas on how I believe we might solve some of the myraid problems facing our nation. Notice too these same posters echo each other and never offer ideas beyond the usual prosaic and unproven 'ideas' which flow daily from the mouths of conservative media talking heads.

So, in deference to those who actually think about problems and solutions, as opposed to the hysteria and emotion laced words of the echo chamber, I will offer MY ideas as I see fit. Not because I hope to convince the echo chamber, willfull ignorance is a chornic condition, but beause I believe the more solutions to problems offered the better. Sadly, the echo chamber lacks the basic skills to counter ideas with anything but personal attacks. Thankfully they are the minority, the fringe of the entire body politic.

 

[Meister]

The Republican Party needs to put country first and that won't happen. Their only policy that has been in effect, and has been affective, is working to make Obama fail. Every idea has been ridiculed and falsely characterized as "Socialism" or worse, and every need all of us seem to be concerned with can be fixed by the one magic bullet held by the conserviatives: Tax Cuts.

Serously, how could anyone support a party lead by McConnell and Boehner? Two pols who take their lead from demagogues, Limbaugh and Beck; and populists, like Palin and Gingrich?

While America 'burns', the Republicans 'fiddle'; Becks rally Sunday was the most recent 'tune' ("God is Great"; hey Glen, that's been done. See Iran for how well that worked out).
Past tunes: Obama is a Muslim! He was born in the Africa! He is a Socialist! He is a Marxist! He hates white people! OMG, he played golf!
And all of these tunes are played back over and over by the Loony Tune Players on this message board.

**************************************************************

So, what should be done?

A huge influx of capital, both from the government and private investors in at least three national projects: Rebuilding the electrical grid; building inter and intra urban railroads and canals for the transport of goods, recreation and flood control; and the building of health care centers in each congressional district across America providing preventative medicine and health care education.
Image the possibilities, jobs for decades, less dependence on foreign oil, and a healthier happier citizenry. The opposite of hate and fear, the only other policy the Republican Party seems to have.

Why are you a democrat ?

Answer:

OBVIOUSLY ..... you are a Democrat because you're a POLITICAL IDIOT who turned into an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoidal stooge.

That's why.

Does anyone consider this post to be of value? One which demonstrates the depth of gautama"s intellect and a mind open to new possibilites, new ideas?
I suppose Daveman, Meister, Skookerasbil, nraforlife and of course Si modo do, given the bulk of their work is of the same genre.

Notice the attacks are all of the ad hominem variety - attacking me for offering ideas on how I believe we might solve some of the myraid problems facing our nation. Notice too these same posters echo each other and never offer ideas beyond the usual prosaic and unproven 'ideas' which flow daily from the mouths of conservative media talking heads.

So, in deference to those who actually think about problems and solutions, as opposed to the hysteria and emotion laced words of the echo chamber, I will offer MY ideas as I see fit. Not because I hope to convince the echo chamber, willfull ignorance is a chornic condition, but beause I believe the more solutions to problems offered the better. Sadly, the echo chamber lacks the basic skills to counter ideas with anything but personal attacks. Thankfully they are the minority, the fringe of the entire body politic.

Seeing how you felt a need to bring my name in on this, I think your a dreamer with unrealistic look at life, wry. On paper it looks good but when applied it will be a dismal failure. Other countries have tried a lot of what your dreams are and have failed. There is no utopia except in your mind, the rest of us see it as what it is. Get over it and quit your whining about "no one will listen to my pipe dream."

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why are you a democrat ?

Answer:

OBVIOUSLY ..... you are a Democrat because you're a POLITICAL IDIOT who turned into an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoidal stooge.

That's why.

Does anyone consider this post to be of value? One which demonstrates the depth of gautama"s intellect and a mind open to new possibilites, new ideas?
I suppose Daveman, Meister, Skookerasbil, nraforlife and of course Si modo do, given the bulk of their work is of the same genre.

Notice the attacks are all of the ad hominem variety - attacking me for offering ideas on how I believe we might solve some of the myraid problems facing our nation. Notice too these same posters echo each other and never offer ideas beyond the usual prosaic and unproven 'ideas' which flow daily from the mouths of conservative media talking heads.

So, in deference to those who actually think about problems and solutions, as opposed to the hysteria and emotion laced words of the echo chamber, I will offer MY ideas as I see fit. Not because I hope to convince the echo chamber, willfull ignorance is a chornic condition, but beause I believe the more solutions to problems offered the better. Sadly, the echo chamber lacks the basic skills to counter ideas with anything but personal attacks. Thankfully they are the minority, the fringe of the entire body politic.

Seeing how you felt a need to bring my name in on this, I think your a dreamer with unrealistic look at life, wry. On paper it looks good but when applied it will be a dismal failure. Other countries have tried a lot of what your dreams are and have failed. There is no utopia except in your mind, the rest of us see it as what it is. Get over it and quit your whining about "no one will listen to my pipe dream."

I know attempting to dissuade you is futile, but I am not, never have been, and never will be a utopion - socialist or otherwise.
What "on paper" looks good? What have other countries tried which I suggest? Do you believe I think Cuba is a model for our country? A nation chronically poor where 95 out of 100 residents are government employees is not my ideal utopia.
Neither is your (watch me build a straw man) conservative ideology where the wealthy control 95% of the wealth and the rest of us are forced to work at less than subsitance wages, and shop at the company store.
You were named because you, as do the others, seems to hold opinions much more extreme than I, based on unproven - and what I consider unproved - theory. Supply side, trickle down did not work. For 30 years it has caused the middle class to shrink, the already wealthy to become filthy rich and the poor and just getting by to see the American dream float further an further away.