Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[Youwerecreated]

If you can "observe in nature" the "process of design" in "creation" then YOU must be able to provide plenty of examples since your premise is that ALL LIFE was "created", right?

So now here is your big opportunity to prove once and for all that everything is the result of "creation".

Provide irrefutable examples of this alleged "process of design" that YOU can "observe in nature".

There are to many examples in nature to number.

Organs,blood,skeletal structures,eyes,brains,central nervous system,atmosphere,the sun and moon,our planet,oxygen,water,defense mechanisms that help protect organisms,
vegetation etc.Chance or purposeful design ?

Cancer, genetic defects, infection, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc.,

Purposeful design?

God warned what sin would bring.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Nothing whatsoever points to a "designer".

The Dover, PA court case exposed the fraudulent "creationist" basis for a "designer".

Nothing you have pointed out supports your allegations.

absolute nonsense there is every indication of intelligent design ..evolution has huge gaping holes

"... because I say so".

We can't help it you lack the ability to reason.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ? For the same reasons naturalism is considered scientific and voodoo is not.

intelligent design can hardly be compared to voodoo

Of course it can. The reliance on fear and superstition is pervasive in both environments.

Hollie back your false claims up or leave the tread.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Produce that "evidence suggesting the possibility" instead.


The onus is on YOU to prove the existence of this imaginary "designer" since YOU are the one making the claim.

The evidence presented is met with ridicule,example Aw Geez those people are just nuts.

You don't seem to understand that in connection with creationist charlatans, there is no evidence presented in support of their claims to supernaturalism.

The ridicule leveled at creationist charlatans is in connection with their baseless claims, lack of evidence and appeals to supernatural entities.

That's why creationist charlatans are routinely hustled out of court in utter disgrace.

Either leave your rhetoric out of the thread or leave the thread.

 

[Hollie]

No I can't prove the existence of God, nor disprove the existence of God,so God is still in play as an explanation for origins but is denied because of the naturalistic views. We can prove very little,it seems foolish to rule out anything. As for which God clearly the bible is much more worthy than any ancient writing I have read and the bible represents the old testament God as well as Christ.

I do need to proof read more often because I am often criticized for my posts.

My biggest hang up is, I can't imagine a necessity after necssity being produced time after time to what we observe today. From single celled organisms to multicelluar organisms showing complexity that is beyond our understanding. When harmful mutations could have just as easily been passed through the population as beneficial mutations.

The chances of almost all life containing left handed amino acids and not right handed amion acids with no mixture seems like a very unrealistic view to have happened by chance. Defense mechanisms; natural processes would think to provide such mechanisms to protect the organism that to me is a huge reach of the imagination. There are so many other things like pointed out that just screams a designer not naturalism.

It’s already been established that “supernaturalism” as the cause of existence is more a function of your limited imagination than a meaningful description of reality.

Your arguments are nothing more than a reiteration of the Michael Behe arguments later stolen and modified by Stephen Meyer. The creationist use of the silly “left handed / right handed amino acids” nonsense, the sillier “harmful / beneficial mutations slogans and the still sillier “the chances of this happening…”, have all been debunked long ago.

The last gasping breath of the creationist ministries resolves to failed attempts at discrediting science to bolster the Christian gawds. This is why creationists, who have nothing worth contributing to the scientific community, invariably appeal to their fellow creationists. They have found it necessary to publish their anti-science agenda in web based blogs or creationist web pages because none of the hundreds of legitimate scientific journals find their work meeting the standards for peer review. Creationist literature serves as a rallying point for the christian faithful, not as a means for critical evaluation of the bibles.

Your conjecture filled theories have done nothing of the sort. Wishful thinking on your part.

Not wishful thinking at all. Just an obvious difference between real science and creationist lies.
Science does not operate on the appeals to fear and ignorance that are staples of Christian creationist ministries. Scientists rely on empirical data, evidence, and assiduous peer-review and falsification to reach conclusions about the natural world. This is why it’s comical to see creationists leap back and forth into and out of faith to suit their arguments. For instance, we see with regularity your silly attempts to promote the bibles as science texts when ultimately, there is no science in any of the bibles. Yet, you won't see the futility in promoting your bibles as promoting carnival fortune telling.

Why not provide some data regarding your creation ministries doing actual research in the fields of biological sciences, paleontology and earth science? Have them publish in peer reviewed science journals so that other scientists can review their work?

We already know why that won’t happen, right? Your creation ministries have once again been exposed as frauds and liars.


Why Gauger's green-screened 'lab' is an appropriate target of ridicule - The Panda's Thumb

Why Gauger’s green-screened ‘lab’ is an appropriate target of ridicule

 

[Hollie]

The evidence presented is met with ridicule,example Aw Geez those people are just nuts.

You don't seem to understand that in connection with creationist charlatans, there is no evidence presented in support of their claims to supernaturalism.

The ridicule leveled at creationist charlatans is in connection with their baseless claims, lack of evidence and appeals to supernatural entities.

That's why creationist charlatans are routinely hustled out of court in utter disgrace.

Either leave your rhetoric out of the thread or leave the thread.

Better yet, email your creationist charlatan heroes and have them leave their religious fundamentalism out of the public schools.

How typical that you sidestep and avoid any attempt at addressing the salient points. Sidestepping and avoidance seems to be a common tactic of creationist charlatans.

 

[Hollie]

intelligent design can hardly be compared to voodoo

Of course it can. The reliance on fear and superstition is pervasive in both environments.

Hollie back your false claims up or leave the tread.

Support your false claims of leave the "tread".

 

[Hollie]

There are to many examples in nature to number.

Organs,blood,skeletal structures,eyes,brains,central nervous system,atmosphere,the sun and moon,our planet,oxygen,water,defense mechanisms that help protect organisms,
vegetation etc.Chance or purposeful design ?

Cancer, genetic defects, infection, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc.,

Purposeful design?

God warned what sin would bring.

The gawds warned of cancer and genetic defects?

Why did the men who wrote the bibles make your gawds out to be serial mass murderers, and the most evil villains?

 

[rightwinger]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

 

[Hollie]

You say there is no designer even though complexity points to a designer.

The onus is on both of us you to prove naturalism produced all we see. Me to show that all things were deigned and created. Neither one of us can do so,so it comes down to faith.

But the few things I pointed out better supports a designer than chance.

Nothing whatsoever points to a "designer".

The Dover, PA court case exposed the fraudulent "creationist" basis for a "designer".

Nothing you have pointed out supports your allegations.

I am a creationist,I agree with some tenets of ID and secular evolution.

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

Evolutionary science is not "secular".

AIG is a repository of Christian fundamentalist hacks.

The Dover trial thoroughly humiliated creationist charlatans.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

What is beyond you is understanding statistics. There is an old saying that there are lies, damn lies and statistics. Just as there is no correlation between what a majority of Republicans still believe about WMD's and reality there is no correlation between your poll results and the existence of your deity either. That you are gullible enough to believe that there is says volumes. Have a nice day.

Gullible many are but I would say the most gullible would be the ones believing life came from non-life lol.

While the final answer is still to be found and no, you don't have it, the scientific process is moving ever closer to the point where that is going to be discovered. Already the origins of the building blocks of life are known. The rest is just a matter of time and effort. All of the current evidence points towards a natural origin.

Yes, I'm quite sure that atheists will come to God realization if they continue to search for it.

God, by the way, is natural. Nothing could be more natural.

 

[Hollie]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

Not according to Henry Morris of the ICR.

"There is no observational fact imaginable which cannot, one way or another, be made to fit the creation model."

- Henry Morris
President, Institute for Creation Research

 

[Youwerecreated]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

 

[Hollie]

Gullible many are but I would say the most gullible would be the ones believing life came from non-life lol.

While the final answer is still to be found and no, you don't have it, the scientific process is moving ever closer to the point where that is going to be discovered. Already the origins of the building blocks of life are known. The rest is just a matter of time and effort. All of the current evidence points towards a natural origin.

Yes, I'm quite sure that atheists will come to God realization if they continue to search for it.

God, by the way, is natural. Nothing could be more natural.

If the gawds choose to unionize, there may be a messy process to determine which of the gawds becomes "The" gawd.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Nothing whatsoever points to a "designer".

The Dover, PA court case exposed the fraudulent "creationist" basis for a "designer".

Nothing you have pointed out supports your allegations.

I am a creationist,I agree with some tenets of ID and secular evolution.

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

Evolutionary science is not "secular".

AIG is a repository of Christian fundamentalist hacks.

The Dover trial thoroughly humiliated creationist charlatans.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Gullible many are but I would say the most gullible would be the ones believing life came from non-life lol.

While the final answer is still to be found and no, you don't have it, the scientific process is moving ever closer to the point where that is going to be discovered. Already the origins of the building blocks of life are known. The rest is just a matter of time and effort. All of the current evidence points towards a natural origin.

Yes, I'm quite sure that atheists will come to God realization if they continue to search for it.

God, by the way, is natural. Nothing could be more natural.

Not by our understanding of the term.

 

[Hollie]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

Odd that you chose to selectively edit portions of the events - just as you so often to post edited, parsed and falsified "quotes" from your creation ministries.

On December 14, 2004, 11 Dover parents, represented by the Pennsylvania ACLU, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and Pepper Hamilton LLP, filed suit in federal district court against the intelligent design policy of the Dover Area School Board.

On January 6, 2005, eight Dover High School science teachers sent a letter to the district superintendent refusing to read the DASB procedural statement on the grounds that intelligent design and Of Pandas and People were not good science, and that teaching intelligent design would violate their professional standards.

 

[Hollie]

I am a creationist,I agree with some tenets of ID and secular evolution.

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

Evolutionary science is not "secular".

AIG is a repository of Christian fundamentalist hacks.

The Dover trial thoroughly humiliated creationist charlatans.

Yet another of your compelling arguments.

 

[rightwinger]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

The fact that evolution occurs is beyond debate and is supported by fossil, biological and DNA evidence? The only theory applies to how and why it occurs.

The theory of God the creator has no scientific fact supporting it

 

[Youwerecreated]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

Odd that you chose to selectively edit portions of the events - just as you so often to post edited, parsed and falsified "quotes" from your creation ministries.

On December 14, 2004, 11 Dover parents, represented by the Pennsylvania ACLU, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and Pepper Hamilton LLP, filed suit in federal district court against the intelligent design policy of the Dover Area School Board.

On January 6, 2005, eight Dover High School science teachers sent a letter to the district superintendent refusing to read the DASB procedural statement on the grounds that intelligent design and Of Pandas and People were not good science, and that teaching intelligent design would violate their professional standards.

Sorry but you and the other ignoramuses got your ass handed to you.