Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[Hollie]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial

During the trial, lawyers for the plaintiffs showed that evolution is one of the best-tested and most thoroughly confirmed theories in the history of science, and that its unresolved questions are normal research problems–the type that arise in any flourishing scientific field.

U.S. District Court Judge John E. Jones III ultimately decided for the plaintiffs, writing in his decision that intelligent design "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents." As part of his decision, Judge Jones ordered the Dover school board to pay legal fees and damages, which were eventually set at $1 million.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

The fact that evolution occurs is beyond debate and is supported by fossil, biological and DNA evidence

The theory of God the creator has no scientific fact supporting it

Wrong,wrong,wrong some people should just remain silent on this issue.

 

[Hollie]

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

Odd that you chose to selectively edit portions of the events - just as you so often to post edited, parsed and falsified "quotes" from your creation ministries.

On December 14, 2004, 11 Dover parents, represented by the Pennsylvania ACLU, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and Pepper Hamilton LLP, filed suit in federal district court against the intelligent design policy of the Dover Area School Board.

On January 6, 2005, eight Dover High School science teachers sent a letter to the district superintendent refusing to read the DASB procedural statement on the grounds that intelligent design and Of Pandas and People were not good science, and that teaching intelligent design would violate their professional standards.

Sorry but you and the other ignoramuses got your ass handed to you.

Sorry, but Dover was yet another resounding defeat for fundamentalist Christians attempting to force their religious beliefs on others.

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial

During the trial, lawyers for the plaintiffs showed that evolution is one of the best-tested and most thoroughly confirmed theories in the history of science, and that its unresolved questions are normal research problems–the type that arise in any flourishing scientific field.

U.S. District Court Judge John E. Jones III ultimately decided for the plaintiffs, writing in his decision that intelligent design "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents." As part of his decision, Judge Jones ordered the Dover school board to pay legal fees and damages, which were eventually set at $1 million.

You ID'iots didn't just lose, you were exposed as frauds for presenting ID'iosy as something other than religion.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Evolution is a fact....

God is a theory

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial

During the trial, lawyers for the plaintiffs showed that evolution is one of the best-tested and most thoroughly confirmed theories in the history of science, and that its unresolved questions are normal research problems–the type that arise in any flourishing scientific field.

U.S. District Court Judge John E. Jones III ultimately decided for the plaintiffs, writing in his decision that intelligent design "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents." As part of his decision, Judge Jones ordered the Dover school board to pay legal fees and damages, which were eventually set at $1 million.

Like I said,I don't really care what a secular court decides that is ruled by anti God people. It was funny you were full of shit.

 

[Hollie]

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

The fact that evolution occurs is beyond debate and is supported by fossil, biological and DNA evidence

The theory of God the creator has no scientific fact supporting it

Wrong,wrong,wrong some people should just remain silent on this issue.

That unseemly drool on your keyboard notwithstanding, ID'iots have no business attempting to force their religion into the public schools.


Embrace it. Live it.

Or... just drink the Kool Aid.

The fact that evolution occurs is beyond debate and is supported by fossil, biological and DNA evidence

The theory of God the creator has no scientific fact supporting it

 

[Youwerecreated]

It’s already been established that “supernaturalism” as the cause of existence is more a function of your limited imagination than a meaningful description of reality.

Your arguments are nothing more than a reiteration of the Michael Behe arguments later stolen and modified by Stephen Meyer. The creationist use of the silly “left handed / right handed amino acids” nonsense, the sillier “harmful / beneficial mutations slogans and the still sillier “the chances of this happening…”, have all been debunked long ago.

The last gasping breath of the creationist ministries resolves to failed attempts at discrediting science to bolster the Christian gawds. This is why creationists, who have nothing worth contributing to the scientific community, invariably appeal to their fellow creationists. They have found it necessary to publish their anti-science agenda in web based blogs or creationist web pages because none of the hundreds of legitimate scientific journals find their work meeting the standards for peer review. Creationist literature serves as a rallying point for the christian faithful, not as a means for critical evaluation of the bibles.

Your conjecture filled theories have done nothing of the sort. Wishful thinking on your part.

Not wishful thinking at all. Just an obvious difference between real science and creationist lies.
Science does not operate on the appeals to fear and ignorance that are staples of Christian creationist ministries. Scientists rely on empirical data, evidence, and assiduous peer-review and falsification to reach conclusions about the natural world. This is why it’s comical to see creationists leap back and forth into and out of faith to suit their arguments. For instance, we see with regularity your silly attempts to promote the bibles as science texts when ultimately, there is no science in any of the bibles. Yet, you won't see the futility in promoting your bibles as promoting carnival fortune telling.

Why not provide some data regarding your creation ministries doing actual research in the fields of biological sciences, paleontology and earth science? Have them publish in peer reviewed science journals so that other scientists can review their work?

We already know why that won’t happen, right? Your creation ministries have once again been exposed as frauds and liars.


Why Gauger's green-screened 'lab' is an appropriate target of ridicule - The Panda's Thumb

Why Gauger’s green-screened ‘lab’ is an appropriate target of ridicule

So it took all the anti God activists kinda like you hollie to get this decision. When has God ever won anything in mans court ? Wait til the tables are turned. Now let's get the thread back on topic or leave the thread.

 

[Hollie]

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial

During the trial, lawyers for the plaintiffs showed that evolution is one of the best-tested and most thoroughly confirmed theories in the history of science, and that its unresolved questions are normal research problems–the type that arise in any flourishing scientific field.

U.S. District Court Judge John E. Jones III ultimately decided for the plaintiffs, writing in his decision that intelligent design "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents." As part of his decision, Judge Jones ordered the Dover school board to pay legal fees and damages, which were eventually set at $1 million.

Like I said,I don't really care what a secular court decides that is ruled by anti God people. It was funny you were full of shit.

What you believe are lies that you promote on behalf of your Christian creationist ministries.

I'm thankful that we had an opportunity for both sides of the issue to be addressed.

In doing so, ID'oisy was again exposed as Christian fundamentalism. Christian fundamentalism has no place in the public schools.

Maybe you just need some new gawds?

 

[rightwinger]

The Dover statement. this is read to all students lol.

Text of the intelligent design statement Dover, PA, teachers were instructed to read to their students:

The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s theory of evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part.

Because Darwin’s theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of Pandas and People,” is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves.

With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the origins of life to individual students and their families. As a standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on standards-based assessments.

Source: Dover Area School District News: Biology Curriculum Update

Defending ?Design? in Dover (Pennsylvania, USA) - Answers in Genesis

The fact that evolution occurs is beyond debate and is supported by fossil, biological and DNA evidence

The theory of God the creator has no scientific fact supporting it

Wrong,wrong,wrong some people should just remain silent on this issue.

Putting your head in the sand resolves nothing.

Evolution occurs.....FACT
You can argue the how's and whys all you want. Once DNA analysis came around your arguments became moot

The existence of GOD has never been more than theory......a theory unsubstantiated by scientific facts

 

[Hollie]

Your conjecture filled theories have done nothing of the sort. Wishful thinking on your part.

Not wishful thinking at all. Just an obvious difference between real science and creationist lies.
Science does not operate on the appeals to fear and ignorance that are staples of Christian creationist ministries. Scientists rely on empirical data, evidence, and assiduous peer-review and falsification to reach conclusions about the natural world. This is why it’s comical to see creationists leap back and forth into and out of faith to suit their arguments. For instance, we see with regularity your silly attempts to promote the bibles as science texts when ultimately, there is no science in any of the bibles. Yet, you won't see the futility in promoting your bibles as promoting carnival fortune telling.

Why not provide some data regarding your creation ministries doing actual research in the fields of biological sciences, paleontology and earth science? Have them publish in peer reviewed science journals so that other scientists can review their work?

We already know why that won’t happen, right? Your creation ministries have once again been exposed as frauds and liars.


Why Gauger's green-screened 'lab' is an appropriate target of ridicule - The Panda's Thumb

Why Gauger’s green-screened ‘lab’ is an appropriate target of ridicule

So it took all the anti God activists kinda like you hollie to get this decision. When has God ever won anything in mans court ? Wait til the tables are turned. Now let's get the thread back on topic or leave the thread.

"You'll get yours!" - a universally sustaining benediction for the religious zealot who uses his religion like a bloody truncheon. How cute.


So when will the tables turn?

 

[Derideo_Te]

There are to many examples in nature to number.

Organs,blood,skeletal structures,eyes,brains,central nervous system,atmosphere,the sun and moon,our planet,oxygen,water,defense mechanisms that help protect organisms,
vegetation etc.Chance or purposeful design ?

So your response is the "Aw gee whiz, everything is so complicated there must be a designer"?

The bogus "intelligent design" nonsense was effectively debunked in the Dover, PA court case by a Republican appointed judge. The plaintiffs proved that the "Aw gee whiz" examples provided by the Creationists were completely bogus and that there were interim forms that demonstrated the evolution of complex structures like the eye.

Furthermore they even produced the "interim form" of the "evolution" from creationism to "intelligent design".

Basically your fallacious allegation that you can "observe in nature" the "process of design" is nothing more than rewarmed "creationism" without the benefit of any actual substance.

link ?

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial

 

[Derideo_Te]

The courts are your proof they are politicians and are anti God talk about a biased view. For your information not all republicans believe in a creator

Yes you can't point to anything that had a complex beginning that was the result of natural causes concerning origins.

Totally disregaed of the evidence and the question.

The overwhelming evidence in the Dover, PA case exposed "intelligent design" as nothing but a fraudulent rehash of "creationism". That you refuse to accept the FACTUAL BASIS on which the court reached that decision merely exposes your willful blindness to REALITY.

I will admit creationists have been caught with their pants down but remember they are also dealing with secular courts. It will not always be that way.

As long as there are sane rational people around it will remain that way.

 

[Youwerecreated]

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial

During the trial, lawyers for the plaintiffs showed that evolution is one of the best-tested and most thoroughly confirmed theories in the history of science, and that its unresolved questions are normal research problems–the type that arise in any flourishing scientific field.

U.S. District Court Judge John E. Jones III ultimately decided for the plaintiffs, writing in his decision that intelligent design "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents." As part of his decision, Judge Jones ordered the Dover school board to pay legal fees and damages, which were eventually set at $1 million.

Like I said,I don't really care what a secular court decides that is ruled by anti God people. It was funny you were full of shit.

What you believe are lies that you promote on behalf of your Christian creationist ministries.

I'm thankful that we had an opportunity for both sides of the issue to be addressed.

In doing so, ID'oisy was again exposed as Christian fundamentalism. Christian fundamentalism has no place in the public schools.

Maybe you just need some new gawds?

Your side will be in court again but it will be Gods court the one and only creator. Didn't the court say O.J. Simpson was innocent lol ?

Like I said,an anti God secular court with all their activists rendered the decision.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The fact that evolution occurs is beyond debate and is supported by fossil, biological and DNA evidence

The theory of God the creator has no scientific fact supporting it

Wrong,wrong,wrong some people should just remain silent on this issue.

Putting your head in the sand resolves nothing.

Evolution occurs.....FACT
You can argue the how's and whys all you want. Once DNA analysis came around your arguments became moot

The existence of GOD has never been more than theory......a theory unsubstantiated by scientific facts

Micro evolution yes, Macro no.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The overwhelming evidence in the Dover, PA case exposed "intelligent design" as nothing but a fraudulent rehash of "creationism". That you refuse to accept the FACTUAL BASIS on which the court reached that decision merely exposes your willful blindness to REALITY.

I will admit creationists have been caught with their pants down but remember they are also dealing with secular courts. It will not always be that way.

As long as there are sane rational people around it will remain that way.

Your days are numbered and let's get back on topic, like the evidence you seem to avoid.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The overwhelming evidence in the Dover, PA case exposed "intelligent design" as nothing but a fraudulent rehash of "creationism". That you refuse to accept the FACTUAL BASIS on which the court reached that decision merely exposes your willful blindness to REALITY.

I will admit creationists have been caught with their pants down but remember they are also dealing with secular courts. It will not always be that way.

As long as there are sane rational people around it will remain that way.

It is because of a faulty interpretation of the constitution that lead to the amendment.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I will admit creationists have been caught with their pants down but remember they are also dealing with secular courts. It will not always be that way.

As long as there are sane rational people around it will remain that way.

Your days are numbered and let's get back on topic, like the evidence you seem to avoid.

Just for the record YOU were the one who took it off topic and furthermore YOU are the one who refuses to provide the evidence that supports your baseless allegation. So if YOU want to get back on topic YOU need to start producing some evidence.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong,wrong,wrong some people should just remain silent on this issue.

Putting your head in the sand resolves nothing.

Evolution occurs.....FACT
You can argue the how's and whys all you want. Once DNA analysis came around your arguments became moot

The existence of GOD has never been more than theory......a theory unsubstantiated by scientific facts

Micro evolution yes, Macro no.

DNA has shown the interrelationships between the species. There is much in common. Macro evolution occurs.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I will admit creationists have been caught with their pants down but remember they are also dealing with secular courts. It will not always be that way.

As long as there are sane rational people around it will remain that way.

It is because of a faulty interpretation of the constitution that lead to the amendment.

Non sequitur! Try putting that in some kind of context next time.

 

[Youwerecreated]

As long as there are sane rational people around it will remain that way.

It is because of a faulty interpretation of the constitution that lead to the amendment.

Non sequitur! Try putting that in some kind of context next time.

Wrong, you understood what I was saying.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Putting your head in the sand resolves nothing.

Evolution occurs.....FACT
You can argue the how's and whys all you want. Once DNA analysis came around your arguments became moot

The existence of GOD has never been more than theory......a theory unsubstantiated by scientific facts

Micro evolution yes, Macro no.

DNA has shown the interrelationships between the species. There is much in common. Macro evolution occurs.

Dna does no such of a thing we are genetically to far apart to be related to anything other than a human. That is merely an inference.