Why is the left still so angry???

[NYcarbineer]

Obamacare is a TAX law and TAX laws are changed, modified and even deleted all of the time by the Congress. You don't appear to be too stupid to understand that, but it is possible.

The shutdown was supposed to repeal, defund, delay or modify Obamacare. But even during the shutdown, Obamacare was being implemented. Are the Tea Party types too stupid to understand that?

And when congress changes, modifies or deletes tax laws, they do it through the legislative process, not by holding the whole of the government hostage.

Your point would resonate more if Obama hadn't changed Obamacare after it became law by delaying employer mandates for a year. Where was the legislative process?

The executive branch has the administrative power to alter the timelines for the implementation of laws.

 

[hangover]

Remember the words of con leader Tricky Dick, when he said, "When the president does it, it's not illegal."

 

[Sallow]

Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Even IF you suggested that Obama didn't continue these wars, it only accounts for about 2.5 trillion by 2017.


You guys are retarded.

And that doesn't take into account the fact that he's added more wars over seas which aren't being watch dogged by LOLberal fucktards since Bush left office. They were anti-war with Bush and now they are all pro-war with Obama. Just like republicans became the anti-war group under Obama while they were pro-war under Bush.

It's that partisan log jam both sides are stuck in. In the end, you've failed to show that all the increased debt is a result of Bush and republicans. But that wont stop you from repeating it ad neaseum. Because that is your main and most important political tactic. Blame republicans for everything. Even though LOLberals voted to go into Iraq too. Its still all republicans an bush.

That doesn't even begin to cover the cost of veterans benefits to the 30,000 or so that were wounded in Iraq..which of course isn't tacked to the military cost.

And you've forgotten to add in TARP, The Department of Homeland Security and the brand new Medicare Drug benefit.

That..and No Child Left Behind.

Are you talking about all of those bills that were passed by the Congress with BI-PARTISAN support? That means some Democrats voted FOR them, unlike the ACA where not a single Republican voted FOR it.

BTW, No Child Left Behind was authored by none other than Ted Kennedy in Bush's first attempt to have a civil relationship with the Democrats. Did a poor old dead Kennedy back stab Bush?

And there in lies the rub.

Under a Republican President, Democrats are willing to negotiate and compromise.

That sort of behavior doesn't exist with Republicans under a Democratic President.

They shutdown the government using the debt limit as a hostage under Carter, Clinton and Obama.

Every Modern Democratic President, Bar none, faced this very same situation.

 

[Nosmo King]

Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Even IF you suggested that Obama didn't continue these wars, it only accounts for about 2.5 trillion by 2017.


You guys are retarded.

And that doesn't take into account the fact that he's added more wars over seas which aren't being watch dogged by LOLberal fucktards since Bush left office. They were anti-war with Bush and now they are all pro-war with Obama. Just like republicans became the anti-war group under Obama while they were pro-war under Bush.

It's that partisan log jam both sides are stuck in. In the end, you've failed to show that all the increased debt is a result of Bush and republicans. But that wont stop you from repeating it ad neaseum. Because that is your main and most important political tactic. Blame republicans for everything. Even though LOLberals voted to go into Iraq too. Its still all republicans an bush.

That doesn't even begin to cover the cost of veterans benefits to the 30,000 or so that were wounded in Iraq..which of course isn't tacked to the military cost.

And you've forgotten to add in TARP, The Department of Homeland Security and the brand new Medicare Drug benefit.

That..and No Child Left Behind.

Are you talking about all of those bills that were passed by the Congress with BI-PARTISAN support? That means some Democrats voted FOR them, unlike the ACA where not a single Republican voted FOR it.

BTW, No Child Left Behind was authored by none other than Ted Kennedy in Bush's first attempt to have a civil relationship with the Democrats. Did a poor old dead Kennedy back stab Bush?

Where in the constitution or even in congressional rules does it state that both parties must agree or even cast votes in the affirmative before acts are passed? We are not a Parliamentarian system here and if your party does not vote in the affirmative but a majority does, the act passes.

 

[Contumacious]

Why is the left still so angry????

As you know The Communist Manifesto directs the Parasites to WREST BY DEGREE all political power and wealth.

But they want all of it now and the opposition locked up in GITMO.

And so it goes.

.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why is the left still so angry????

As you know The Communist Manifesto directs the Parasites to WREST BY DEGREE all political power and wealth.

But they want all of it now and the opposition locked up in GITMO.

And so it goes.

.

While the Constitution of the United States provides for a bi-cameral legislature and rule by majority. If the minority does not have adequate votes, their agenda does not pass.

So, for the past two weeks we saw a political minority attempt to 'WREST BY DEGREE all political power and wealth'.

The Tea Party delegation's irresponsible, petulant political theater clearly illustrates your point.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Even IF you suggested that Obama didn't continue these wars, it only accounts for about 2.5 trillion by 2017.


You guys are retarded.

And that doesn't take into account the fact that he's added more wars over seas which aren't being watch dogged by LOLberal fucktards since Bush left office. They were anti-war with Bush and now they are all pro-war with Obama. Just like republicans became the anti-war group under Obama while they were pro-war under Bush.

It's that partisan log jam both sides are stuck in. In the end, you've failed to show that all the increased debt is a result of Bush and republicans. But that wont stop you from repeating it ad neaseum. Because that is your main and most important political tactic. Blame republicans for everything. Even though LOLberals voted to go into Iraq too. Its still all republicans an bush.

That doesn't even begin to cover the cost of veterans benefits to the 30,000 or so that were wounded in Iraq..which of course isn't tacked to the military cost.

And you've forgotten to add in TARP, The Department of Homeland Security and the brand new Medicare Drug benefit.

That..and No Child Left Behind.

Are you talking about all of those bills that were passed by the Congress with BI-PARTISAN support? That means some Democrats voted FOR them, unlike the ACA where not a single Republican voted FOR it.

BTW, No Child Left Behind was authored by none other than Ted Kennedy in Bush's first attempt to have a civil relationship with the Democrats. Did a poor old dead Kennedy back stab Bush?

Shallow can only continue to debate by movingt he goal posts. It was the wars! Well, AND it was THIS too! And see!? Democrats voted for programs and wars that LOLberals dont like and that shows good negotiations!


You're a fucking despicable liar, and a hoorible debater, Shallow. Negged for being so.

 

[candycorn]

I'm left wing and I'm extatic about the events of this week. Now I hope Obama will be able to replace Scalia sometime in the next 3 years.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

That was what I asked you for in the first place. You refused to provide the link. Ergo you failed to substantiate your position. Feel free to do so now.

I don't recall you asking for a link but ok
[ame=http://youtu.be/mDo02UOIx9A]Obama: Sequester is 'Meat Cleaver' Approach - YouTube[/ame]
FEAR
[ame=http://youtu.be/HxDC6DL3U74]Obama Angry Gun Law Fails in Front of Newtown Parents - YouTube[/ame]
Anger

Post #129...

Quote: Originally Posted by JohnL.Burke View Post
The left is angry because Obama tells them to be angry. Fear and anger is his only source of power.
Got a link for that allegation?

As far as "anger" goes the opening statement in the first 20 seconds by Brian Williams calls it as a "RARE flash of anger".

The "fear" allegation is simply a clear warning of what would, and did, happen because of the Republican sequester.

So when Obama does his job by pointing out to the the American people the consequences of Republican economic intransigence this is "fear" mongering in your opinion? Does it rise to the level of claiming that there will be "mushroom clouds" over US cities? Something that was never going to happen.

Obviously what constitutes "fear" to you is nothing more that reality to the rest of the nation.

As I pointed out earlier, I assumed that you would agree with him. However, much of what he said about the sequester was obviously overblown or simply fictitious. Again, fear as a tool for support is Obama's usual strategy.
[ame=http://youtu.be/fLzLPbwqggU]Obama "cannon gurantee" social security checks - YouTube[/ame]

In terms of anger. Obama is famously petulant, angry and thin skinned when he is asked questions he doesn't like.
[ame=http://youtu.be/q1RtC7FwcTo]Angry Obama Dares GOP To "Go After Me" Instead of Susan Rice on Benghazi - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Derideo_Te]

I copied this from Ann Coulter's column and dare you to read it.

Too bad Coulter deliberately omitted the part about the prior 6 months when the Republicans flatly refused to negotiate on the budget at all. Instead they kept on passing those time wasting "repeal Obamacare" bills that they already knew were going nowhere. They could have used that time way more effectively by reaching a compromise with certain concessions on the ACA in return for other aspects that the Dems wanted. That is how the process was supposed to work but the Republicans choose to throw the rule book out of the window and use extortion instead to get their way. In the process they caused a great deal of harm to the American people and the reputation of this nation. Did Coulter omit that aspect too?

I am sure she did, since those 'repeal obamacare bills' are separate from the budget. Since you seem to have a rather severe lapse in memory, let me remind you that the Republican House passed a budget every year. They were declared DOA in the Democrat controlled Senate. Are you beginning to get the picture?

Passing "partisan budgets" that violate the requirement to fund legislation that is the law of the land does not meet the House's Constitutional obligations. The House is obliged to pass a Budget that meets the approval of the Senate and the Executive. If it fails to do so then it has a Constitutional duty to provide one that does. So far it has been derelict in upholding it's sworn duty to the Constitution.

 

[mudwhistle]

The congress PASSED Obamacare, the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare constitutional, Romney ran on repealing Obamacare and was defeated.

What the Tea Party wanted was for us to ignore a law passed by congress, ruled on by the Supreme Court and ignore the results of the election of 2012.

Of course the ransom called for by the Tea Party was non-negotiable. Because it passed, was ruled constitutional and the candidate wanting to repeal it was beaten.

The tactic used by the Tea Party was celebrated by the Tea Party, until it proved to be the debacle it was. Then the Tea Party refused to own its mistake. The blame for the shut down lies completely at the Tea Party doorstep. If they claim responsibility as a prime virtue, why are they trying to deflect blame for their mistake? It's as if they were hijackers, took over the plane and did not know how to fly it!

Obamacare is a TAX law and TAX laws are changed, modified and even deleted all of the time by the Congress. You don't appear to be too stupid to understand that, but it is possible.

The shutdown was supposed to repeal, defund, delay or modify Obamacare. But even during the shutdown, Obamacare was being implemented. Are the Tea Party types too stupid to understand that?

And when congress changes, modifies or deletes tax laws, they do it through the legislative process, not by holding the whole of the government hostage.

Modify. Mission accomplished. Thé Dems now want to push it back but they won't advertize it.

BTW, Obama made 19 changes to thé law himself. They added 11 million words to thé over 300,000 words already in it last jan.

Get with thé program.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I don't recall you asking for a link but ok
Obama: Sequester is 'Meat Cleaver' Approach - YouTube
FEAR
Obama Angry Gun Law Fails in Front of Newtown Parents - YouTube
Anger

Post #129...

Quote: Originally Posted by JohnL.Burke View Post
The left is angry because Obama tells them to be angry. Fear and anger is his only source of power.
Got a link for that allegation?

As far as "anger" goes the opening statement in the first 20 seconds by Brian Williams calls it as a "RARE flash of anger".

The "fear" allegation is simply a clear warning of what would, and did, happen because of the Republican sequester.

So when Obama does his job by pointing out to the the American people the consequences of Republican economic intransigence this is "fear" mongering in your opinion? Does it rise to the level of claiming that there will be "mushroom clouds" over US cities? Something that was never going to happen.

Obviously what constitutes "fear" to you is nothing more that reality to the rest of the nation.

As I pointed out earlier, I assumed that you would agree with him. However, much of what he said about the sequester was obviously overblown or simply fictitious. Again, fear as a tool for support is Obama's usual strategy.
[ame=http://youtu.be/fLzLPbwqggU]Obama "cannon gurantee" social security checks - YouTube[/ame]

In terms of anger. Obama is famously petulant, angry and thin skinned when he is asked questions he doesn't like.
[ame=http://youtu.be/q1RtC7FwcTo]Angry Obama Dares GOP To "Go After Me" Instead of Susan Rice on Benghazi - YouTube[/ame]

"much of what he said about the sequester was obviously overblown or simply fictitious"

In which case please provide links proving that to be the case.

Your personal dislike of Obama is becoming ever more apparent in that you are finding fault with what are normal human ways of expressing oneself.

You are entitled to your erroneous opinion but so far you haven't substantiated your allegation regarding "fear and anger".

 

[Vox]

Libs will never be happy because the rich will never be taxed enough.
And government will never spend enough to suit them...

until they find themselves behind the barbed wire in the rugs final equally poor with everybody else - but then they will be crying and wailing - how did THIS happen to US?!?

 

[Nosmo King]

Obamacare is a TAX law and TAX laws are changed, modified and even deleted all of the time by the Congress. You don't appear to be too stupid to understand that, but it is possible.

The shutdown was supposed to repeal, defund, delay or modify Obamacare. But even during the shutdown, Obamacare was being implemented. Are the Tea Party types too stupid to understand that?

And when congress changes, modifies or deletes tax laws, they do it through the legislative process, not by holding the whole of the government hostage.

Modify. Mission accomplished. Thé Dems now want to push it back but they won't advertize it.

BTW, Obama made 19 changes to thé law himself. They added 11 million words to thé over 300,000 words already in it last jan.

Get with thé program.

The program, well the program we call the Constitution of the United States of America, says that the Executive Branch is responsible for implementing law. Once it is passed by a majority in both houses of Congress, the responsibility of IMPLEMENTATION falls to the Executive.

 

[kaz]

Passing "partisan budgets" that violate the requirement to fund legislation that is the law of the land does not meet the House's Constitutional obligations

Pulling shit out of your ass, a liberal specialty. The next post will not be you backing up this lie, because it's a lie. So go ahead Homey, show where in the Constitution it says that Congresses have to fund programs that prior Congresses said they have to fund.

This is your cue. Now the question is if you'll deflect, make something up or just ignore the question...

 

[JohnL.Burke]

Post #129...


As far as "anger" goes the opening statement in the first 20 seconds by Brian Williams calls it as a "RARE flash of anger".

The "fear" allegation is simply a clear warning of what would, and did, happen because of the Republican sequester.

So when Obama does his job by pointing out to the the American people the consequences of Republican economic intransigence this is "fear" mongering in your opinion? Does it rise to the level of claiming that there will be "mushroom clouds" over US cities? Something that was never going to happen.

Obviously what constitutes "fear" to you is nothing more that reality to the rest of the nation.

As I pointed out earlier, I assumed that you would agree with him. However, much of what he said about the sequester was obviously overblown or simply fictitious. Again, fear as a tool for support is Obama's usual strategy.
[ame=http://youtu.be/fLzLPbwqggU]Obama "cannon gurantee" social security checks - YouTube[/ame]

In terms of anger. Obama is famously petulant, angry and thin skinned when he is asked questions he doesn't like.
[ame=http://youtu.be/q1RtC7FwcTo]Angry Obama Dares GOP To "Go After Me" Instead of Susan Rice on Benghazi - YouTube[/ame]

"much of what he said about the sequester was obviously overblown or simply fictitious"

In which case please provide links proving that to be the case.

Your personal dislike of Obama is becoming ever more apparent in that you are finding fault with what are normal human ways of expressing oneself.

You are entitled to your erroneous opinion but so far you haven't substantiated your allegation regarding "fear and anger".

Why do I have a feeling that if I had a video of Obama molesting a puppy you would describe it as a normal human way of expressing oneself. Your devotion to Obama is noted.

 

[007]

THIS is when the left will be happy...

​

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.[9][10]

Even IF you suggested that Obama didn't continue these wars, it only accounts for about 2.5 trillion by 2017.


You guys are retarded.

And that doesn't take into account the fact that he's added more wars over seas which aren't being watch dogged by LOLberal fucktards since Bush left office. They were anti-war with Bush and now they are all pro-war with Obama. Just like republicans became the anti-war group under Obama while they were pro-war under Bush.

It's that partisan log jam both sides are stuck in. In the end, you've failed to show that all the increased debt is a result of Bush and republicans. But that wont stop you from repeating it ad neaseum. Because that is your main and most important political tactic. Blame republicans for everything. Even though LOLberals voted to go into Iraq too. Its still all republicans an bush.

That doesn't even begin to cover the cost of veterans benefits to the 30,000 or so that were wounded in Iraq..which of course isn't tacked to the military cost.

And you've forgotten to add in TARP, The Department of Homeland Security and the brand new Medicare Drug benefit.

That..and No Child Left Behind.

Just to show what a despicable fuckin' liar you are, lets have some vote roll calls on these measures:

TARP: H.R. 1424 (110th): Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (On the Senate Amendment)

Totals Democrat Republican
Yea 263 61% 172 91
Nay 171 39% 63 108
Required: Simple Majority

H.R. 1424 (110th): Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (On the Senate Amendment) -- GovTrack.us

Department of Homeland Security
HR 5005 Establishing the Department of Homeland Security - Voting Record - U.S. House - Project Vote Smart

Date: July 26, 2002
Issues: Executive Branch, National Security
Bill: Establishing the Department of Homeland Security Roll Number: 367
Yea: 295 Nay: 132
Bill Passed (House) UNANIMOUS


No Child Left Behind
H.R. 1 (107th): No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (On the Conference Report) -- GovTrack.us
(house and senate votes)
Totals Republican Democrat Independent Independent/Republican
Aye 381 88% 182 198 1 0
No 41 9% 33 6 1 1

Yea 87 87% 43 44 0 Nay 10 10% 6 3





You're such a low information, partisan retard Shallow. But exposing you as such sure is delightful! You'll be back around again later to spread more disinformation and lies regarding who's to blame for things.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Why is the left still so angry???

Because we're tired of having to clean up the mess the right makes every time they get the chance. Like the Great Depression, Silverado S&L, Enron, Iran/Contra, the $10 trillion cons added to the debt, the real estate collapse, the global economic collapse, and the Iraq/Afghan wars. And on top of all that, the cons try to default on the debt after running it up. We're really tired of republicans trying to do Al Qaeda's work for them.

so....despite your lies.....it's the nasty Republicans who are forcing you to become a Socialist....?

 

[JohnL.Burke]

The shutdown was supposed to repeal, defund, delay or modify Obamacare. But even during the shutdown, Obamacare was being implemented. Are the Tea Party types too stupid to understand that?

And when congress changes, modifies or deletes tax laws, they do it through the legislative process, not by holding the whole of the government hostage.

Your point would resonate more if Obama hadn't changed Obamacare after it became law by delaying employer mandates for a year. Where was the legislative process?

Obama did not "change" the ACA law. Only Congress can do that. The Executive branch is responsible for the implementation of the law and has the leeway to change the timetable and the prioritization.

Democratic senator Tom Harkin seems to disagree with your assertion along with many other folks of course. Perhaps you're right, don't know, it does seem to muddy the waters though.