Why Must Atheists Be So "in Your Face"?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'Why Must Atheists Be So "in Your Face"?'

Now that's irony.

 

[the_human_being]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

Are they going Door to Door like the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do trying to convert people to Atheism?

No. What has that to do with anyone except the Mormons and JW's. I am neither of those. Because someone kills someone does that mean everyone does the same? That's stupid logic.

Let's be honest here, you thumpers do show up on street corners hawking your wares. Not as often as others, but you folks are all in the unsolicited sales business

Not this one. You haven't heard this one preach anything at all to any of you. The fact is, I had a thread on here against lay Christians preaching. Both sides are at fault.

 

[the_human_being]

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

I tend to say bullshit

However, I have met my share of holy rollers who insert Jesus into every other sentence. They even forced it into the pledge of allegiance and our money

I've seen atheists who invoke Jesus and Christ a whole lot more often than most Christians I have met. They appear obsessed with religion or at least their hatred of religion. I don't care if you hate religion and God and Jesus. I just want you to get out of my face with it. It's none of my business and I don't want it to be.

It's our job to save you from yourselves, and each other.

No, it isn't. That would be oppression. Advocate freedom instead and let people be(lieve) as they wish. And yes, I'm speaking to both sides of the debate.

Sarcasm doesn't come across real well in written text, obviously.

I'll make the point that advocating freedom is not on the fundie Christian agenda. They are not honest players. Their agenda is to press a religious perspective that is far from advocating freedom.

By way of example, we can review the laughable circus surrounding so-called intelligent design creationism that has been a hallmark of fundies attempting to circumvent constitutional law.

The industry of extremist Christians is defined by earlier attempts made by "creationists" to force Christian creationism into the schools. They made no effort to conceal the agenda of promoting Biblical literalism. Those efforts were originally titled as "Biblical Creationism" with great candor. Faced with the correct legal conclusions that it was merely religion, they retreated and renamed it "Scientific Creationism," making a half hearted attempt to edit out explicit Biblical references... but that fooled no one. When that met an equally unambiguous decision in the courts, the new version became "Intelligent Design Creationism." In the process, the Christian creationist movement has become progressively less candid, more angry, more extremist and frankly more pathetic.

Same thing applies equally well to atheists. I'm for everyone minding their own business but everyone, including both Christians and atheists, seem to want to meddle in everyone else's business.

 

[the_human_being]

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

The irony here is really quite thick.

Do you think he'll get it?

Nah!

Yes I get it. You simply must poke your little nose in someone else's business. You're just like old busy-bodied gossiping women.

 

[the_human_being]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

I tend to say bullshit

However, I have met my share of holy rollers who insert Jesus into every other sentence. They even forced it into the pledge of allegiance and our money

I've seen atheists who invoke Jesus and Christ a whole lot more often than most Christians I have met. They appear obsessed with religion or at least their hatred of religion. I don't care if you hate religion and God and Jesus. I just want you to get out of my face with it. It's none of my business and I don't want it to be.

Most atheists I know only speak generically about God
If you don't believe in God, why even bring up his son?

Why bring ANY of it up at all if you are a non-believer? I actually do know a few who never mention anything of a religious nature to anyone. That's the way it should be for both sides of the issue.

 

[the_human_being]

I've been close to two atheists, and neither one of them tried to push their beliefs on me or mocked my beliefs. I think intolerant atheists who feel compelled to belittle those who don't see things from their perspective, are often doing so to reinforce their own beliefs...similar to how political opponents jab at one another. It's an attitude of: I'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion.

Yes. I've been close to a couple of atheists like that myself. They were liked and respected by everyone, but many of them bring up religion even more frequently than the Christians do. They seem obsessed by religion. They are fanatics. Of course, we also have the religious fanatics. I suppose there are dingbats on all sides of every issue.

 

[dblack]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

Were they raised with a religious faith?

 

[the_human_being]

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

Gallup Poll Indicates Americans Only Hear About Jesus 48 Times a Day

Recent poll results indicate that Americans are only exposed 48 times a day to the Christian message that God loves them, but if they don’t love Him back, He is going to burn them in Hell forever. "48 times a day is not nearly enough exposure," Christian Conversion Specialist, Judy O'Christian argues. "We need to hit these libruls with the message of Jesus' Love, and tell them He'll send them to hell if they don't convert, at least once every ten minutes! If you don't do it constantly, sometimes for hours at a time, they'll start believing silly stories about "science," and so-called, "logic." God wants us to convict these sinners 24/7!"

And exactly what has that to do with the issue? I'm exposed to ads for Burger King Whopper sandwiches about the same number of times a day but I don't buy them.

 

[Hollie]

I tend to say bullshit

However, I have met my share of holy rollers who insert Jesus into every other sentence. They even forced it into the pledge of allegiance and our money

I've seen atheists who invoke Jesus and Christ a whole lot more often than most Christians I have met. They appear obsessed with religion or at least their hatred of religion. I don't care if you hate religion and God and Jesus. I just want you to get out of my face with it. It's none of my business and I don't want it to be.

It's our job to save you from yourselves, and each other.

No, it isn't. That would be oppression. Advocate freedom instead and let people be(lieve) as they wish. And yes, I'm speaking to both sides of the debate.

Sarcasm doesn't come across real well in written text, obviously.

I'll make the point that advocating freedom is not on the fundie Christian agenda. They are not honest players. Their agenda is to press a religious perspective that is far from advocating freedom.

By way of example, we can review the laughable circus surrounding so-called intelligent design creationism that has been a hallmark of fundies attempting to circumvent constitutional law.

The industry of extremist Christians is defined by earlier attempts made by "creationists" to force Christian creationism into the schools. They made no effort to conceal the agenda of promoting Biblical literalism. Those efforts were originally titled as "Biblical Creationism" with great candor. Faced with the correct legal conclusions that it was merely religion, they retreated and renamed it "Scientific Creationism," making a half hearted attempt to edit out explicit Biblical references... but that fooled no one. When that met an equally unambiguous decision in the courts, the new version became "Intelligent Design Creationism." In the process, the Christian creationist movement has become progressively less candid, more angry, more extremist and frankly more pathetic.

Same thing applies equally well to atheists. I'm for everyone minding their own business but everyone, including both Christians and atheists, seem to want to meddle in everyone else's business.

The same thing d

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

The irony here is really quite thick.

Do you think he'll get it?

Nah!

Yes I get it. You simply must poke your little nose in someone else's business. You're just like old busy-bodied gossiping women.

You opened the thread. Did you not expect people to comment?

Did you forget you were posting on a public discussion board?

 

[the_human_being]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

Were they raised with a religious faith?

Not really. They were raised by their grandparents who haven't been to a church in years but everyone in America is exposed to it via television, radio, and there's a church on nearly every corner. I'm sure they had some acquaintances who went to church. Many in the family do.

 

[Hollie]

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

Gallup Poll Indicates Americans Only Hear About Jesus 48 Times a Day

Recent poll results indicate that Americans are only exposed 48 times a day to the Christian message that God loves them, but if they don’t love Him back, He is going to burn them in Hell forever. "48 times a day is not nearly enough exposure," Christian Conversion Specialist, Judy O'Christian argues. "We need to hit these libruls with the message of Jesus' Love, and tell them He'll send them to hell if they don't convert, at least once every ten minutes! If you don't do it constantly, sometimes for hours at a time, they'll start believing silly stories about "science," and so-called, "logic." God wants us to convict these sinners 24/7!"

And exactly what has that to do with the issue? I'm exposed to ads for Burger King Whopper sandwiches about the same number of times a day but I don't buy them.

The burger dude is not thumping you with fries and a soda, threatening eternal damnation if you buy his product.

 

[the_human_being]

I've seen atheists who invoke Jesus and Christ a whole lot more often than most Christians I have met. They appear obsessed with religion or at least their hatred of religion. I don't care if you hate religion and God and Jesus. I just want you to get out of my face with it. It's none of my business and I don't want it to be.

It's our job to save you from yourselves, and each other.

No, it isn't. That would be oppression. Advocate freedom instead and let people be(lieve) as they wish. And yes, I'm speaking to both sides of the debate.

Sarcasm doesn't come across real well in written text, obviously.

I'll make the point that advocating freedom is not on the fundie Christian agenda. They are not honest players. Their agenda is to press a religious perspective that is far from advocating freedom.

By way of example, we can review the laughable circus surrounding so-called intelligent design creationism that has been a hallmark of fundies attempting to circumvent constitutional law.

The industry of extremist Christians is defined by earlier attempts made by "creationists" to force Christian creationism into the schools. They made no effort to conceal the agenda of promoting Biblical literalism. Those efforts were originally titled as "Biblical Creationism" with great candor. Faced with the correct legal conclusions that it was merely religion, they retreated and renamed it "Scientific Creationism," making a half hearted attempt to edit out explicit Biblical references... but that fooled no one. When that met an equally unambiguous decision in the courts, the new version became "Intelligent Design Creationism." In the process, the Christian creationist movement has become progressively less candid, more angry, more extremist and frankly more pathetic.

Same thing applies equally well to atheists. I'm for everyone minding their own business but everyone, including both Christians and atheists, seem to want to meddle in everyone else's business.

The same thing d

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

The irony here is really quite thick.

Do you think he'll get it?

Nah!

Yes I get it. You simply must poke your little nose in someone else's business. You're just like old busy-bodied gossiping women.

You opened the thread. Did you not expect people to comment?

Did you forget you were posting on a public discussion board?

Yes Hollie but intelligent discussion, not your usual troll.

 

[the_human_being]

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

Gallup Poll Indicates Americans Only Hear About Jesus 48 Times a Day

Recent poll results indicate that Americans are only exposed 48 times a day to the Christian message that God loves them, but if they don’t love Him back, He is going to burn them in Hell forever. "48 times a day is not nearly enough exposure," Christian Conversion Specialist, Judy O'Christian argues. "We need to hit these libruls with the message of Jesus' Love, and tell them He'll send them to hell if they don't convert, at least once every ten minutes! If you don't do it constantly, sometimes for hours at a time, they'll start believing silly stories about "science," and so-called, "logic." God wants us to convict these sinners 24/7!"

And exactly what has that to do with the issue? I'm exposed to ads for Burger King Whopper sandwiches about the same number of times a day but I don't buy them.

The burger dude is not thumping you with fries and a soda, threatening eternal damnation if you buy his product.

I don't believe you actually listen either. You mean they hold you hostage? Even the mad ramblings of my nephews don't hold me hostage. I simply make an excuse and walk away from their preaching.

 

[dblack]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

Were they raised with a religious faith?

Not really. They were raised by their grandparents who haven't been to a church in years but everyone in America is exposed to it via television, radio, and there's a church on nearly every corner. I'm sure they had some acquaintances who went to church. Many in the family do.

I just wondered, because in my experience, people who've spent significant time committed to a faith, or who were raised in a strict religious household, are often the most aggressive atheists once they've lost their faith. But that's anecdotal. I haven't really seen studies on that dynamic.

 

[the_human_being]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

I tend to say bullshit

However, I have met my share of holy rollers who insert Jesus into every other sentence. They even forced it into the pledge of allegiance and our money

I've seen atheists who invoke Jesus and Christ a whole lot more often than most Christians I have met. They appear obsessed with religion or at least their hatred of religion. I don't care if you hate religion and God and Jesus. I just want you to get out of my face with it. It's none of my business and I don't want it to be.

It's our job to save you from yourselves, and each other.

No, it isn't. That would be oppression. Advocate freedom instead and let people be(lieve) as they wish. And yes, I'm speaking to both sides of the debate.

Exactly!! None of my business what you believe. All I want you to do is keep it to yourself.

 

[the_human_being]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

Were they raised with a religious faith?

Not really. They were raised by their grandparents who haven't been to a church in years but everyone in America is exposed to it via television, radio, and there's a church on nearly every corner. I'm sure they had some acquaintances who went to church. Many in the family do.

I just wondered, because in my experience, people who've spent significant time committed to a faith, or who were raised in a strict religious household, are often the most aggressive atheists once they've lost their faith. But that's anecdotal. I haven't really seen studies on that dynamic.

I don't need to do a study or read a book. I just want some common sense and decency to apply.

 

[Hollie]

It's our job to save you from yourselves, and each other.

No, it isn't. That would be oppression. Advocate freedom instead and let people be(lieve) as they wish. And yes, I'm speaking to both sides of the debate.

Sarcasm doesn't come across real well in written text, obviously.

I'll make the point that advocating freedom is not on the fundie Christian agenda. They are not honest players. Their agenda is to press a religious perspective that is far from advocating freedom.

By way of example, we can review the laughable circus surrounding so-called intelligent design creationism that has been a hallmark of fundies attempting to circumvent constitutional law.

The industry of extremist Christians is defined by earlier attempts made by "creationists" to force Christian creationism into the schools. They made no effort to conceal the agenda of promoting Biblical literalism. Those efforts were originally titled as "Biblical Creationism" with great candor. Faced with the correct legal conclusions that it was merely religion, they retreated and renamed it "Scientific Creationism," making a half hearted attempt to edit out explicit Biblical references... but that fooled no one. When that met an equally unambiguous decision in the courts, the new version became "Intelligent Design Creationism." In the process, the Christian creationist movement has become progressively less candid, more angry, more extremist and frankly more pathetic.

Same thing applies equally well to atheists. I'm for everyone minding their own business but everyone, including both Christians and atheists, seem to want to meddle in everyone else's business.

The same thing d

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

The irony here is really quite thick.

Do you think he'll get it?

Nah!

Yes I get it. You simply must poke your little nose in someone else's business. You're just like old busy-bodied gossiping women.

You opened the thread. Did you not expect people to comment?

Did you forget you were posting on a public discussion board?

Yes Hollie but intelligent discussion, not your usual troll.

You actually did miss the irony of your troll'ish thread.

 

[the_human_being]

No, it isn't. That would be oppression. Advocate freedom instead and let people be(lieve) as they wish. And yes, I'm speaking to both sides of the debate.

Sarcasm doesn't come across real well in written text, obviously.

I'll make the point that advocating freedom is not on the fundie Christian agenda. They are not honest players. Their agenda is to press a religious perspective that is far from advocating freedom.

By way of example, we can review the laughable circus surrounding so-called intelligent design creationism that has been a hallmark of fundies attempting to circumvent constitutional law.

The industry of extremist Christians is defined by earlier attempts made by "creationists" to force Christian creationism into the schools. They made no effort to conceal the agenda of promoting Biblical literalism. Those efforts were originally titled as "Biblical Creationism" with great candor. Faced with the correct legal conclusions that it was merely religion, they retreated and renamed it "Scientific Creationism," making a half hearted attempt to edit out explicit Biblical references... but that fooled no one. When that met an equally unambiguous decision in the courts, the new version became "Intelligent Design Creationism." In the process, the Christian creationist movement has become progressively less candid, more angry, more extremist and frankly more pathetic.

Same thing applies equally well to atheists. I'm for everyone minding their own business but everyone, including both Christians and atheists, seem to want to meddle in everyone else's business.

The same thing d

The irony here is really quite thick.

Do you think he'll get it?

Nah!

Yes I get it. You simply must poke your little nose in someone else's business. You're just like old busy-bodied gossiping women.

You opened the thread. Did you not expect people to comment?

Did you forget you were posting on a public discussion board?

Yes Hollie but intelligent discussion, not your usual troll.

You actually did miss the irony of your troll'ish thread.

I wish I could miss you but you show up trolling on every thread. I'm sorry that you cannot find anyone who will talk to you but again, that's not my problem.

 

[dblack]

I've never had an atheist knock on my door and try to convince me that there is no God

I've got two in the family and it is an obsession with both of them. They can't talk about the weather or fishing or football without bringing up their disdain for God into the conversation. I don't know how their boss at work puts up with them.

Were they raised with a religious faith?

Not really. They were raised by their grandparents who haven't been to a church in years but everyone in America is exposed to it via television, radio, and there's a church on nearly every corner. I'm sure they had some acquaintances who went to church. Many in the family do.

I just wondered, because in my experience, people who've spent significant time committed to a faith, or who were raised in a strict religious household, are often the most aggressive atheists once they've lost their faith. But that's anecdotal. I haven't really seen studies on that dynamic.

I don't need to do a study or read a book. I just want some common sense and decency to apply.

Agreed. I think often those people are the most adamant about their lack of faith because they're angry and resentful - feeling like they've been duped. People raised without a religious faith generally don't talk about it much, expect, perhaps, when they're the target of proselytizing from believers.

But to directly answer the question of the thread, "Why must atheists be so in your face?" - They mustn't. And most aren't.

 

[Hollie]

Why do atheists feel they must be so "in your face" with their anit-Christ views? Do atheist not recognize that many folks simply do not wish to be forced into listening to their same old tired and worn-out arguments and the bashing of other members of society? Let others believe as they wish, whether in Islam, Buddhism, Platonism, Mormonism, Christianity, or whether they believe in anything at all. Please - Get out of our faces and just SHUT UP!!

Gallup Poll Indicates Americans Only Hear About Jesus 48 Times a Day

Recent poll results indicate that Americans are only exposed 48 times a day to the Christian message that God loves them, but if they don’t love Him back, He is going to burn them in Hell forever. "48 times a day is not nearly enough exposure," Christian Conversion Specialist, Judy O'Christian argues. "We need to hit these libruls with the message of Jesus' Love, and tell them He'll send them to hell if they don't convert, at least once every ten minutes! If you don't do it constantly, sometimes for hours at a time, they'll start believing silly stories about "science," and so-called, "logic." God wants us to convict these sinners 24/7!"

And exactly what has that to do with the issue? I'm exposed to ads for Burger King Whopper sandwiches about the same number of times a day but I don't buy them.

The burger dude is not thumping you with fries and a soda, threatening eternal damnation if you buy his product.

I don't believe you actually listen either. You mean they hold you hostage? Even the mad ramblings of my nephews don't hold me hostage. I simply make an excuse and walk away from their preaching.

It's not as simple as you would hope to portray it. Maybe you're hoping to ignore the facts but the facts are that the extremist Christian right has repeatedly been blocked by the judicial system on matters of constitutional law. This is in connection with their attempts to force fundamentalist Christian dogma into the school system.

It's a simpletons solution to suggest that one just "walks away".