Why Obamacare is failing.

[AntonToo]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

 

[AntonToo]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Take your Obama care mandate

Here are the origins of personal mandate ideas:

Mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance. Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seat-belts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement.

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans | The Heritage Foundation


Just in case you don't know what Heritage exists to do:

Leading the Conservative Movement
The Heritage Foundation effectively communicates rigorous conservative policy research to Congress and the American people.

Heritage foundation is 100% wrong in this case… I disagree with them in many areas as do many other libertarians

No problem, you conservatives will come up with something else good any minuet now...only to get fucking bonkers and vehemently reject it as soon as Democrats gowd forbid agree to it again.

 

[Rustic]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

 

[Rustic]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Take your Obama care mandate

Here are the origins of personal mandate ideas:

Mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance. Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seat-belts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement.

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans | The Heritage Foundation


Just in case you don't know what Heritage exists to do:

Leading the Conservative Movement
The Heritage Foundation effectively communicates rigorous conservative policy research to Congress and the American people.

Heritage foundation is 100% wrong in this case… I disagree with them in many areas as do many other libertarians

No problem, you conservatives will come up with something else good any minuet now...only to get fucking bonkers and vehemently reject it as soon as Democrats gowd forbid agree to it again.

You force something on people that they do not want and will not use… Karma is a bitch

 

[Mac1958]

You can't completely distort markets and then expect something this complicated to work based on a functioning market. Jesus.

Come on. I have little respect for politicians, but I would think they'd at LEAST know THAT.

If they really wanted Single Payer, that's what they should have gone for, and passed it with the same number of votes.

This is a fucking mess, and they should have known. A lot of people did.
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[Rustic]

You can't completely distort markets and then expect it to work based on a functioning market. Jesus.

I have little respect for politicians, but I would think they'd at LEAST know THAT.

If they really wanted Single Payer, that's what they should have gone for, and passed it with the same number of votes.

This is a fucking mess, and they should have known. A lot of people did.
.

True, force something on people that they do not want and will not use… Like I said Karma is a bitch
If single payer was forced on the people it would be Civil War

 

[AntonToo]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

 

[Rustic]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

Socialist entitlement programs are never based on "for the good of the people" it's all about control by the federal government

 

[AntonToo]

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

Socialist entitlement programs are never based on "for the good of the people" it's all about control by the federal government

Yea good luck with that righwing bullshit, though I must warn you - you are in for a full lifetime of disappointment.

 

[Rustic]

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

Socialist entitlement programs are never based on "for the good of the people" it's all about control by the federal government

Yea good luck with that righwing bullshit, though I must warn you - you are in for a full lifetime of disappointment.

I would only be a fool to trust the federal government for my so-called "happiness"… Federal government is unable to provide such

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

The whole plan was underhanded on how it was passed.... karma is a bitch

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

 

[Rustic]

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

Socialist entitlement programs are never based on "for the good of the people" it's all about control by the federal government

Yea good luck with that righwing bullshit, though I must warn you - you are in for a full lifetime of disappointment.

 

[AntonToo]

It was a nearly pure replica of a Republican plan, penned by Heritage and implemented by Romney in his state, celebrated by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama/Democrats agreed to it and suddenly not a single Republican wanted to take a YES for an answer.

Take your "how it was passed" and shove it up your ass.

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

Bullshit - Conservatives have been claiming "collapsing!!!" about Obamacare since it's launch, while putting up road blocks like lawsuits and state level opposition at every turn. ACA was certainly not a perfect law but reality is that there was nothing fundamental about it that could not be small-patch fixed and built on.

ACA's primary problem is intellectually defunct righting reactionary movement. There is at this point a full blown uncertainty in the individual insurance market. Trump's EO already puts personal mandate into question and Republicans state in no uncertain terms that a full a full repeal is coming while giving Americans and insurance companies NOTHING to go on as far as understanding what the replacement would be.

Put yourself into the shoes of insurance company and explain to me how it is at all possible to advance a business plan for next enrollment in this sort of environment.


You don't get to punch holes in the hull and then bitch about a sinking ship.

 

[Rustic]

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

Bullshit - Conservatives have been claiming "collapsing!!!" about Obamacare since it's launch, while putting up road blocks like lawsuits and state level opposition at every turn. ACA was certainly not a perfect law but reality is that there was nothing fundamental about it that could not be small-patch fixed and built on.

ACA's primary problem is intellectually defunct righting reactionary movement. There is at this point a full blown uncertainty in the individual insurance market. Trump's EO already puts personal mandate into question and Republicans state in no uncertain terms that a full a full repeal is coming while giving Americans and insurance companies NOTHING to go on as far as understanding what the replacement would be.

Put yourself into the shoes of insurance company and explain to me how it is at all possible to advance a business plan for next enrollment in this sort of environment

Well it should be obvious, it's not meant to be. It's a really shitty idea not to mention wrong To the core.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

Bullshit - Conservatives have been claiming "collapsing!!!" about Obamacare since it's launch, while putting up road blocks like lawsuits and state level opposition at every turn. ACA was certainly not a perfect law but reality is that there was nothing fundamental about it that could not be small-patch fixed and built on.

ACA's primary problem is intellectually defunct righting reactionary movement. There is at this point a full blown uncertainty in the individual insurance market. Trump's EO already puts personal mandate into question and Republicans state in no uncertain terms a full repeal while giving Americans and insurance companies NOTHING to go on as far as understanding what the replacement would be.

Put yourself into the shoes of insurance company and explain to me how it is at all possible to have a business plan in this sort of environment

No need to. The insurance companies have already answered your question. They were bullied into participating, lost their ass and are quitting the Obarrycare house of cards game.

 

[AntonToo]

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

Bullshit - Conservatives have been claiming "collapsing!!!" about Obamacare since it's launch, while putting up road blocks like lawsuits and state level opposition at every turn. ACA was certainly not a perfect law but reality is that there was nothing fundamental about it that could not be small-patch fixed and built on.

ACA's primary problem is intellectually defunct righting reactionary movement. There is at this point a full blown uncertainty in the individual insurance market. Trump's EO already puts personal mandate into question and Republicans state in no uncertain terms a full repeal while giving Americans and insurance companies NOTHING to go on as far as understanding what the replacement would be.

Put yourself into the shoes of insurance company and explain to me how it is at all possible to have a business plan in this sort of environment

No need to. The insurance companies have already answered your question. They were bullied into participating, lost their ass and are quitting the Obarrycare house of cards game.

except the facts.

They musta been forced

 

[Rustic]

Yep just another example of breaking the system while complaining it doesn't work - THANKS!

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

Bullshit - Conservatives have been claiming "collapsing!!!" about Obamacare since it's launch, while putting up road blocks like lawsuits and state level opposition at every turn. ACA was certainly not a perfect law but reality is that there was nothing fundamental about it that could not be small-patch fixed and built on.

ACA's primary problem is intellectually defunct righting reactionary movement. There is at this point a full blown uncertainty in the individual insurance market. Trump's EO already puts personal mandate into question and Republicans state in no uncertain terms a full repeal while giving Americans and insurance companies NOTHING to go on as far as understanding what the replacement would be.

Put yourself into the shoes of insurance company and explain to me how it is at all possible to have a business plan in this sort of environment

No need to. The insurance companies have already answered your question. They were bullied into participating, lost their ass and are quitting the Obarrycare house of cards game.

No doubt, it's Dying a death of 1000 cuts. Without the mandate which forced people that wanted nothing to do with it and would never use it into the horseshit.

 

[Rustic]

No one should be forced into another socialist entitlement program... karma is a bitch

Oh stfu already with your "socialist!!" safe-spaces and ideological blathering. All you rightwinger fools are good for is constant knee-jerk nononoonoing and wrecking real solutions that help real people.

What have we done to wreck Obarrycare? Nothing. It is collapsing all by itself. Just like we said it would. It is nothing more than another program devised, implemented and voted for by the RaTz that is going belly up.

Bullshit - Conservatives have been claiming "collapsing!!!" about Obamacare since it's launch, while putting up road blocks like lawsuits and state level opposition at every turn. ACA was certainly not a perfect law but reality is that there was nothing fundamental about it that could not be small-patch fixed and built on.

ACA's primary problem is intellectually defunct righting reactionary movement. There is at this point a full blown uncertainty in the individual insurance market. Trump's EO already puts personal mandate into question and Republicans state in no uncertain terms a full repeal while giving Americans and insurance companies NOTHING to go on as far as understanding what the replacement would be.

Put yourself into the shoes of insurance company and explain to me how it is at all possible to have a business plan in this sort of environment

No need to. The insurance companies have already answered your question. They were bullied into participating, lost their ass and are quitting the Obarrycare house of cards game.

except the facts.

They musta been forced

It does not matter now.. does it?

http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/14/irs-blow-to-obamacare-individual-mandate

 

[Doc1]

Cut the bullshit, the prime reason ACA market is sputtering right now is due to huge uncertainties.

How can carriers possibly plan to open new plans while nobody knows what will happen with the law and (market it creates) tomorrow

LOL, it's been "failing" from day 1.

 

[AntonToo]

Cut the bullshit, the prime reason ACA market is sputtering right now is due to huge uncertainties.

How can carriers possibly plan to open new plans while nobody knows what will happen with the law and (market it creates) tomorrow

LOL, it's been "failing" from day 1.

Thank you for supporting my point.