Why should other taxpayers have to subsidize gay mating?

[Faun]

'All by themselves' isn't the standard we hold straights to

Of course it is. The concept of government marriage is fucking and having babies. That some have them through adoption and test tubes isn't why it's there and we wouldn't have it if straights had most of their babies that way

And yet, the government doesn't withhold marriage licenses from folks who can't. or don't want to, have kids. It's not a prerequisite to get a marriage license if you're straight so it's not an excuse to withhold one if you're gay.

That you don't get a hit with every at bat doesn't mean you can't bat. Not ever getting a hit at any at bat does prove you can't bat

A beauty of the government is that it doesn't get to decide who gets to bat. It has to treat everyone equally under the law.

Right, that's why we have polygamy and narcissists can marry themselves, we all get to decide for ourselves.

Liar, you don't believe that

So if you're not ascribing words to me I did not say, now you're ascribing to me what I do or don't believe?

You're too funny.

 

[GreenBean]

• More than 1.2 million people in the United States are living with HIV infection, and almost 1 in 7 (14%) are unaware of their infection.
• Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSMa), particularly young black/African American MSM, are most seriously affected by HIV.
• By race, blacks/African Americans face the most severe burden of HIV.

Although MSM represent about 4% of the male population in the United States4, in 2010, MSM accounted for 78% of new HIV infections among males and 63% of all new infections2. MSM accounted for 54% of all people living with HIV infection in 2011, the most recent year these data are available1.

HIV in the United States Statistics Overview Statistics Center HIV AIDS CDC

Although MSM accounted for 54% of all people living with HIV infection in 2011- it is unknown how many of those not statistically counted as MSM are closet fags nor how many were infected by half fags [bi-sexuals] or infected by someone who was infected by someone who was a half fag and so on down the line.

Thank you for pointing out once more that the claims that AID's is a 'gay disease' is just a lie perpetuated by bigoted homophobes.

Since as the statistics you have provided show- 46% of all HIV in the United States is not related to homosexuality.

I just quoted CDC statistics that show 85% of HIV is attributed to Male-2-Male transmission, and that probably is a gross underestimate.

HIV is a gay disease.

So Brip- once again- you claim:
HIV is a gay disease

And you also have stated you hate gays.

Therefore, according to your perverse 'logic'- you hate anyone with HIV.

Therefore you hate this little girl.

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Because to you she is gay- because she has HIV- and you hate all gays.

Brip lives his/her life to hate others- including this little girl.

Because she has HIV- which Brip thinks is gay- and Brip hates all things gay.

Question should be

How did this little Girl contract HIV

Somewhere in the line of transmission form the initial source to this kid the odds are 999 out of 1000 that there's a slimy faggot involved and this poor kid is paying the price for perverts to get their rocks off.

So you hate this little girl also?

Still twisting and slanting -

No douche bag.... But I do hate the slimy mother fukkers that set into motion the chain of events that is killing her and others like her. Not just the perverts, they're just twisted mentally diseased degenerates - its the enablers - the douche bags such as yourself who are unable to comprehend the simplest of casual effect relationships .

 

[kaz]

NO WAY! I'm pretty sure he refused to get a government license...because if he did, that would make him a hypocrite since he keeps saying he doesn't believe government should be in marriage.

But he doesn't want to...his wife makes him...and you're just mean for pointing that out!

I prefer to think of it as I'm doing it for her feelings, rather than she's making me, but tom-ay-to tom-ah-to.

It's sad you two don't do things for your parnters over yourselves, I'd hate to live that way. I guess you just don't know what you are missing since you haven't experienced it

So, Kaz gives up his deeply felt beliefs that government should be out of marriage to keep someone else happy? Then I guess those aren't deeply held beliefs, are they?

So your standard is you will not compromise "deeply held beliefs" for your partner. Exactly my point. Wow, real marriage involves doing exactly that. You are just playing house, it's not actual marriage

 

[kaz]

NO WAY! I'm pretty sure he refused to get a government license...because if he did, that would make him a hypocrite since he keeps saying he doesn't believe government should be in marriage.

But he doesn't want to...his wife makes him...and you're just mean for pointing that out!

I prefer to think of it as I'm doing it for her feelings, rather than she's making me, but tom-ay-to tom-ah-to.

It's sad you two don't do things for your parnters over yourselves, I'd hate to live that way. I guess you just don't know what you are missing since you haven't experienced it

Irony...again. Twice in a half hour. The boy's on a roll!

Playground...again. Twice in a half hour. The girl's not on a roll, it's the limit of your mental capacity!

 

[kaz]

The question, if you ever decide to read my original post, is why we should be paying for that

Because they should be treated equal under the law.

Progress, finally. So when Republicans didn't want to cave to our Imperial Ruler and give him the budget he wanted, they had the right to say no? It's not just about money after all? You came 9 yards, can you go the last one for the first down and be the first liberal to grasp the thread?

Sadly, once again, your ignorance interferes with your message. This time, your idiocy stems from some bizarre notion that Congressmen/women have the "right" to say no to a budget. This becomes a shining example of how you don't know the difference between rights and privileges. But hopefully, since you're attracted to shiny objects, you can learn the difference now?

All you had to do at that point was fall forward for the first down. I knew you couldn't do it

Cries the moron who thinks Congress' ability to vote on bills is a "right."

Dude, point down the doobie, it's making you stupid. Er. Make that "more" stupid...

 

[Syriusly]

Thank you for pointing out once more that the claims that AID's is a 'gay disease' is just a lie perpetuated by bigoted homophobes.

Since as the statistics you have provided show- 46% of all HIV in the United States is not related to homosexuality.

I just quoted CDC statistics that show 85% of HIV is attributed to Male-2-Male transmission, and that probably is a gross underestimate.

HIV is a gay disease.

So Brip- once again- you claim:
HIV is a gay disease

And you also have stated you hate gays.

Therefore, according to your perverse 'logic'- you hate anyone with HIV.

Therefore you hate this little girl.

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Because to you she is gay- because she has HIV- and you hate all gays.

Brip lives his/her life to hate others- including this little girl.

Because she has HIV- which Brip thinks is gay- and Brip hates all things gay.

Question should be

How did this little Girl contract HIV

Somewhere in the line of transmission form the initial source to this kid the odds are 999 out of 1000 that there's a slimy faggot involved and this poor kid is paying the price for perverts to get their rocks off.

So you hate this little girl also?

Still twisting and slanting -

No douche bag.... But I do hate the .

Yeah you do hate- pretty much all you have is hate.

Clearly you hate homosexuals- and probably anyone else who disagrees with you.

Your life is filled with hate, ignorance and fear- and you can't make a post without exposing all three.

 

[kaz]

I at least get the concept of straight government marriage. Perpetuation of the species. It is the best situation for kids to have a traditional family with a mother and father because:

1) Men and women have different personalities and it is ideal for kids to have a parental relationship with one of each. Having two of the same sex is like having two left shoes or two right shoes. Neither a left shoe nor right shoes is more important than the other, you need one of each. They are different.

2) Kids are best served with a stay at home parent, generally a mother for many reasons for nurturing, caring and helping them stay out of trouble unattended

So for a mother to stay home, it's expensive. Taxpayers as part of the species benefit from the advancement of the species. And frankly that leads even financially to better taxpayers on average in the future.

If gays want to mate and pool resources, that's fine. But why should taxpayers pay for that? Government revenue is reduced, but why? What do we get out of it? Why should we have to fund it? What benefit is it to society that we should be paying for it?

The question: This is a financial question, not a moral one. How financially do the rest of us benefit that government should be charging us higher taxes to make up for lower taxes for people to have gay sex who do not perpetuate the species? Why do we gain for that we should pay for it? That is the question

Can you please explain how this gay couple is being subsidized by the tax payers by their marriage?

I don't know what subsidies you are speaking about? What tax benefit are they getting that anyone else is not getting?

Two big ones are they pay lower filing jointly tax rates and they are exempt from the death tax. Note it's liberals who demand we have a death tax.

You didn't know married people get those? Seriously?

Why shouldn't they get those?

Begging the question. Read my OP post

Married couples without children get to file joint returns.

Cucumbers are crispy. Anything on the subject?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Kaz, go read the OP, because your head has been booted so far up your butt that you are able to hear your opponents beating on it.

Taxpayers subsidize marriage. There is no such thing as gay marriage.

 

[Syriusly]

This whole thread is just all about Kaz wanting homosexuals to pay for the bennies he and his wife enjoy, and to ensure that homosexuals do not get those bennies.

 

[kaz]

No, that's YOUR concept...a concept most people don't share

You'll say anything, wont' you? Got it, people don't think lower tax rates are about children, they are about holding hands. What a shill

Kaz, very few people think marriage is for the tax breaks. You might think that, but most people don't and it's certainly NOT the reason they get married. I'm sorry for your marriage if that's why you did it.

True but irrelevant and I've addressed it specifically at least a half dozen times. Try reading my original post again and see if you can come up with something that makes sense regarding my point

 

[kaz]

This whole thread is just all about Kaz wanting homosexuals to pay for the bennies he and his wife enjoy, and to ensure that homosexuals do not get those bennies.

This thread is me mocking leftists for your hypocrisy and stupidity and you proving I was right. You know, like this post

 

[GreenBean]

Major Gay Marriage Study Was Fabricated Author Admits The Daily Caller

Slightly, ever so slightly OT ... but still shines on a light on the queer mindset so evident among the poor pathetic diseased little buggers on this board. Of course that excludes KAZ and Company

 

[kaz]

Nope, she had a test tube baby, she's the parent and the only parent in the government marriage. Read my original post

Now you are telling us about what kind of babies we had.

I assumed when you said the father was a gay man he didn't bang you, are you saying that's not the case? I admit that was an assumption on my part, you saying it was wrong?

Can't keep your lesbians straight (pardon the pun)

That was me that had a gay man father her children. He's the donor, my wife and I are the parents. So says our children and so says the law. The law part matters because of anti gay bigots like you that would want to take our children away from us.

But it is that they know we are their parents that matters. They know their donor is their donor and that my wife and I are their parents.

Isn't it sad to see someone who needs, literally NEEDS those labels of parent to be just so? It's as if they can't show by their actions who the real parents are, it's got to be like wearing a nametag that says "Hello, due to biology I am your parent."

Maybe it's an ownership thing. "This is mine!, I made this".

Sad way to parent.

That would be, but no one said that and your point is irrelevant to my OP post

 

[Syriusly]

This whole thread is just all about Kaz wanting homosexuals to pay for the bennies he and his wife enjoy, and to ensure that homosexuals do not get those bennies.

This thread is me mocking leftists for your hypocrisy and stupidity and you proving I was right. You know, like this post

Oh Kaz- I am just interpreting your labyrinth of lies for everyone.

Bottom line

This whole thread is just all about Kaz wanting homosexuals to pay for the bennies he and his wife enjoy, and to ensure that homosexuals do not get those bennies.

 

[Seawytch]

NO WAY! I'm pretty sure he refused to get a government license...because if he did, that would make him a hypocrite since he keeps saying he doesn't believe government should be in marriage.

But he doesn't want to...his wife makes him...and you're just mean for pointing that out!

I prefer to think of it as I'm doing it for her feelings, rather than she's making me, but tom-ay-to tom-ah-to.

It's sad you two don't do things for your parnters over yourselves, I'd hate to live that way. I guess you just don't know what you are missing since you haven't experienced it

So, Kaz gives up his deeply felt beliefs that government should be out of marriage to keep someone else happy? Then I guess those aren't deeply held beliefs, are they?

So your standard is you will not compromise "deeply held beliefs" for your partner. Exactly my point. Wow, real marriage involves doing exactly that. You are just playing house, it's not actual marriage

Yes Kaz, you get husband of the year for not divorcing your wife. You are a reluctant hypocrite...established.


I just think you should stop asking gays on a message board why they want the civil marriage society values...ask your married friends and your own wife instead. Be as much of a flaming asshole with them that you are when you ask gays.

 

[kaz]

Ask him what he's actively done to get rid of that government marriage he's so against.

He protested it by presumably getting a state issued marriage license.

Well, bodecea found a hetero not ready for marriage either. You may not give a shit how your partner feels and do anything her way, but that isn't how real marriage works.

I suppose that's par for the course for a guy who thinks being a husband means has a penis

Again, you try to create an imaginary argument by making up what other posters have said. Do you even have trouble winning arguments against your own imaginary foes?

He can't win an argument. That's why he invents these strawmen that he can beat up since he can't beat anyone's actual arguments.

I'm really beginning to notice that is his MO.

So it's only dawning on you now that I'm not a leftist and I don't debate by reciting Democratic talking points?

 

[JakeStarkey]

This whole thread is just all about Kaz wanting homosexuals to pay for the bennies he and his wife enjoy, and to ensure that homosexuals do not get those bennies.

This thread is me mocking leftists for your hypocrisy and stupidity and you proving I was right. You know, like this post

OK, you are finally being honest here. Let's put it in the flame zone.

 

[Syriusly]

the poor pathetic diseased little buggers y

I do feel sorry for your pathetic diseased self.

Really I do- living your life filled with hate, fear and loathing- it must be terrible.

 

[GreenBean]

Allowing Registered Domestic Partners and Individuals in Civil Unions to file Joint Returns or file as head of head of household is all it would take to solve the queer marriage quagmire if that were truly the case - it is not the case .

Then they wouldn't be legally married. How does that resolve the issue of inequality?

You're still out of touch - follow the thread back to the post I replied to and perhaps you'll get a clue.

So far as inequality - a mentally diseased degenerate pervert [aka GAY] is equal in all respects - they can marry any member of the opposite sex that they so choose.

Now don't misinterpret what I said like you've been doing all along with Kaz and others on this thread - I SAID - they are equal in all respects - I did not say they were entitled to Respect - Got it ?

Allowing them to marry a person of the opposite gender but not the person they love and want to be married to is denying them their inalienable right to pursue happiness. We don't do that in America. As far as repect, who the fuck cares who you respect?

Nice back pedal

If that's all you've got to say, then you have no argument against same-sex marriage.

Good Point - I'm not against Gay Marriage - as I've stated in the past - but your arguments and dumb ass boolean logic - or shall we say lack of logic are so easy smacked down --- Ciest la vie

 

[Syriusly]

He protested it by presumably getting a state issued marriage license.

Well, bodecea found a hetero not ready for marriage either. You may not give a shit how your partner feels and do anything her way, but that isn't how real marriage works.

I suppose that's par for the course for a guy who thinks being a husband means has a penis

Again, you try to create an imaginary argument by making up what other posters have said. Do you even have trouble winning arguments against your own imaginary foes?

He can't win an argument. That's why he invents these strawmen that he can beat up since he can't beat anyone's actual arguments.

I'm really beginning to notice that is his MO.

So it's only dawning on you now that I'm not a leftist and I don't debate by reciting Democratic talking points?

Oh we are all pretty clear that you are a liar and will lie about anything your whimsy leads you to.