Why ''Under God'' phrase added on the Pledge of Allegiance in U.S?

[The Original Tree]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

So the godless commies couldn't mess with our elections

You really shouldn't be so harsh on The Democrat Party.

 

[depotoo]

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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Traditional theism holds that God is the creator of heaven and earth, and that all that occurs in the universe takes place under Divine Providence — that is, under God's sovereign guidance and control. According to believers, God governs creation as a loving father, working all things for good

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

United States Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia

 

[sakinago]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

A. America is not a country based on secular principles. Separation of church and state is not in the constitution, only the 1st amendment states that congress is to make no law concerning the establishment of religion or impeding in the free exercise of religion. This is the closest thing you'll find to separation of church and state.

America is actually a country based on religious principles, particularly principles and philosophies of natural law (which stems from religion) . Citing the Declaration of Independence... "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Pursuit of happiness was originally intended to be property, but was changed so it didn't give slave owners a foothold going forward. So it's actual a bunch of religious men's principals that guided and gave us our constitution. God gives us the ability to speak, therefore we cannot take that away, God gives us the ability to defend ourselves therefore people can be armed to do so...

B. Why are we making our kids say a prayer to the government everyday?? Look up the history of the pledge of allegiance...it was made by a national socialist trying to sell flags to schools. And we didn't originally put our hands over our heart, we started out by giving the heil hitler straight arm salute. The only people who should be made to pledge, is our lawmakers and officials, and they should be made to recite to bill of rights everyday.

 

[Lakhota]

Unless someone can provide credible proof of any supernatural God - they should stop trying to infect our lives with religion based solely on faith. I have more proof of Santa Claus - and he actually delivers.

 

[boilermaker55]

In 1892, Francis Bellamy, a minister from upstate New York, reportedly wrote the Pledge as an expression of fealty to the U.S. It read: "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Some consider Bellamy a socialist and his creation a criticism of rampant greed and hyper-individuality.

Over the next 50 years or so, the version would eventually include "of the United States" after "flag" and a simple "to" before "republic." It wasn't too controversial.

Then, an attorney from Illinois, Louis Bowman, shook the wording up a bit. At a meeting of the Sons of the American Revolution in 1948, he added "under God," claiming Abraham Lincoln used the same phrase in his Gettysburg Address. Almost all reported transcripts from the speech do include "that the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom."

Bowman continued to deliver his version of the Pledge, and others, like the Knights of Columbus, began reciting it, too. Various people even wrote letters to the president at the time, Harry Truman, and met with him to request the more religious tone.

Finally, the government became involved. In 1953, Louis Rabaut, a democrat from Michigan sponsored a resolution to add the words "under God" to the Pledge. It failed. But by then, the decision was up to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Recently baptized as a Presbyterian, he heard a sermon, arguing the words "under God" from Lincoln's speech set the United States apart from others as a nation. At the time, the Cold War was gaining steam, and Eisenhower was fighting communism across the globe.

The next day, the president encouraged Charles Oakman, a republican also from Michigan, to re-introduce the bill, which Congress passed. Eisenhower signed it into law on June 14, 1954. A story announcing the news in the Washington Post quoted him as saying the new version would add "spiritual weapons which will forever be our country's most powerful resource."

Naturally, in a nation with growing diversity of religions, "under God" has proven a polarizing phrase. Separation of church and state also factors into the politicized discussion.

Two years later, on Flag Day again, Eisenhower also made "In God We Trust" our nation's
official motto. The man must have loved his new religion.

So, if you believe this article or not, it shows how the ultra -right wing crazies keep trying and trying to make this country believe like they do. Indoctrination!

 

[sakinago]

In 1892, Francis Bellamy, a minister from upstate New York, reportedly wrote the Pledge as an expression of fealty to the U.S. It read: "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Some consider Bellamy a socialist and his creation a criticism of rampant greed and hyper-individuality.

Over the next 50 years or so, the version would eventually include "of the United States" after "flag" and a simple "to" before "republic." It wasn't too controversial.

Then, an attorney from Illinois, Louis Bowman, shook the wording up a bit. At a meeting of the Sons of the American Revolution in 1948, he added "under God," claiming Abraham Lincoln used the same phrase in his Gettysburg Address. Almost all reported transcripts from the speech do include "that the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom."

Bowman continued to deliver his version of the Pledge, and others, like the Knights of Columbus, began reciting it, too. Various people even wrote letters to the president at the time, Harry Truman, and met with him to request the more religious tone.

Finally, the government became involved. In 1953, Louis Rabaut, a democrat from Michigan sponsored a resolution to add the words "under God" to the Pledge. It failed. But by then, the decision was up to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Recently baptized as a Presbyterian, he heard a sermon, arguing the words "under God" from Lincoln's speech set the United States apart from others as a nation. At the time, the Cold War was gaining steam, and Eisenhower was fighting communism across the globe.

The next day, the president encouraged Charles Oakman, a republican also from Michigan, to re-introduce the bill, which Congress passed. Eisenhower signed it into law on June 14, 1954. A story announcing the news in the Washington Post quoted him as saying the new version would add "spiritual weapons which will forever be our country's most powerful resource."

Naturally, in a nation with growing diversity of religions, "under God" has proven a polarizing phrase. Separation of church and state also factors into the politicized discussion.

Two years later, on Flag Day again, Eisenhower also made "In God We Trust" our nation's
official motto. The man must have loved his new religion.

So, if you believe this article or not, it shows how the ultra -right wing crazies keep trying and trying to make this country believe like they do. Indoctrination!

Just remember Bellamy was a socialist before he was a nationalist as well.

 

[Whocares386]

Thank you for sharing your precious opinions for me guys! I appreciate that.

President D. Eisenhower seems really religious president. And he presents Republican Party, also G.W Bush was a Republican too and remember; Bush claimed that he talked with a god.

I've read an article about Republicans recently, and generally I think these opinions seem true for me. (I don't think every Republican like that)

If you want to read that article you can read here:
Republicans

 

[yiostheoy]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

So is this your rhetorical question of the day or do you not know how to google this on your own ???

 

[Whocares386]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

So is this your rhetorical question of the day or do you not know how to google this on your own ???

Actually, yes you're right. There are so many articles about that topic, but I just wanted to hear American citizens' opinions and that's why I'm hanging in this forum.

 

[yiostheoy]

June 14, 1954:

Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia

 

[yiostheoy]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

So is this your rhetorical question of the day or do you not know how to google this on your own ???

Actually, yes you're right. There are so many articles about that topic, but I just wanted to hear American citizens' opinions and that's why I'm hanging in this forum.

1954 was probably before you were born.

It was not before I was born however but before my sisters were born.

When I first learned it in the mid 1950's it was as it is now.

Then in the 1960's there was some controversy about it.

Our Catholic School kept saying it with "God" in it however.

The American Freemasons still say it at every monthly meeting with "God" in it.

If you are an atheist then you can never become a Freemason, sorry.

 

[yiostheoy]

PS Review of Freemasonry

 

[danielpalos]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

Because Religion is a form of Socialism, and we didn't want to compete with the former Soviets, via our Commerce Clause. Ask, Ding.

 

[Whocares386]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

So is this your rhetorical question of the day or do you not know how to google this on your own ???

Actually, yes you're right. There are so many articles about that topic, but I just wanted to hear American citizens' opinions and that's why I'm hanging in this forum.

1954 was probably before you were born.

It was not before I was born however but before my sisters were born.

When I first learned it in the mid 1950's it was as it is now.

Then in the 1960's there was some controversy about it.

Our Catholic School kept saying it with "God" in it however.

The American Freemasons still say it at every monthly meeting with "God" in it.

If you are an atheist then you can never become a Freemason, sorry.

Thank you for your valuable comment for me, sir. I'm 17 years old and I'm just curious about American history and I don't live in U.S currently but in the future I want to live there.

Yes I'm an atheist, USA seems it has religious society but I think atheists and other non-believers may live in that country without any problem. Also I don't think I'll prefer to live in Bible Belt southeastern states.

 

[yiostheoy]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

So is this your rhetorical question of the day or do you not know how to google this on your own ???

Actually, yes you're right. There are so many articles about that topic, but I just wanted to hear American citizens' opinions and that's why I'm hanging in this forum.

1954 was probably before you were born.

It was not before I was born however but before my sisters were born.

When I first learned it in the mid 1950's it was as it is now.

Then in the 1960's there was some controversy about it.

Our Catholic School kept saying it with "God" in it however.

The American Freemasons still say it at every monthly meeting with "God" in it.

If you are an atheist then you can never become a Freemason, sorry.

Thank you for your valuable comment for me, sir. I'm 17 years old and I'm just curious about American history and I don't live in U.S currently but in the future I want to live there.

Yes I'm an atheist, USA seems it has religious society but I think atheists and other non-believers may live in that country without any problem. Also I don't think I'll prefer to live in Bible Belt southeastern states.

Well then to completely answer your question, it was President Ike (Eisenhower) who promoted the change in the pledge to include "God".

He and his generation (my father could have been his son -- both of them fought in WW2 in Europe) felt that it had been a miracle that the USA had won WW2 and that is was due to God's help.

Of course the Russians had a lot to do with it too, at least in Europe.

In the Pacific the biggest miracle happened at the Battle Of Midway, but that was run by Admiral Nimitz not Ike.

Ike fully expected to be defeated at Normandy but by some miracle the Furher was resting and not to be disturbed so the German panzer armies were unable to be moved into place for the counter attack in time.

But in those days (1940's and 1950's) most Americans were quite religious. Especially Ike.

 

[Vandalshandle]

God was riding high, and very popular back in the 1950's, but he is so 20th Century, now.

 

[yiostheoy]

It is a pity that you claim to be atheist Whocares386 .

I hate to see this in kids.

You may want to read Philosophy according to San Tomas Aquinas.

He gives 5 very valid proofs of God.

These proofs are required reading in the Catholic Church for Catholic Priests and Catholic Philosophers.

 

[yiostheoy]

God was riding high, and very popular back in the 1950's, but he is so 19th Century, now.

Probably due to excessive prosperity and soft easy lives now.

Of course on the other hand The Great Recession has claimed a record number of lives by suicide.

That's what happens when you are atheist -- suicide.

 

[ClosedCaption]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

under god was added in the 1950's by right wing Christians in order to brainwash Americans into worshiping Jebus pretty much every atheist political group is against it

Remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance | Secular Coalition for America

Its the same with the NFL, they didnt start having the players stand for the Anthem until like the mid 2000's. Now everyone thinks its for Patriotism and even when they know its just a marketing ploy, its one that makes them feel good. And feeling good about playing on your emotions is universally liked.

 

[yiostheoy]

United States is a country which is completely based on secular principles. So, I just wonder about: why they added that phrase on the Pledge of Allegiance? Actually scientifically; humanity doesn't need any god, spirituel or holy thing in its life to be succesful. Because we know that these beliefs doesn't provide or help anything better.

In the future or currently is there an movement-act to remove that phrase ? Or Americans want to remove that ? (Also I wonder about same thing for the ''in god we trust'')

Per usual, no one knows so they're making stuff up.
It was added during the Commie scare in the 50's to weed out the communists among us. As we all know, communists shrivel and die if exposed to the word "God." Thank Uncle Joe McCarthy.

You're not THAT old, OldLady . You must have been in preschool too back then.

So put your glasses on and start googling before you talk/type.