Why we fear mental health inclusions in background check database for gun ownership...

[2aguy]

No one on the 2nd Amendment side of the gun debate wants crazy people to have access to guns....but having dealt with gun grabber for decades, we also know they aren't interested in preventing criminals and crazies from getting guns...because they can't, not really, but they are obsessively determined to prevent law abiding, non violent citizens from getting guns....therefore...we do not trust them...not one little bit....

So when we say we want people with mental health issues to not get guns...we mean those mental health issues that will lead to crazies taking guns into schools and shooting innocent people....

The anti gunners.....when they say they want mental health issues included in background check information...they mean they want anyone who sees any mental health professional from ever owning a gun again...even if they say...are experiencing insomnia......

Suit Man s Guns Confiscated Because He Had Insomnia The Daily Caller

A veteran of the U.S. Navy and decorated retired police detective is suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and other state officials for infringing on his constitutional rights after his pistol permit and four handguns were confiscated after he voluntarily sought hospital treatment for insomnia.

Donald Montgomery filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the Western District of New York in Rochester on Dec. 17.

He alleges that his constitutional rights were violated by New York’s SAFE Act — a law Cuomo signed in Jan. 2013 that is considered one of the toughest gun control laws in the U.S.

Though Montgomery voluntarily sought treatment, he alleges in the suit that staff at the facility erroneously listed him as an involuntary admission — a designation that appears to have put the SAFE Act’s wheels in motion.

The SAFE Act created a new section under New York’s Mental Hygiene Law which requires mental health professionals to report individuals who are deemed threats to others or to themselves to mental health directors who in turn report serious threats to the department of criminal justice services.

But none of the records or diagnoses from Montgomery’s hospital visits support that criteria, the suit claims.

“Nurse’s notes” from Montgomery’s stay show no documentation of mental health issues.

“Patient has no thoughts of hurting himself. Patient has no thoughts of hurting others. Patient is not having suicidal thoughts. Patient is not having homicidal thoughts,” the notes read.

This might work itself out in court....then again, it very well will not.....and in the time in between, this man has lost a Constitutionally listed civil right.....and this was the intent.....to jam up innocent people and to use this provision of the SAFE act as a net to scoop up guns.....

This is why we don't trust anti gunnner nuts...and their irrational fear of people, and their attacks on guns......

 

[JoeB131]

Here's the part Nutty BillC left out..

Staff there diagnosed Montgomery with “Depression; Insomnia” and he was prescribed medication and told to report back to his primary care physician if symptoms worsened over the next several days.

A guy suffering from depression who needed to be medicated? Um, yeah, I don't think we want that guy having guns.

 

[2aguy]

And the part you need to reread....

“Patient has no thoughts of hurting himself. Patient has no thoughts of hurting others. Patient is not having suicidal thoughts. Patient is not having homicidal thoughts,” the notes read.

 

[2aguy]

And Joe didn't mention this......

A psychological assessment labeled him “mildly depressed,” but otherwise determined “there is no evidence of any psychotic processes, mania, or OCD symptoms.”

“Insight, judgment, and impulse control are good,” the assessment reads.

Montgomery’s suit also states that a hospital psychiatrist told him “You don’t belong here” and “I don’t know why you were referred here.”

Montgomery’s suit states that he was not labeled a mental defective, nor did he meet the criteria for an emergency mental health admission.

But Montgomery’s records were somehow referred to the Mental Hygiene Legal Service, which is an agency which represents and litigates on behalf of individuals receiving services for mental disability.

Four days after leaving the hospital, New York State police sent a letter to the Suffolk County clerk’s office stating “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution” and that he was prohibited from possessing any firearms.

The next day, Montgomery received a call from an officer at the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department informing him that his guns would have to be confiscated.

Montgomery says that on May 30, the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department showed up to his house and confiscated his pistol license and four handguns — Colt .38 revolver, Derringer .38, Glock 26 9mm, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 380.

This is the problem with trying to include a mental health aspect to current background checks......it can literally scoop up anyone....

I just went to see my doctor last month for a sinus infection...the nurse apologized but said she had to ask me the questions....did I feel like I wanted to hurt myself or others....did I have suicidal thoughts........my regular physician....during a visit for a sinus infection.....

 

[Iceweasel]

If the libs had it their way conservative ideas would be classified as hate, intolerance and insanity. Unfit even to vote.

 

[Derideo_Te]

No one on the 2nd Amendment side of the gun debate wants crazy people to have access to guns....but having dealt with gun grabber for decades, we also know they aren't interested in preventing criminals and crazies from getting guns...because they can't, not really, but they are obsessively determined to prevent law abiding, non violent citizens from getting guns....therefore...we do not trust them...not one little bit....

So when we say we want people with mental health issues to not get guns...we mean those mental health issues that will lead to crazies taking guns into schools and shooting innocent people....

The anti gunners.....when they say they want mental health issues included in background check information...they mean they want anyone who sees any mental health professional from ever owning a gun again...even if they say...are experiencing insomnia......

Suit Man s Guns Confiscated Because He Had Insomnia The Daily Caller

A veteran of the U.S. Navy and decorated retired police detective is suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and other state officials for infringing on his constitutional rights after his pistol permit and four handguns were confiscated after he voluntarily sought hospital treatment for insomnia.

Donald Montgomery filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the Western District of New York in Rochester on Dec. 17.

He alleges that his constitutional rights were violated by New York’s SAFE Act — a law Cuomo signed in Jan. 2013 that is considered one of the toughest gun control laws in the U.S.

Though Montgomery voluntarily sought treatment, he alleges in the suit that staff at the facility erroneously listed him as an involuntary admission — a designation that appears to have put the SAFE Act’s wheels in motion.

The SAFE Act created a new section under New York’s Mental Hygiene Law which requires mental health professionals to report individuals who are deemed threats to others or to themselves to mental health directors who in turn report serious threats to the department of criminal justice services.

But none of the records or diagnoses from Montgomery’s hospital visits support that criteria, the suit claims.

“Nurse’s notes” from Montgomery’s stay show no documentation of mental health issues.

“Patient has no thoughts of hurting himself. Patient has no thoughts of hurting others. Patient is not having suicidal thoughts. Patient is not having homicidal thoughts,” the notes read.

This might work itself out in court....then again, it very well will not.....and in the time in between, this man has lost a Constitutionally listed civil right.....and this was the intent.....to jam up innocent people and to use this provision of the SAFE act as a net to scoop up guns.....

This is why we don't trust anti gunnner nuts...and their irrational fear of people, and their attacks on guns......

The rampant paranoia of the gun fetishists like the OP probably qualifies as a mental illness hence their opposition to mental health background checks.

Even stoners aren't as paranoid as gun fetishists.

 

[Derideo_Te]

If the libs had it their way conservative ideas would be classified as hate, intolerance and insanity. Unfit even to vote.

Reading some of the USMB posts it is obvious that some of them would fail to qualify as "informed voters" by any reasonable definition.

 

[TheOldSchool]

If the libs had it their way conservative ideas would be classified as hate, intolerance and insanity. Unfit even to vote.

Not all of them

 

[JoeB131]

This is the problem with trying to include a mental health aspect to current background checks......it can literally scoop up anyone....

I just went to see my doctor last month for a sinus infection...the nurse apologized but said she had to ask me the questions....did I feel like I wanted to hurt myself or others....did I have suicidal thoughts........my regular physician....during a visit for a sinus infection.....

Funny, I must be going to different doctors. The only time they asked me questions like that was when I went to the emergency room after slipping on some ice, they wanted to make sure no one was beating me up.

The real problem with including mental health aspects- most of the kind of people who really want to have guns are crazier than a shithouse rat.

 

[novasteve]

Funny a lot of LGBTerals will be eliminated from the gun ownership if libs get their way.

 

[JoeB131]

If the libs had it their way conservative ideas would be classified as hate, intolerance and insanity. Unfit even to vote.

Well, we do wonder why you keep voting to let rich people screw you.

 

[JoeB131]

Funny a lot of LGBTerals will be eliminated from the gun ownership if libs get their way.

Steve, why aren't you out htere posting Tranny stories.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Funny a lot of LGBTerals will be eliminated from the gun ownership if libs get their way.

Steve, why aren't you out htere posting Tranny stories.

Give the people what they want steve!!!

 

[guno]

Leading neuroscientist: Religious fundamentalism may be a ‘mental illness’ that can be ‘cured’

this will be classified as a mental illness shortly by the American psychiatric association then the righting bible thumping gun clutchers can be denied guns

Leading neuroscientist Religious fundamentalism may be a 8216 mental illness 8217 that can be 8216 cured 8217

 

[2aguy]

Leading neuroscientist: Religious fundamentalism may be a ‘mental illness’ that can be ‘cured’

this will be classified as a mental illness shortly by the American psychiatric association then the righting bible thumping gun clutchers can be denied guns

Leading neuroscientist Religious fundamentalism may be a 8216 mental illness 8217 that can be 8216 cured 8217

Are these the same guys changing the evaluations on pedophilia.....