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There is nothing wrong with having moral principles that don't put yourself over other people. The problem is really that there is an assumed morality to capitalism that ignores the reality because morality is established through laws as opposed to applied reason. When someone is not good at applying reason a strict legal framework for morality is often needed but that still leaves someone to establish the rules.
Reagan actually went a long way to establishing a lot of these laws in the minds of conservatives concerning the economy. His success was so complete that they will go to great lengths to ignore reality, including the reality of the Reagan administration. Just try bringing up the increase of debt that happened under Reagan and you will see the faithful scramble to make excuses and dismiss the reality.
Ignorant, brainwashed, racist fools...nice people if...see sig last line....
For years, political scientists have wondered why so many poor and working-class citizens of so-called red states vote against their economic self-interest.
The wages of production workers have been dropping for 30 years, adjusted for inflation, and their economic security has disappeared. A smaller share of working-age Americans hold jobs today than at any time in more than three decades.
For them, a job is precious sometimes even more precious than a safe workplace or safe drinking water.
This is especially true in poorer regions of the country like West Virginia and through much of Southern and rural America, where the old working class has been voting Republican. Guns, abortion and race are part of the explanation. But dont overlook economic anxieties that translate into a willingness to vote for whatever it is that industry wants.
This may explain why Republican officials who have been casting their votes against unions, against expanding Medicaid, against raising the minimum wage, against extended unemployment insurance, and against jobs bills that would put people to work, continue to be elected and re-elected.
They obviously have the support of corporate patrons who want to keep unemployment high and workers insecure because a pliant working class helps their bottom lines.
As someone who has lived in the south for the past half of my life it always puzzled me why people in this region always vote against their self interests and defend the same people who exploit them . I attribute it to a plantation mentality ...
They vote against immediate rewards because the underlying causes are not obvious as the talking points that the debates are almost always limited to. The usual fights that go nowhere are a diversion to keep us from getting anywhere from the real issues.
IMHO - what you say is probably 90% of the issue. But I have a problem with the assumption of the OP.
Was it in the individual self interest of those soldiers to hit beaches in the Pacific or in France?
Why would anyone assume that poor red-state voters are voting out of ignorance? Can't they be sacrificing their own individual self interests to support the interests of the whole? And if they are - isn't that a selfless act?
They vote against immediate rewards because the underlying causes are not obvious as the talking points that the debates are almost always limited to. The usual fights that go nowhere are a diversion to keep us from getting anywhere from the real issues.
IMHO - what you say is probably 90% of the issue. But I have a problem with the assumption of the OP.
Was it in the individual self interest of those soldiers to hit beaches in the Pacific or in France?
Why would anyone assume that poor red-state voters are voting out of ignorance? Can't they be sacrificing their own individual self interests to support the interests of the whole? And if they are - isn't that a selfless act?
They do their best to blame everything on Republicans and make the sheep believe we are morons. And it works!
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So the only reason to vote for something is so that someone will give you something?
Maybe not everyone thinks that way.
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There is nothing wrong with having moral principles that don't put yourself over other people. The problem is really that there is an assumed morality to capitalism that ignores the reality because morality is established through laws as opposed to applied reason. When someone is not good at applying reason a strict legal framework for morality is often needed but that still leaves someone to establish the rules.
Reagan actually went a long way to establishing a lot of these laws in the minds of conservatives concerning the economy. His success was so complete that they will go to great lengths to ignore reality, including the reality of the Reagan administration. Just try bringing up the increase of debt that happened under Reagan and you will see the faithful scramble to make excuses and dismiss the reality.
Events under Reagan have very little to do with today's economic realities. Why don't you just say, "Bbbb...Bushy."
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So the only reason to vote for something is so that someone will give you something?
Maybe not everyone thinks that way.
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Wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
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So the only reason to vote for something is so that someone will give you something?
Maybe not everyone thinks that way.
.
Wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
There is nothing wrong with having moral principles that don't put yourself over other people. The problem is really that there is an assumed morality to capitalism that ignores the reality because morality is established through laws as opposed to applied reason. When someone is not good at applying reason a strict legal framework for morality is often needed but that still leaves someone to establish the rules.
Reagan actually went a long way to establishing a lot of these laws in the minds of conservatives concerning the economy. His success was so complete that they will go to great lengths to ignore reality, including the reality of the Reagan administration. Just try bringing up the increase of debt that happened under Reagan and you will see the faithful scramble to make excuses and dismiss the reality.
But you won't factor in the tone deafness, which you are afflicted with, of the left,there are plenty of conservatives that bitched about high spending from GWB back to Ron,but no we hear this instead.
A good defense is a good offense after all.
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So the only reason to vote for something is so that someone will give you something?
Maybe not everyone thinks that way.
.
Wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
I can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
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So the only reason to vote for something is so that someone will give you something?
Maybe not everyone thinks that way.
.
wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
i can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
.
Wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
I can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
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Whaaaaaa? I have something crazy for you. Some people enjoy the taste of Salsa from New York City.
Now can we talk about what I said? Everyone votes their own self interest. You are trying to make it sound bad like "how dare they?"
Notice I mentioned nothing about depending on others at all. But when talking points are all you have, you have to throw them in somewhere.
Wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
I can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
.
Whaaaaaa? I have something crazy for you. Some people enjoy the taste of Salsa from New York City.
Now can we talk about what I said? Everyone votes their own self interest. You are trying to make it sound bad like "how dare they?"
Notice I mentioned nothing about depending on others at all. But when talking points are all you have, you have to throw them in somewhere.
I can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
.
Whaaaaaa? I have something crazy for you. Some people enjoy the taste of Salsa from New York City.
Now can we talk about what I said? Everyone votes their own self interest. You are trying to make it sound bad like "how dare they?"
Notice I mentioned nothing about depending on others at all. But when talking points are all you have, you have to throw them in somewhere.
You're wrong. I vote for what I feel is best for the country, not necessarily what's best for me. I doubt I'm the only person that votes unselfishly.
\IT'S HILARIOUS REALLY; left-wing idiots trying to lecture about voting against their own interests.
the top states for the hightest unemployment are Blue states; and the lowest unemployment is in Red states.
Along with the lowest wages.
um not really leftard; and prices for things are lower in Red states, which makes up for that
and lower as in North Dakota and the oil worker jobs?
lol; who give shit what a crybaby left-wingnut who cant handle facts thinks?
along with the jobs; FACT, jobs are leaving Blue states and going to Red states
I can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
.
Whaaaaaa? I have something crazy for you. Some people enjoy the taste of Salsa from New York City.
Now can we talk about what I said? Everyone votes their own self interest. You are trying to make it sound bad like "how dare they?"
Notice I mentioned nothing about depending on others at all. But when talking points are all you have, you have to throw them in somewhere.
You're wrong. I vote for what I feel is best for the country, not necessarily what's best for me. I doubt I'm the only person that votes unselfishly.
wait, you mean people vote their own self interests? Dam thats terrible
i can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
.
blasphemy!
I can only imagine how crazy this is going to sound to you, but here goes:
Some people feel that being dependent on others is not in their best interest.
Holy crap, wild, huh?
.
Whaaaaaa? I have something crazy for you. Some people enjoy the taste of Salsa from New York City.
Now can we talk about what I said? Everyone votes their own self interest. You are trying to make it sound bad like "how dare they?"
Notice I mentioned nothing about depending on others at all. But when talking points are all you have, you have to throw them in somewhere.
You're wrong. I vote for what I feel is best for the country, not necessarily what's best for me. I doubt I'm the only person that votes unselfishly.
