Why would a God even need a hell?

[Mickiel]

I don't see free will myself.

 

[kjw47]

I have asked myself why a God would need a hell, ( and by hell I mean the Christian version of it). I mean here this great being of life and love , is said to have created a place of eternal misery? And something is just not right with that, because it makes no sense at all. But a lot of things in religion make no sense, but religion rains on humanity, getting all of our consciousness wet in one manner or another.

My view of God, and I don't know God, have never seen him or heard his voice; is a view that I know is already distorted by many things; but I view him as merciful, loving, kind, forgiving, longsuffering, all the things that this Christian hell is not. So I don't think this hell is God's creation, I think the Christians created it. I think this eternal hell punishing is what Christians would do with unbelievers, not God. I think its moreso what the Christians want.

Why would God make an eternal monument out of evil? For what? Why would such a being of great power of change, co-exist with misery forever? Why? I can't see it. I think something is seriously wrong with this myopic view of hell! The powers that exist which can seduce the consciousness of humanity into believing nonsense, is simply stunning.

Facts of reality = the Hebrew word-SHEOL = the Greek word- HADES= the English word-HELL-- (Sheol and Hades translate--the grave, thus so does hell.
God set before all--life or death--nothing else. Deuteronomy 30:19) --- ones actions prove their choice--- either one lives now to do Gods will( Matt 7:21) or they live now to do their own will.

 

[onefour1]

We've already seen that in order for us to become more like God, we need to have free will. God is a being of free will and you cannot become like him without having free will yourself. God is a being who chooses to do what is right and good continuously. But if God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be just like himself? Why didn't he create us with a perfect knowledge of all things, and with a loving heart to love all and want the best for all mankind? Why hasn't he endowed us with a desire to always choose the right and have power to do all that He can do? The reason is because we too are eternal beings. There has never been a time when all of us did not exist in some form or another. This is a doctrine that was lost but has, in these latter days, been restored. If the part of man that makes choices and thinks for himself has always existed then it was impossible for God to create that which is self existent. You cannot create something that has always existed. Why, because it already exists. It has always existed. This doctrine comes from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

This verse tells us that man was also in the beginning with God. HIs Intelligence, or what is known as light and true, was not created or made and neither indeed can be.

Abraham 3:18
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.

Mankind has a base intelligence that is co-eternal with God. The intelligences of man have always existed and will always exist. God did not make man's intelligence. It cannot be created or made. There never was a time when you or I did not exist. However, God did choose from among these intelligences many to become his spiritually begotten sons and daughters. Those spirits who were faithful to their Father in heaven through their free will, were allowed to continue to progress to become more like the Father. Those who rebelled were cast out of heaven and were denied further progression. This is what we've seen in the story of Satan and his followers. Not only were they cast out of heaven, but they were denied the opportunity to further progress due to their rebellion. One of the things that was denied them was the opportunity to receive a body. All those who were faithful in the pre-mortal existence were allowed to come to this earth and receive a body. They were at one time valiant spirits of God and kept their first estate. Regarding those who did not keep their first estate in the pre-mortal existence:

Jude 1:6
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This is the punishment of those who had open rebellion against the father with full knowledge of his existence and goodness.

The reason there is evil in the world is because God placed us on this earth to test us to see if we would do good in and of ourselves. He placed a vale over our minds so that we could not remember the pre-mortal existence. Thus we were to walk by faith. When my kids are around their parents they are quite obedient. But sometimes when the parents are away, the kids do mischief. God wants to know who is willing to choose good, in and of himself when he is not in their presence and when they don't have a perfect knowledge of him. He is testing us to see if we will do good and follow him even when we don't have any recollection of him. Those who develop their character and learn to choose good of their own volition and gravitate toward him are great spirits. This earth life is our second estate.

Abraham 3:26
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

We are from an eternity past imperfect beings. We occasionally do evil. Some of us are very evil. Some of us do more evil that good. Some of us do more good that evil. Some people are very good. But God realized this and knowing that we, as imperfect beings, would fall and not live a law worthy of his kingdom. According to his law, if we sin, we then fall short of being able to enter his kingdom. God knew that all of us would fall short due to our imperfections. This is why he provided a Christ so that we could repent of our sins and obtain a remission of them through Jesus Christ. This life is a temporary state. All men will resurrect and be given immortality. We come to this earth to receive a body just as Jesus did. We all will resurrect just as Jesus did. But not all will be granted access into the kingdom heaven. Only those who learn to change their life for the good and learn to love God and one another and keep the commandments of God.

Acts 24:15
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Doctrine and Covenants 76:17
17 And shall come forth; they who have done good, in the resurrection of the just; and they who have done evil, in the resurrection of the unjust.

Matthew 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Because it is essential for man to have free will to be like God, and because man is an eternal being and could not be created out of nothing, God cannot make man perfect but has to teach him and bring him along through making good choices. As man strives for perfection, he becomes more like his Father in heaven. And if he proves to be a good person then the blood of Christ will cleanse him of his sins to enter into the kingdom of heaven. We will all stand before God to be judged according to our works. Jesus will save all mankind from an eternal death by granting them resurrection and immortality. But not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven which is also known as eternal life. Only those who can live a celestial law and love God and his eternal truths will be allowed into his kingdom. The rest will go to various other kingdom which God has prepared for them based on their judgment.

Regarding those who have died without a knowledge of Jesus Christ will have a chance in the world of spirits once they are dead to hear the gospel. They must receive the saving ordinance from those who are still living on this earth but they will be preached to in the spirit world before they are brought to judgment. This why there have been baptisms for the dead and why the spirits in spirit prison are preached to.


1 Corinthians 15:29
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

 

[yiostheoy]

I don't see free will myself.

God and the U.S. Constitutional Founders gave you freewill and you can do or try to do anything that pleases you.

You might get arrested and tried and put into prison depending on your choices, but still you were given the gift.

That's what free will is.

You do have it.

Slaves do not have it.

If you are not American then you are a slave.

If you are American then you have free will.

God does not interfere. Not at all.

 

[yiostheoy]

In my view God will forgive and change the nature and life of all murderers , rapist , robbers and any other sinner; hell is just the grave plain and simple. And we humans need that change ; it is our destiny ; we all make it.

Your Faerie Godmother might do that.

But I seriously doubt that a just omniscient Being would.

But you keep dreaming.

 

[kjw47]

I don't see free will myself.

God and the U.S. Constitutional Founders gave you freewill and you can do or try to do anything that pleases you.

You might get arrested and tried and put into prison depending on your choices, but still you were given the gift.

That's what free will is.

You do have it.

Slaves do not have it.

If you are not American then you are a slave.

If you are American then you have free will.

God does not interfere. Not at all.

God gives free will---govts make you pay $ to exercise your free will-- if I want to go fishing( which God gave us free) govts make you pay $ to be able to go legally. Americans have free will to sin.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God needs a hell because fallen angels and Satan are spirit. They are eternal. Jesus never kills Satan, he chains him for 1,000 years, ultimately sentencing him to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Those humans who choose to die draped in their sin rather than to accept the gift of a sin free record by way of Christ, will reside in Hell until their name is called on the docket at the White Throne Judgment. There they will plead their case.

Hell was not created for humans, but humans can get there if they choose.

 

[kjw47]

God needs a hell because fallen angels and Satan are spirit. They are eternal. Jesus never kills Satan, he chains him for 1,000 years, ultimately sentencing him to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Those humans who choose to die draped in their sin rather than to accept the gift of a sin free record by way of Christ, will reside in Hell until their name is called on the docket at the White Throne Judgment. There they will plead their case.

Hell was not created for humans, but humans can get there if they choose.

Not one has a sin free record-- if you think so, then explain to all why the apostles all died and paid their own wages of sin as have all who have died. The wages of sin= death--
The ones changed in the twinkling of an eye( little flock) during the tribulation will never taste death--these are covered over by Jesus' death and the great multitude who will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth are covered as well.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God needs a hell because fallen angels and Satan are spirit. They are eternal. Jesus never kills Satan, he chains him for 1,000 years, ultimately sentencing him to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Those humans who choose to die draped in their sin rather than to accept the gift of a sin free record by way of Christ, will reside in Hell until their name is called on the docket at the White Throne Judgment. There they will plead their case.

Hell was not created for humans, but humans can get there if they choose.

Not one has a sin free record-- if you think so, then explain to all why the apostles all died and paid their own wages of sin as have all who have died. The wages of sin= death--
The ones changed in the twinkling of an eye( little flock) during the tribulation will never taste death--these are covered over by Jesus' death and the great multitude who will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth are covered as well.

Correct. No one has a sin free record. Sin is a blood issue and is passed down from generation to generation. That is where the pure blood of Christ comes in. Jews covered their sin temporarily with animal blood. Christ's blood removes your sin completely, once and for all. That is how we are given direct access to the Father again, no veil required. ( That veil in the Temple was torn in half during the earthquake while Christ hung on the cross.) If you accept that Christ died for your sins then God remembers your sin no more.
It is appointed to every man to die once. And we all do. It is the second death that Christians escape.

The twinkling of an eye is approx. 8.23 milliseconds. That is how long the rapture will take. It is debatable as to it happening before the trib period, or during the first 3 and 1/2 years into the 7 year trib. period. We do know that it happens BEFORE the anti-Christ sits in the Holy of Holies and declares himself God. Because that is when all hell breaks loose. God's children are out of here before that happens because God's children are not appointed to God's wrath. And wrath is coming.

The only ones covered during Armageddon are the Messianic Jews that God seals to protect them from death. 144,000 of them from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe.
Consider who remains. If the rapture removes those belonging to Christ, then what is left? Those who follow the Anti-Christ, and have the mark, and the Jews. Only a remnant of Jews will be alive when Christ returns. Christ will judge the Nations according to their treatment of the Jews following the final battle at Har Megido. He never leaves us after that.

 

[kjw47]

God needs a hell because fallen angels and Satan are spirit. They are eternal. Jesus never kills Satan, he chains him for 1,000 years, ultimately sentencing him to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Those humans who choose to die draped in their sin rather than to accept the gift of a sin free record by way of Christ, will reside in Hell until their name is called on the docket at the White Throne Judgment. There they will plead their case.

Hell was not created for humans, but humans can get there if they choose.

Not one has a sin free record-- if you think so, then explain to all why the apostles all died and paid their own wages of sin as have all who have died. The wages of sin= death--
The ones changed in the twinkling of an eye( little flock) during the tribulation will never taste death--these are covered over by Jesus' death and the great multitude who will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth are covered as well.

Correct. No one has a sin free record. Sin is a blood issue and is passed down from generation to generation. That is where the pure blood of Christ comes in. Jews covered their sin temporarily with animal blood. Christ's blood removes your sin completely, once and for all. That is how we are given direct access to the Father again, no veil required. ( That veil in the Temple was torn in half during the earthquake while Christ hung on the cross.) If you accept that Christ died for your sins then God remembers your sin no more.
It is appointed to every man to die once. And we all do. It is the second death that Christians escape.

The twinkling of an eye is approx. 8.23 milliseconds. That is how long the rapture will take. It is debatable as to it happening before the trib period, or during the first 3 and 1/2 years into the 7 year trib. period. We do know that it happens BEFORE the anti-Christ sits in the Holy of Holies and declares himself God. Because that is when all hell breaks loose. God's children are out of here before that happens because God's children are not appointed to God's wrath. And wrath is coming.

The only ones covered during Armageddon are the Messianic Jews that God seals to protect them from death. 144,000 of them from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe.
Consider who remains. If the rapture removes those belonging to Christ, then what is left? Those who follow the Anti-Christ, and have the mark, and the Jews. Only a remnant of Jews will be alive when Christ returns. Christ will judge the Nations according to their treatment of the Jews following the final battle at Har Megido. He never leaves us after that.

The only ones going to heaven are the little flock( Luke 12:32) - these are the bride of Christ= 144,000
The great multitude are promised-EARTH( Matt 5:5) from Jesus and will be brought through into Gods kingdom. Proverbs 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

It does not say the trib will last for 7 years.

These accepted that Jesus died for them( Matt 7:22-23) but as it shows--no matter what they did in Jesus name, or how great they thought their love for him is, if they practice a sin( worker of iniquity)--Jesus says --he never even knew them. this is judgement time--many Jaws will be dropped to the floor-believing as you do.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Lord.
We all sin. We all fall short. We all have sin. If Christ didn't come here to remove it, then what do you think his mission was?

1 John 2:2
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world. By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.…

Here are Christ's commandments:
Love our Father
Love each other
Do that and you have kept the Law. Christ takes care of the rest. So repent of your sins (re-pent< return to the highest level) where you belong and let Christ handle Satan's charges against you.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God needs a hell because fallen angels and Satan are spirit. They are eternal. Jesus never kills Satan, he chains him for 1,000 years, ultimately sentencing him to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Those humans who choose to die draped in their sin rather than to accept the gift of a sin free record by way of Christ, will reside in Hell until their name is called on the docket at the White Throne Judgment. There they will plead their case.

Hell was not created for humans, but humans can get there if they choose.

Not one has a sin free record-- if you think so, then explain to all why the apostles all died and paid their own wages of sin as have all who have died. The wages of sin= death--
The ones changed in the twinkling of an eye( little flock) during the tribulation will never taste death--these are covered over by Jesus' death and the great multitude who will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth are covered as well.

Correct. No one has a sin free record. Sin is a blood issue and is passed down from generation to generation. That is where the pure blood of Christ comes in. Jews covered their sin temporarily with animal blood. Christ's blood removes your sin completely, once and for all. That is how we are given direct access to the Father again, no veil required. ( That veil in the Temple was torn in half during the earthquake while Christ hung on the cross.) If you accept that Christ died for your sins then God remembers your sin no more.
It is appointed to every man to die once. And we all do. It is the second death that Christians escape.

The twinkling of an eye is approx. 8.23 milliseconds. That is how long the rapture will take. It is debatable as to it happening before the trib period, or during the first 3 and 1/2 years into the 7 year trib. period. We do know that it happens BEFORE the anti-Christ sits in the Holy of Holies and declares himself God. Because that is when all hell breaks loose. God's children are out of here before that happens because God's children are not appointed to God's wrath. And wrath is coming.

The only ones covered during Armageddon are the Messianic Jews that God seals to protect them from death. 144,000 of them from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe.
Consider who remains. If the rapture removes those belonging to Christ, then what is left? Those who follow the Anti-Christ, and have the mark, and the Jews. Only a remnant of Jews will be alive when Christ returns. Christ will judge the Nations according to their treatment of the Jews following the final battle at Har Megido. He never leaves us after that.

The only ones going to heaven are the little flock( Luke 12:32) - these are the bride of Christ= 144,000
The great multitude are promised-EARTH( Matt 5:5) from Jesus and will be brought through into Gods kingdom. Proverbs 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

It does not say the trib will last for 7 years.

These accepted that Jesus died for them( Matt 7:22-23) but as it shows--no matter what they did in Jesus name, or how great they thought their love for him is, if they practice a sin( worker of iniquity)--Jesus says --he never even knew them. this is judgement time--many Jaws will be dropped to the floor-believing as you do.

Then Paul lied. He said absent from the body, present with the Lord.
Before Christ paid for the sins of those who had died before His arrival, those souls went to Abraham's bosom. That is where Christ went for 3 days following His work on the cross. He preached to those in Hades, and brought those in Abraham's bosom with Him when he returned 3 days later. They accompanied Christ on his resurrection and ascension.
Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Abraham's bosom is no longer necessary. Now we go straight up if we belong to Christ.

 

[kjw47]

God needs a hell because fallen angels and Satan are spirit. They are eternal. Jesus never kills Satan, he chains him for 1,000 years, ultimately sentencing him to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Those humans who choose to die draped in their sin rather than to accept the gift of a sin free record by way of Christ, will reside in Hell until their name is called on the docket at the White Throne Judgment. There they will plead their case.

Hell was not created for humans, but humans can get there if they choose.

Not one has a sin free record-- if you think so, then explain to all why the apostles all died and paid their own wages of sin as have all who have died. The wages of sin= death--
The ones changed in the twinkling of an eye( little flock) during the tribulation will never taste death--these are covered over by Jesus' death and the great multitude who will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth are covered as well.

Correct. No one has a sin free record. Sin is a blood issue and is passed down from generation to generation. That is where the pure blood of Christ comes in. Jews covered their sin temporarily with animal blood. Christ's blood removes your sin completely, once and for all. That is how we are given direct access to the Father again, no veil required. ( That veil in the Temple was torn in half during the earthquake while Christ hung on the cross.) If you accept that Christ died for your sins then God remembers your sin no more.
It is appointed to every man to die once. And we all do. It is the second death that Christians escape.

The twinkling of an eye is approx. 8.23 milliseconds. That is how long the rapture will take. It is debatable as to it happening before the trib period, or during the first 3 and 1/2 years into the 7 year trib. period. We do know that it happens BEFORE the anti-Christ sits in the Holy of Holies and declares himself God. Because that is when all hell breaks loose. God's children are out of here before that happens because God's children are not appointed to God's wrath. And wrath is coming.

The only ones covered during Armageddon are the Messianic Jews that God seals to protect them from death. 144,000 of them from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe.
Consider who remains. If the rapture removes those belonging to Christ, then what is left? Those who follow the Anti-Christ, and have the mark, and the Jews. Only a remnant of Jews will be alive when Christ returns. Christ will judge the Nations according to their treatment of the Jews following the final battle at Har Megido. He never leaves us after that.

The only ones going to heaven are the little flock( Luke 12:32) - these are the bride of Christ= 144,000
The great multitude are promised-EARTH( Matt 5:5) from Jesus and will be brought through into Gods kingdom. Proverbs 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

It does not say the trib will last for 7 years.

These accepted that Jesus died for them( Matt 7:22-23) but as it shows--no matter what they did in Jesus name, or how great they thought their love for him is, if they practice a sin( worker of iniquity)--Jesus says --he never even knew them. this is judgement time--many Jaws will be dropped to the floor-believing as you do.

Then Paul lied. He said absent from the body, present with the Lord.
Before Christ paid for the sins of those who had died before His arrival, those souls went to Abraham's bosom. That is where Christ went for 3 days following His work on the cross. He preached to those in Hades, and brought those in Abraham's bosom with Him when he returned 3 days later. They accompanied Christ on his resurrection and ascension.
Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Abraham's bosom is no longer necessary. Now we go straight up if we belong to Christ.

there was a big earthquake and flooding rains upon the death of Jesus--bodies washed out of their graves--it does not say they were resurrected. Yes they appeared floating in the waters that carried them.
Here is 100% proof trinity religions do not speak truth

You see clearly Jesus was in Hades for 3 days correct?
In every trinity translsation on earth they have this error

truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise= error( comma placement to fit dogma)

truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise= correct---Jesus was in Hades for 3 days, he could not be in paradise on the first day.

trinity translations are filled with errors like this to fit false council dogmas. misleading those away from God. because one cannot accomplish this-John 4:22-24 when they are taught untruths.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Pure bullshit. The sky went dark at noon (no, it was not an eclipse, that was impossible given the location of the moon and the sun at Passover.) Scholars of the day and afterwards debated the cause of the event, ruling out eclipse. There was no flood recorded on that Passover. By no one anywhere.
And record keeping was important to the Jew. We actually know how many pilgrims were in the city, during that Passover because they kept tally of the animals that were sacrificed. The earthquake opened only the graves of those returning with Christ, because those souls needed their now glorified bodies back. They have them to this day, as does Christ.
And it does say they were resurrected with Christ. I pointed that out already in Matthew.
Christ went to Abraham's bosom, which was also referred to as Paradise, and the thief went with him. He spoke to those in Hades across the chasm that separated the two.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Because he loved enough to give the gift of freewill. He didn't want robots following a scripted life. .

Do you not see the irony in that?
How is free will 2 choices?
1. do what he says
2. spend eternity damned in a pit of fire

Not all believe in the wrong interpretation of Hell in the bible. Hell is nothing but the world of the dead which is where men,women and children will be resurrected from.

 

[kjw47]

Pure bullshit. The sky went dark at noon (no, it was not an eclipse, that was impossible given the location of the moon and the sun at Passover.) Scholars of the day and afterwards debated the cause of the event, ruling out eclipse. There was no flood recorded on that Passover. By no one anywhere.
And record keeping was important to the Jew. We actually know how many pilgrims were in the city, during that Passover because they kept tally of the animals that were sacrificed. The earthquake opened only the graves of those returning with Christ, because those souls needed their now glorified bodies back. They have them to this day, as does Christ.
And it does say they were resurrected with Christ. I pointed that out already in Matthew.
Christ went to Abraham's bosom, which was also referred to as Paradise, and the thief went with him. He spoke to those in Hades across the chasm that separated the two.

If you knew bible chronology--Its 100% fact--the first resurrection does not occur until this event takes place-Rev 6( war in heaven)--see he receives his crown--- that occurs before the first resurrection--and the other resurrection doesn't occur until post Har-mageddon.

Now how can Jesus actually speak to the dead when the bible is clear-- all thought stops upon ones death. It was symbolism being spoken of while he was in Hades. Not to mention the other fact--Eden translates-paradise--Paradise Jesus spoke about is here= new Earth. It most certainly is not in Hades. Hades translates--the grave. That is where Jesus was for 3 days.

 

[kjw47]

Lord.
We all sin. We all fall short. We all have sin. If Christ didn't come here to remove it, then what do you think his mission was?

1 John 2:2
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world. By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.…

Here are Christ's commandments:
Love our Father
Love each other
Do that and you have kept the Law. Christ takes care of the rest. So repent of your sins (re-pent< return to the highest level) where you belong and let Christ handle Satan's charges against you.

Jesus gave us 100,s of teachings--he meant every single one of them. Those that love him, learn and apply every single one.

 

[Mickiel]

Why would God need a hell , Christians are embarrasing enough to him.

 

[onefour1]

If God cannot make/create man to be perfect due to man's eternal nature and if free will is an eternal principal, then in order for God to have a heavenly place to dwell, i.e. the kingdom of heaven, he would need to keep those souls out of his kingdom who are not willing to live a celestial law. This would also apply to lower kingdoms. If a being is not willing to abide by the law of a lesser kingdom, he would need to be kept out of that kingdom as well. For those who are not willing to abide by any law of a kingdom, a place would need to be prepared where these may dwell. There are three main kingdoms of varying glory, the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. Those who do not inherit a kingdom of glory are sent to outer darkness. Such things were touched upon by Paul to the Corinthians in 1Corinthians 15. But these things have been revealed unto us in these latter-days.

Doctrine and Covenants 76
1 Hear, O ye heavens, and give ear, O earth, and rejoice ye inhabitants thereof, for the Lord is God, and beside him there is no Savior.
2 Great is his wisdom, marvelous are his ways, and the extent of his doings none can find out.
3 His purposes fail not, neither are there any who can stay his hand.
4 From eternity to eternity he is the same, and his years never fail.
5 For thus saith the Lord—I, the Lord, am merciful and gracious unto those who fear me, and delight to honor those who serve me in righteousness and in truth unto the end.
6 Great shall be their reward and eternal shall be their glory.
7 And to them will I reveal all mysteries, yea, all the hidden mysteries of my kingdom from days of old, and for ages to come, will I make known unto them the good pleasure of my will concerning all things pertaining to my kingdom.
8 Yea, even the wonders of eternity shall they know, and things to come will I show them, even the things of many generations.
9 And their wisdom shall be great, and their understanding reach to heaven; and before them the wisdom of the wise shall perish, and the understanding of the prudent shall come to naught.
10 For by my Spirit will I enlighten them, and by my power will I make known unto them the secrets of my will—yea, even those things which eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor yet entered into the heart of man.
11 We, Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, being in the Spirit on the sixteenth day of February, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-two—
12 By the power of the Spirit our eyes were opened and our understandings were enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God—
13 Even those things which were from the beginning before the world was, which were ordained of the Father, through his Only Begotten Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning;
14 Of whom we bear record; and the record which we bear is the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who is the Son, whom we saw and with whom we conversed in the heavenly vision.
15 For while we were doing the work of translation, which the Lord had appointed unto us, we came to the twenty-ninth verse of the fifth chapter of John, which was given unto us as follows—
16 Speaking of the resurrection of the dead, concerning those who shall hear the voice of the Son of Man:
17 And shall come forth; they who have done good, in the resurrection of the just; and they who have done evil, in the resurrection of the unjust.
18 Now this caused us to marvel, for it was given unto us of the Spirit.
19 And while we meditated upon these things, the Lord touched the eyes of our understandings and they were opened, and the glory of the Lord shone round about.
20 And we beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, and received of his fulness;
21 And saw the holy angels, and them who are sanctified before his throne, worshiping God, and the Lamb, who worship him forever and ever.
22 And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—
24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.
25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.
27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—
29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.
30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.
39 For all the rest shall be brought forth by the resurrection of the dead, through the triumph and the glory of the Lamb, who was slain, who was in the bosom of the Father before the worlds were made.
40 And this is the gospel, the glad tidings, which the voice out of the heavens bore record unto us—
41 That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world, and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world, and to cleanse it from all unrighteousness;
42 That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him;
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.
44 Wherefore, he saves all except them—they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment—
45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;
46 Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;
47 Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again;
48 Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation.
49 And we heard the voice, saying: Write the vision, for lo, this is the end of the vision of the sufferings of the ungodly.
50 And again we bear record—for we saw and heard, and this is the testimony of the gospel of Christ concerning them who shall come forth in the resurrection of the just—
51 They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given—
52 That by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of the hands of him who is ordained and sealed unto this power;
53 And who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true.
54 They are they who are the church of the Firstborn.
55 They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things—
56 They are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his fulness, and of his glory;
57 And are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek, which was after the order of Enoch, which was after the order of the Only Begotten Son.
58 Wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God—
59 Wherefore, all things are theirs, whether life or death, or things present, or things to come, all are theirs and they are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.
60 And they shall overcome all things.
61 Wherefore, let no man glory in man, but rather let him glory in God, who shall subdue all enemies under his feet.
62 These shall dwell in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever.
63 These are they whom he shall bring with him, when he shall come in the clouds of heaven to reign on the earth over his people.
64 These are they who shall have part in the first resurrection.
65 These are they who shall come forth in the resurrection of the just.
66 These are they who are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly place, the holiest of all.
67 These are they who have come to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of Enoch, and of the Firstborn.
68 These are they whose names are written in heaven, where God and Christ are the judge of all.
69 These are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood.
70 These are they whose bodies are celestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, whose glory the sun of the firmament is written of as being typical.
71 And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they who are of the terrestrial, whose glory differs from that of the church of the Firstborn who have received the fulness of the Father, even as that of the moon differs from the sun in the firmament.
72 Behold, these are they who died without law;
73 And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh;
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.
75 These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men.
76 These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness.
77 These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father.
78 Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun.
79 These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God.
80 And now this is the end of the vision which we saw of the terrestrial, that the Lord commanded us to write while we were yet in the Spirit.
81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.
82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus.
83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit.
84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.
85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work.
86 These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;
87 And the terrestrial through the ministration of the celestial.
88 And also the telestial receive it of the administering of angels who are appointed to minister for them, or who are appointed to be ministering spirits for them; for they shall be heirs of salvation.
89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
90 And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it.
91 And thus we saw the glory of the terrestrial which excels in all things the glory of the telestial, even in glory, and in power, and in might, and in dominion.
92 And thus we saw the glory of the celestial, which excels in all things—where God, even the Father, reigns upon his throne forever and ever;
93 Before whose throne all things bow in humble reverence, and give him glory forever and ever.
94 They who dwell in his presence are the church of the Firstborn; and they see as they are seen, and know as they are known, having received of his fulness and of his grace;
95 And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.
96 And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.
97 And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.
98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;
99 For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas.
100 These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch;
101 But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.
102 Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud.
103 These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
104 These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.
105 These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.
106 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work;
107 When he shall deliver up the kingdom, and present it unto the Father, spotless, saying: I have overcome and have trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.
108 Then shall he be crowned with the crown of his glory, to sit on the throne of his power to reign forever and ever.
109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;
110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;
111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;
112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.
113 This is the end of the vision which we saw, which we were commanded to write while we were yet in the Spirit.
114 But great and marvelous are the works of the Lord, and the mysteries of his kingdom which he showed unto us, which surpass all understanding in glory, and in might, and in dominion;
115 Which he commanded us we should not write while we were yet in the Spirit, and are not lawful for man to utter;
116 Neither is man capable to make them known, for they are only to be seen and understood by the power of the Holy Spirit, which God bestows on those who love him, and purify themselves before him;
117 To whom he grants this privilege of seeing and knowing for themselves;
118 That through the power and manifestation of the Spirit, while in the flesh, they may be able to bear his presence in the world of glory.
119 And to God and the Lamb be glory, and honor, and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

[Mickiel]

There are no laws in the Kingdom of God, none are needed; there is no free will there either;only God's will.