Why would a God even need a hell?

[Mudda]

We went through this already. You have nothing. Your link doesn't prove that god made the universe. CERN never claimed that anyways.

I know it flusters you to believe that the universe had a beginning like the Bible tells us, but you are going to have to face the facts that science tells us that it did.

We both know that you never proved anything. Sober up already.

lol. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. If it is a periodic universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. The model by Steinhardt and Turok does not have this problem. They have cycles but the size of the cycle increases with time. So the next cycle is bigger than the first. So in this sense the total entropy of the universe still increases but the entropy you see in your limited region may not grow. This model does no contradict the inflation model because since each cycle is bigger than the previous cycle you still have expansion. And since you still have expansion, it still has to have a beginning because if you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. The best explanation for how the universe began is the inflation model. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

You don't prove anything by talking, you prove what you say by backing it up with links to real science that actually back up exactly what you say. But since we've been over this already several times, then we must conclude that you know you have nothing so you don't even try to link anything properly. Time to give up brah.

I just gave you real science.

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

 

[ding]

I know it flusters you to believe that the universe had a beginning like the Bible tells us, but you are going to have to face the facts that science tells us that it did.

We both know that you never proved anything. Sober up already.

lol. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. If it is a periodic universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. The model by Steinhardt and Turok does not have this problem. They have cycles but the size of the cycle increases with time. So the next cycle is bigger than the first. So in this sense the total entropy of the universe still increases but the entropy you see in your limited region may not grow. This model does no contradict the inflation model because since each cycle is bigger than the previous cycle you still have expansion. And since you still have expansion, it still has to have a beginning because if you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. The best explanation for how the universe began is the inflation model. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

You don't prove anything by talking, you prove what you say by backing it up with links to real science that actually back up exactly what you say. But since we've been over this already several times, then we must conclude that you know you have nothing so you don't even try to link anything properly. Time to give up brah.

I just gave you real science.

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

 

[Mudda]

We both know that you never proved anything. Sober up already.

lol. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. If it is a periodic universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. The model by Steinhardt and Turok does not have this problem. They have cycles but the size of the cycle increases with time. So the next cycle is bigger than the first. So in this sense the total entropy of the universe still increases but the entropy you see in your limited region may not grow. This model does no contradict the inflation model because since each cycle is bigger than the previous cycle you still have expansion. And since you still have expansion, it still has to have a beginning because if you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. The best explanation for how the universe began is the inflation model. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

You don't prove anything by talking, you prove what you say by backing it up with links to real science that actually back up exactly what you say. But since we've been over this already several times, then we must conclude that you know you have nothing so you don't even try to link anything properly. Time to give up brah.

I just gave you real science.

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

 

[ding]

lol. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. If it is a periodic universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. The model by Steinhardt and Turok does not have this problem. They have cycles but the size of the cycle increases with time. So the next cycle is bigger than the first. So in this sense the total entropy of the universe still increases but the entropy you see in your limited region may not grow. This model does no contradict the inflation model because since each cycle is bigger than the previous cycle you still have expansion. And since you still have expansion, it still has to have a beginning because if you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. The best explanation for how the universe began is the inflation model. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

You don't prove anything by talking, you prove what you say by backing it up with links to real science that actually back up exactly what you say. But since we've been over this already several times, then we must conclude that you know you have nothing so you don't even try to link anything properly. Time to give up brah.

I just gave you real science.

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Don't get upset, friend. Just sit back and light another joint. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

 

[Mudda]

You don't prove anything by talking, you prove what you say by backing it up with links to real science that actually back up exactly what you say. But since we've been over this already several times, then we must conclude that you know you have nothing so you don't even try to link anything properly. Time to give up brah.

I just gave you real science.

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Don't get upset, friend. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

 

[ding]

I just gave you real science.

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Don't get upset, friend. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

 

[Mudda]

But you that doesn't tie in with you trying to prove a god. Where's the beef?

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Don't get upset, friend. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

 

[ding]

Sure it does. The universe requires a first cause which must be eternal and unchanging. The laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. What don't you understand?

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Don't get upset, friend. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

 

[Mudda]

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Don't get upset, friend. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

So there was a big void or matter or what?

 

[ding]

Don't get upset, friend. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

So there was a big void or matter or what?

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

 

[Mudda]

I'll forget for a second that you just spewed out more clown farts, so then tell us, what was before the Big Bang?

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

So there was a big void or matter or what?

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

 

[ding]

The laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Thus the universe becomes self aware.

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

So there was a big void or matter or what?

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

 

[Mudda]

Someone open an internet window, the clown farts are piling up!!!

The question was: what was before the Big Bang?

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

So there was a big void or matter or what?

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

 

[ding]

I told you what was before the big bang. The same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe. The same laws of nature which pre-destined that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

So there was a big void or matter or what?

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

 

[Mudda]

So there was a big void or matter or what?

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

The topic is why would god even need a hell? Because he's a douchebag, that's why.

 

[ding]

No matter. Just a curious void which held potential as the laws of nature were already in place.

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

The topic is why would god even need a hell? Because he's a douchebag, that's why.

He doesn't need a hell. Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. Why are you blaming God for giving you what you want?

 

[Mudda]

You just spew stuff out willy-nilly without ANY real scientific proof. Fucking clown.

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

The topic is why would god even need a hell? Because he's a douchebag, that's why.

He doesn't need a hell. Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. Why are you blaming God for giving you what you want?

Where did you hear that "Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God."?

 

[ding]

Intelligence creates intelligence because it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. Beings that know and create were pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before time and space. You were present at the time space and time were created. All matter in the universe is entangled. Cause and effect tell us that there is reason and purpose. The evolution of matter tells us that the purpose of the universe is to create consciousness. The universe has become self aware thus proving that intelligence created intelligence.

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

The topic is why would god even need a hell? Because he's a douchebag, that's why.

He doesn't need a hell. Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. Why are you blaming God for giving you what you want?

Where did you hear that "Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God."?

This is at least the 4th time I have explained this to you.

 

[Mudda]

More clown farts that you don't back up. I'm bored.

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

The topic is why would god even need a hell? Because he's a douchebag, that's why.

He doesn't need a hell. Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. Why are you blaming God for giving you what you want?

Where did you hear that "Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God."?

This is at least the 4th time I have explained this to you.

So you don't remember where you heard that?

 

[ding]

How many times have you gotten high this morning?

The topic is why would god even need a hell? Because he's a douchebag, that's why.

He doesn't need a hell. Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. Why are you blaming God for giving you what you want?

Where did you hear that "Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God."?

This is at least the 4th time I have explained this to you.

So you don't remember where you heard that?

Why does it matter?