Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JakeStarkey]

JRK, the one thing you have right is that the BHO admin has used drones better than the bushies. In almost all other ways, this admin has far outperformed the neo-cons.

JRK has merely repeated the same old nonsense again and again and again.

And he does it while real Americans have suffered and died for mistakes made by people like him.

 

[JRK]

JRK, the one thing you have right is that the BHO admin has used drones better than the bushies. In almost all other ways, this admin has far outperformed the neo-cons.

JRK has merely repeated the same old nonsense again and again and again.

And he does it while real Americans have suffered and died for mistakes made by people like him.

Jake your way out of line
I have had nothing to do with any-ones death
you attack Americans like me and never mention the real people of terror such as Saddam and OBL
Jake that would be strike 2
Jake do not ever make a statement about me like that again, my beliefs and who I am ever again or I will put you on ignore (again)
And as far as what I say on this message board, if you do not like it, ignore it
You have not got the courage to debate these facts, that is fine
But it is time for you either put up pr shut up, you got no balls to put your beliefs out there to be scrutinized does not give you the right to attack me or any one else you dis agree with

Jake those Americans who you claim suffered and died did it so you could sit behind that key board and conduct your self as you have
SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR YOU
Those people who harmed those people Jake are evil so why you continue to attack me and other Americans while ignore that fact is becoming very suspicious as to who and what you really are Jake

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK, your support of the neo-cons means that you have everything to do with their failures in the last decade.

I know Iraqis, JRK. I know Iranians, JRK. I have known them since their war during the 1970s. I have been good friends with those who hated Saddam and those who opposed the mullahs.

We despise ignorant fools, like you, JRK, who have worked against the real Americans who are trying to make the world a better place.

JRK, you have no moral authority every to speak for these heroes: they despise you.

You are on ignore,

 

[JRK]

JRK, your support of the neo-cons means that you have everything to do with their failures in the last decade.

I know Iraqis, JRK. I know Iranians, JRK. I have known them since their war during the 1970s. I have been good friends with those who hated Saddam and those who opposed the mullahs.

We despise ignorant fools, like you, JRK, who have worked against the real Americans who are trying to make the world a better place.

JRK, you have no moral authority every to speak for these heroes: they despise you.

You are on ignore,

I have to every speak Jake?
Who despise me Jake? the troops you have said nothing good about?
The troops that you have ignored for 3000 posts on this thread Jake?
You have only attacked Jake
not once have you said anything about the enemies of this free world Jake
Not once have you shared with us why you has so nothing to say about Saddam, OBL or any-one else who has harmed our troops or the troops of the 34 countries that went with is to Iraq and the others that have went to Afghan
For 3000 posts with-in this thread all you have done is attack me and fellow Americans

Ignore?
Jake you want to put me on ignore?
Only because I make you look at who and what you are Jake, I am fine with it bud

I hold no hard feelings, to be honest Jake I feel sorry for you

 

[Lakhota]

Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

Ask the families of the dead and wounded soldiers if their sacrifice in Iraq was worth the cost.

 

[JRK]

Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

Ask the families of the dead and wounded soldiers if their sacrifice in Iraq was worth the cost.

Your using the sacrifice of people who volunteered to go to Iraq and defend this country and to assure you have the same freedoms today you had when you where born?
Not one death comes without pain, not one

Why is it you your so quick to use those deaths to promote an agenda and not once speak out about those who were actually responsible for that death?
There was 6 million violent crimes in this country last year
There was 160 police officers killed in the US in 2010
in a 10 year span that would be 1600

Evil people are every where, yet those sacrifices are how on being different in those you use to promote your agenda?
Those people are evil, the people who killed our troops in Iraq and Afghan are evil, without them no-one dies
Try and show a little respect for that would you? it is memorial day
And I do not recall ever stating violence of any kind was a good thing. We had an event, 9-11
We had no choice but to end the reign of terror in both of those countries and yes Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded
It was part of the reason we went

Former CIA director George Tenet reveals in his own autobiography, At the Center of the Storm, some of the intelligence that backed up Powell’s presentation. More than one dozen other al Qaeda terrorists had joined Zarqawi in Baghdad. One of them was an Egyptian known as Abu Ayyub al Masri, who had served Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, since the 1980s. After Zarqawi was killed in 2006, al Masri took his place as the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Al Masri himself was killed earlier this year, and his widow confirmed that they had moved to central Baghdad in 2002

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK, you have no moral authority to speak for the heroes.

Every good American despises neo-cons like you, including the troops.

I have clearly over the months demonstrated your distortions of the truth for what they are, JRK.

JRK, you have ignored the harm done to the Guard and the Reserve because of repeated tours.

You have tried to ignore the terrible damage done to the economy.

JRK, you have ignored that Iraq draws closer to Iran every day.

JRK has injured the character of our veterans, the dignity of our country, and the image of America every time he defends the indefensible.

And he wants to put me on ignore? Go ahead, JRK, you won't have to face the truth anymore about your worthless personally and of your immoral positions.

 

[Lakhota]

Pentagon: No Saddam-Al Qaeda Link - CBS News

 

[JRK]

JRK, you have no moral authority to speak for the heroes.

Every good American despises neo-cons like you, including the troops.

I have clearly over the months demonstrated your distortions of the truth for what they are, JRK.

JRK, you have ignored the harm done to the Guard and the Reserve because of repeated tours.

You have tried to ignore the terrible damage done to the economy.

JRK, you have ignored that Iraq draws closer to Iran every day.

JRK has injured the character of our veterans, the dignity of our country, and the image of America every time he defends the indefensible.

And he wants to put me on ignore? Go ahead, JRK, you won't have to face the truth anymore about your worthless personally and of your immoral positions.

I thought you was going to put me on ignore Jake?
Look at your thread Jake
not one word about the evil
not one word of thanks to those who sacrificed
your entire thread is filled with hate about me Jake
why?
Jake chill out, I am not the enemy
And as far as me facing the truth from you?
Jake I really do feel sorry for you and yes I am putting you on ignore Jake, you have no class bud
I wish I could help you Jake, and I am sure there are people who love you feel the same

Jake, chill out
Saddam was evil
OBL, same
attacking me has become childish

Like I said before I hold no hard feelings, i really do feel sorry for you

 

[JRK]

Pentagon: No Saddam-Al Qaeda Link - CBS News

Who said anything about a Saddam link?
That is the left wing media spinning the truth
Al Qaeda was in Iraq in the 90s and when they fled Afghan some went to Iraq, One of the very reasons we had to go there

There was Saddam
There where weapons
There was 550 metric tons of yellow cake
there was Al Qaeda
Blair elaborates:

There is an interesting sidebar to this. It later emerged that [Abu Musab] al-Zarqawi, the deputy to bin Laden, had come to Iraq in May 2002, had had meetings with senior Iraqis and established a presence there in October 2002. This intelligence has not been withdrawn, by the way. Probably we should have paid more attention to its significance, but we were so keen not to make a false claim about al Qaeda and Saddam that we somewhat understated it, at least on the British side.

Blair’s testimony directly contradicts the Democrats. Still, in the British manner, he continues to understate the case.

Intelligence compiled by American officials, as well as the testimony of known al Qaeda associates, confirms that al Qaeda established a significant presence in Iraq prior to March 2003. The evidence that al Qaeda was in Iraq before the war is simply overwhelming. And it helps to explain why the insurgency became so lethal.

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

This story evolved over time
it was not until 2008 we made public of the 550 metric tons of yellow cake
It was not until 2010 we confirmed that Al Qaeda was in Iraq prior to invading (public ally anny-way)
read the thread

 

[JRK]

In an audiotape released on February 11, 2003, bin Laden explained why. “It is true that Saddam is a thief and an apostate, but the solution is not to be found in moving the government of Iraq from a local thief to a foreign one,” bin Laden argued. “There is no harm in such circumstances if the Muslims’ interests coincide with those of the socialists in fighting the Crusaders, despite our firm conviction that they are infidels.  .  .  .  There is nothing wrong with a convergence of interests here.”

Bin Laden’s message was clear. Saddam may be a socialist “infidel,” but he is preferable to the United States and Britain. The terror master called on Muslims to fight alongside Saddam’s forces. And Saddam himself clearly saw a “convergence of interests” as well.

In an interview with Agence France-Presse in 2004, Hudayfa Azzam said that Saddam had welcomed al Qaeda “with open arms” and “strictly and directly” controlled their activities inside Iraq. Azzam was in a position to know. He is the son of one of al Qaeda’s earliest and most influential leaders, Abdullah Azzam, and maintained extensive contacts with al Qaeda leaders inside Iraq.

Muhammad al Masari, a Saudi who operates a known al Qaeda front in London and has helped recruit suicide bombers to fight in Iraq, has offered a similar account. In his book The Secret History of al Qaeda, Abdel Bari Atwan recounts a conversation he had with al Masari. Saddam “saw that Islam would be key to the formation of a cohesive resistance in the event of invasion,” according to al Masari. Thus, Saddam funded the relocation of al Qaeda operatives to Iraqi soil. Al Masari says that Saddam also ordered officers in the Iraqi military to purchase “small plots of land from  .  .  .   farmers in Sunni areas” and then bury “arms and money caches for later use by the resistance.”

There is much more evidence in this vein, including, for instance, Iraqi intelligence documents recovered after the fall of Saddam. Some of the documents demonstrate that Saddam called on hundreds of terrorists from around the Middle East to come to Iraq in the months leading up to the war. Many of them had been trained by Saddam’s regime beginning in the late 1990s. In early 2003, Saddam opened his border with Syria to allow this stream of terrorists in. In one recovered document, Saddam ordered his military to “utilize” Arab suicide bombers against the invading forces. This was almost certainly a reference to al Qaeda.

All of this may sound like a belated attempt to relitigate the case for war. It is not. Reasonable people can differ on how to handle Saddam’s prewar sponsorship of terrorists, including al Qaeda. Tony Blair does not present Saddam’s terrorist ties as a major justification for war. By the same token, it is simply false to claim, as Obama and the Democrats have, that Al Qaeda in Iraq “didn’t exist before our invasion.”

Al Qaeda in Iraq | Foundation for Defense of Democracies

 

[JRK]

Al Qaeda in Iraq | Foundation for Defense of Democracies
Bin Laden’s message was clear. Saddam may be a socialist “infidel,” but he is preferable to the United States and Britain. The terror master called on Muslims to fight alongside Saddam’s forces. And Saddam himself clearly saw a “convergence of interests” as well.

In an interview with Agence France-Presse in 2004, Hudayfa Azzam said that Saddam had welcomed al Qaeda “with open arms” and “strictly and directly” controlled their activities inside Iraq. Azzam was in a position to know. He is the son of one of al Qaeda’s earliest and most influential leaders, Abdullah Azzam, and maintained extensive contacts with al Qaeda leaders inside Iraq.

Muhammad al Masari, a Saudi who operates a known al Qaeda front in London and has helped recruit suicide bombers to fight in Iraq, has offered a similar account. In his book The Secret History of al Qaeda, Abdel Bari Atwan recounts a conversation he had with al Masari. Saddam “saw that Islam would be key to the formation of a cohesive resistance in the event of invasion,” according to al Masari. Thus, Saddam funded the relocation of al Qaeda operatives to Iraqi soil. Al Masari says that Saddam also ordered officers in the Iraqi military to purchase “small plots of land from  .  .  .   farmers in Sunni areas” and then bury “arms and money caches for later use by the resistance.”

There is much more evidence in this vein, including, for instance, Iraqi intelligence documents recovered after the fall of Saddam. Some of the documents demonstrate that Saddam called on hundreds of terrorists from around the Middle East to come to Iraq in the months leading up to the war. Many of them had been trained by Saddam’s regime beginning in the late 1990s. In early 2003, Saddam opened his border with Syria to allow this stream of terrorists in. In one recovered document, Saddam ordered his military to “utilize” Arab suicide bombers against the invading forces. This was almost certainly a reference to al Qaeda.

All of this may sound like a belated attempt to relitigate the case for war. It is not. Reasonable people can differ on how to handle Saddam’s prewar sponsorship of terrorists, including al Qaeda. Tony Blair does not present Saddam’s terrorist ties as a major justification for war. By the same token, it is simply false to claim, as Obama and the Democrats have, that Al Qaeda in Iraq “didn’t exist before our invasion.”

More important, the Democrats’ politically convenient antiwar arguments have obscured a deeper truth. The war for Iraq was clearly part of the broader war against al Qaeda. Saddam’s regime and al Qaeda made it so. This is undoubtedly what Blair meant when he wrote that Saddam’s decision to host al Qaeda inside Iraq had “severe consequences” and that Britain and the United States probably “should have paid more attention” to this intelligence.

In the end, Blair laments the fact that he did not do more to connect the struggle for Iraq with the broader war against Islamic extremism. Indeed, the Democrats still pretend that Iraq was a distraction.

When President Obama announced the end of combat operations in Iraq on August 31, he referred to al Qaeda’s presence in Iraq only in passing. Obama argued that “because of our drawdown in Iraq, we are now able to apply the resources necessary to go on offense.” The implication was that the war in Iraq was the “wrong battlefield.”

That is not how Blair sees it. Al Qaeda and “militant Islam” were the source of the “mess” inside Iraq. These were the same forces “we were fighting everywhere,” Blair writes. “Fighting them in Iraq was not therefore a diversion from the real battle. It had become part of it.”

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK, you have no moral authority to speak for the heroes.

Every good American despises neo-cons like you, including the troops.

I have clearly over the months demonstrated your distortions of the truth for what they are, JRK.

JRK, you have ignored the harm done to the Guard and the Reserve because of repeated tours.

You have tried to ignore the terrible damage done to the economy.

JRK, you have ignored that Iraq draws closer to Iran every day.

JRK has injured the character of our veterans, the dignity of our country, and the image of America every time he defends the indefensible.

And he wants to put me on ignore? Go ahead, JRK, you won't have to face the truth anymore about your worthless personally and of your immoral positions.

Like I said before I hold no hard feelings, i really do feel sorry for you

The evil is you and your words, JRK. the hate for those who disagree with you.

Yes, your type is the enemy of our country and its institutions and its beliefs and our people,

Those of us who understand you believe that you cannot be helped, JRK, that you have become so enmeshed with the perversion of neo-con ideals that you cannot find your way back,

Please stop defending the wrong.

 

[JRK]

JRK, you have no moral authority to speak for the heroes.

Every good American despises neo-cons like you, including the troops.

I have clearly over the months demonstrated your distortions of the truth for what they are, JRK.

JRK, you have ignored the harm done to the Guard and the Reserve because of repeated tours.

You have tried to ignore the terrible damage done to the economy.

JRK, you have ignored that Iraq draws closer to Iran every day.

JRK has injured the character of our veterans, the dignity of our country, and the image of America every time he defends the indefensible.

And he wants to put me on ignore? Go ahead, JRK, you won't have to face the truth anymore about your worthless personally and of your immoral positions.

Like I said before I hold no hard feelings, i really do feel sorry for you

The evil is you and your words, JRK. the hate for those who disagree with you.

Yes, your type is the enemy of our country and its institutions and its beliefs and our people,

Those of us who understand you believe that you cannot be helped, JRK, that you have become so enmeshed with the perversion of neo-con ideals that you cannot find your way back,

Please stop defending the wrong.

Jake I thought I was on Ignore?
What is it I am defending that is wrong?
removing mass murders?
Terrorist?
What exactly is a neo-con idea?
And exactly where is it I am trying to find my way back to?

 

[Mac1958]

Jake I thought I was on Ignore?
What is it I am defending that is wrong?
removing mass murders?
Terrorist?
What exactly is a neo-con idea?
And exactly where is it I am trying to find my way back to?

And now you become obtuse, right on cue.

You refuse to admit the horrific costs that have been paid by our soldiers for what you feel are victories. And yet you pretend to "support" those same troops, while questioning the motivations of people who are actually trying to keep them out of sham wars and hopeless danger.

Our soldiers deserve far better "supporters" than you, they deserve people who actually care about their lives, limbs, minds, families and children. Our soldiers are not pawns that you can use on a whim to police the planet, they are people who deserve better.

I'm sorry for them that people like you try to speak for them, that you claim to "support" them.

.

 

[Bloodline]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Find and eliminate Saddam Hussein's WMD and neutralize his ability to continue his WMD programs.

NOT DONE.

Nearly a trillion dollars in wasted tax money spent on a lie

DONE.

The near bankrupcy of the U.S. economy

DONE

4,487 soldiers dead and another 32,223 wounded

DONE

Loss of respect in the international community and the loss of our reputation as "peace keepers"

DONE

The destabilization of the power balance in the middle east and the creation of a dangerous power vacuum

DONE

The creation of deep seated hatred toward our country by a people who previously had none and the guarantee of retribution for generations

DONE

A president and his cabinent in retirement making money off of books and lectures instead of standing trial for war crimes thus setting a terrible precedent the next time WE want to call another tyrannical world leader a "criminal"

Done

Anymore questions?

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Find and eliminate Saddam Hussein's WMD and neutralize his ability to continue his WMD programs.

NOT DONE.

Nearly a trillion dollars in wasted tax money spent on a lie

DONE.

The near bankrupcy of the U.S. economy

DONE

4,487 soldiers dead and another 32,223 wounded

DONE

Loss of respect in the international community and the loss of our reputation as "peace keepers"

DONE

The destabilization of the power balance in the middle east and the creation of a dangerous power vacuum

DONE

The creation of deep seated hatred toward our country by a people who previously had none and the guarantee of retribution for generations

DONE

A president and his cabinent in retirement making money off of books and lectures instead of standing trial for war crimes thus setting a terrible precedent the next time WE want to call another tyrannical world leader a "criminal"

Done

Anymore questions?

You and Mac have the same respect level
The troops who gave it all never asked for your opinion, they felt it was the right thing to do. You should respect that
The debt?
In 2007 we were within 163 billion of a balanced budget, in 2010 it was well over 1 trillion
The difference?
The GOP and the Democratic party, not the enforcement of surrender terms

As far as respect? there was 34 countries in Iraq enforcing those terms of surrender

Crime? it is sad that each of you never state your facts to be disputed. You just make claims that have nothing back them up

And having Mac on your side? there are millions of marines who think allot if Mac and the way he honors there sacrifices
I would choose my friends more wisley

 

[JRK]

It amazes me the liberal mind hates GWB but never mention the real terrorist
Saddam killed millions
tortured the same
OBL attacked this country for no other reason than to kill and maim

Yet the far left attacks the very people who permanently removed those people from earth. To claim the middle east is un stable because Saddam is dead, Al Qaeda has been broken, that is not reality

 

[JakeStarkey]

Like I said before I hold no hard feelings, i really do feel sorry for you

The evil is you and your words, JRK. the hate for those who disagree with you.

Yes, your type is the enemy of our country and its institutions and its beliefs and our people,

Those of us who understand you believe that you cannot be helped, JRK, that you have become so enmeshed with the perversion of neo-con ideals that you cannot find your way back,

Please stop defending the wrong.

Jake I thought I was on Ignore?
What is it I am defending that is wrong?
removing mass murders?
Terrorist?
What exactly is a neo-con idea?
And exactly where is it I am trying to find my way back to?

After the dozens of times you kept saying I was on ignore and now it is fun to watch you hop up and down for being told the same thing. You are going to be on ignore, ignore, ignore, when I get around to it. You will just have to hop and up and down for now.

You guys damaged our economy, wrecked our military, and screwed up the Guard and Reserve.

You have no moral right to speak for the veterans.

That should be clear enough, hmmm?

 

[BreezeWood]

What exactly is a neo-con idea?

Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

not knowing the answer.