Will Republicans ever learn? Indiana governor to sign bill allowing business not to serve gays

[Disir]

Clinton sucked. He sucked bad. There was nothing liberal about him. Nothing.

Yeah and Bush sucked. He sucked bad. He was a socialist through and through. And Obama is an authoritarian socialist who sucks bad. There is nothing liberal about him either. Nothing.

Thus let's face it, both political parties are chock full of authoritarian socialist politicians that suck, bad.

Neither of them were socialists. At all. Bush took the hit for furthering the direction of education initiated by Clinton. Clinton signed changes into law that directly effected welfare that were bizarre. Bush rode as close to a theocracy as one can get. As long as everyone forgets Charitable Choice. And Obama is a neoliberal.

No child left behind, isn't socialist? Expansion of Medicare, isn't socialist? Expansion of control over the Middle East, isn't authoritarian socialist? HUH? Bush was a leftist through and through, maybe a bit to the right of Obama but that's not saying much.

Nope. NCLB isn't/ wasn't mandated. The states have more control then they ........pretend to. Medicare may be considered a wee bit socialist. Expansion of control over the Middle East isn't even close to authoritarian or any other socialist and Bush was about as far right as one can get.

Do you remember when the first round of the religious right hit the Republicans? Well, a lot of people left to the Democrats. Not because the Democrats represented liberal but because the Republicans had gone way too far right. They had money then. Democrats are Republican-lite.

I live in a state where NCLB was mandated. The state is TX. NCLB was mandated in TX while BUSH was governor. NCLB was one of Bush's signature pieces of work. Along with CHIPS, another socialist program. If the state does not implement NCLB they loose the federal funding for schools. However, the citizens of the state are still forced to fund the federal funding for schools for other states. That's socialism. Bend to our demands or we take all your money and then make you beg to bend over and take it.

Religious control over the population is not "right." It's authoritarian and socialist, where the social structure is selected by and managed by religious leaders. Yes I remember when religious leaders latched onto ex Democrat Reagan's family values pitch like dogs on a leash and changed the republican party model of conservatism and from religious tolerance and small government to an organization based on authoritarianism for conquering other nations for religious sake, adding socialist programs to our government for religious sake, and bigotry and hate for religious sake.

Colonialism is not conservative, it's authortarian. PNAC is an Authoritarian organization for forcing the world to bend to our will. After we destroyed Iraq, we then embarked on a program of central planning for a new social structure for the people of Iraq. If that's not socialism...

Texas created their response to NCLB in order to acquire the funding. I hear what you are saying.
But, they chose to.

This is important only because the responses are different. In fact, you will note that in many states the response is designed to fail. It is designed to fail to force faux privatization to other organizations that do not have to operate under the same standards or have the same scrutiny. Or what some nimrods call choice.

Texas gets a lot of federal funding. A lot.
http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Documents/Publications/Primer/1500_Top100FederalFundingSources.pdf

PNAC was neoconservative think tank. Religion is simply a useful device.

Setting up a chicken processing plant............had nothing to do with socialism. It had to do with the sheer stupidity of those that thought that would work and also for hiding cash. It had everything to do with oil. Religion is not socialism. It's actually used as a way to demand compliance and, often, via distribution of some service or charity that has received funding via tax payers.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

You stupid Libtards love to tell people how to run their lives, don't you?

You Right wing dingleberries love to try and run women's libidos..... the law should allow discrimination against fundamentalist Christians ....

 

[bripat9643]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

They don't want "tolerance." They want to compel people to serve them. They want the government to use force against innocent people. That's tyranny.

They have no right to be served. No one does.

 

[Disir]

Gov. Pence just made an ass of himself on Good Morning America!

George Stephanopoulos received his Master's degree in theology from Balliol College, Oxford University, England, where he studied as a Rhodes Scholar. He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Columbia University and graduated summa cum laude in political science. He was tenacious in his questioning and Pence stepped all around them, blaming the MSM for the current uproar. The best defense is a strong offense and Pence was as offensive as anyone, but for Dick Cheney.

Stephanopoulos was also a shithead that was Bill Clinton's press secretary. You know who Bill Clinton is, don't you? He was a President who was giving a Bill of Impeachment by the House of Representatives, caught lying under oath and was disbarred from being a lawyer, not to mention the sexual harassment cases against and getting blow jobs from young interns while at work. One of the most scumbag President s we ever had if not the most.

George Stephanopoulos has absolutely no moral claim whatsoever working for a scumbag like that.

Thanks so much for sharing your opinions, now, please post something of substance and do some research - doing so may give you some credibility.

Stephanopoulos only has credibility in the convoluted world of Moon Bats. The same world that includes such idiots as Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow.

By the way, everything I said about Clinton was true. Nothing of that was opinion. He was given a Bill of Impeachment by the House, he was found guilty of lying under oath, he was charged in a sexual harassment suit and he was exposed getting blow jobs from interns while at work. That pretty well well makes him a scumbag no matter how you look at it.

You can play the Moon Bat game of denial all you want but that just shows everybody what a fool you are.

Three of those you castigate are Rhodes Scholars, not to suggest all who achieve this honor are void of character flaws, but accomplished they are. To my point, your posts are self righteous to the extreme, and your rants seep with hate, simply because those whose character you smear hold ideas which challenge your own.

Does this ring a bell? "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

Being a proponent of freedom of religion is not hate, you nitwit.

A queer has the right to be queer all he wants. However, I should not be forced by the the filthy ass government to accommodate them, especially if I have religious convictions against it.

It all about freedom. A concept you Libtards are very confused about.

Hey, I'm down with it. I just want my freedom too. I'm a happy heterosexual. Be the fucknut you were meant to be. Post your sign so that I can be free not to frequent your establishment. It ain't rocket science.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

They don't want "tolerance." They want to compel people to serve them. They want the government to use force against innocent people. That's tyranny.

They have no right to be served. No one does.

Our little infant doesn't deal in reality, like Supreme Court decisions.

 

[Lakhota]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

They don't want "tolerance." They want to compel people to serve them. They want the government to use force against innocent people. That's tyranny.

They have no right to be served. No one does.

How would you feel if YOU were refused service for being mentally retarded?

 

[bripat9643]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

His "right" to be mean to faggots, and have society look the other way.

What is "right to be mean to faggots" supposed to mean? Does that mean I have the right to say things about them that aren't nice? Checkout the Bill of Rights. That right is called "The First Amendment."

You see, a right is the ability to do something whether society approves or not. If we can only do what society approves of, we have no rights at all. That's the Fascist conception of rights. It's no surprise that you endorse it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

What "right" is being denied? To buy a cake from a specific bakery is now a "right"?

And is it a right to ask a homosexual baker to make a cake with anti homosexual remarks? I can see the LWNJ's now, rallying to insist that homosexual baker MUST make that cake. Not.

The Indiana law is basically a duplicate of the federal RFRA, and joins more than a dozen other states with similar laws. It is not a grant to discriminate, it offers a defense.

The RFRA is just as flawed and as unnecessary as the Indiana measure; both are an unwise, unwarranted backlash to court rulings incorrectly perceived to be 'hostile' to 'religious liberty,' when in fact nothing could be further from the truth – the RFRA in response to Employment Division v. Smith, and the Indiana measure in response to the 7th U.S. Circuit Court's decision to uphold the invalidation of Indiana's measure violating the 14th Amendment rights of gay Americans concerning access to that state's marriage law.

Otherwise, in states and local jurisdictions with public accommodations laws prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation, such measures are necessary, proper, and Constitutional pursuant to Commerce Clause jurisprudence, and in no way 'violate' the religious liberty of private business owners.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

His "right" to be mean to faggots, and have society look the other way.

What is "right to be mean to faggots" supposed to mean? Does that mean I have the right to say things about them that aren't nice? Checkout the Bill of Rights. That right is called "The First Amendment."

You see, a right is the ability to do something whether society approves or not. If we can only do what society approves of, we have no rights at all. That's the Fascist conception of rights. It's no surprise that you endorse it.

Your version of being mean is, Hey buddy, we don't sell Cokes and gas to *******.

 

[bripat9643]

Why should anyone try to use religion to deprive others of equal rights?

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

They don't want "tolerance." They want to compel people to serve them. They want the government to use force against innocent people. That's tyranny.

They have no right to be served. No one does.

Our little infant doesn't deal in reality, like Supreme Court decisions.

Putting Jews in gas ovens was endorsed by the German courts. I'll bet you support that as well and call it "reality."

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Governor Pence is a one legged man who decided to enter an "ass kicking contest"....I pity the fool.....


The Disciples of Christ church sent a letter to Pence this week threatening to cancel its 2017 convention in Indianapolis.


“Our perspective is that hate and bigotry wrapped in religious freedom is still hate and bigotry,” Todd Adams, the associate general minister and vice president of the Indianapolis-based denomination, told The Indianapolis Star. Adams said the Disciples of Christ would instead seek a host city that is “hospitable and welcome to all of our attendees.”

 

[bripat9643]

what if they deny someone services and the dude or woman denies being gay...now what ? and all they want is clean clothes...

"some straight men are a bit effete and some straight women are kind of butch. Just because God made them like that doesn't mean their dry cleaning should get turned away."

If queers just kept their mouths shut about their sexual orientation 99.9% of the issue would disappear. It only appears with regards to certain events like weddings because then it can't be ignored. A lot of people don't want to have their faces rubbed in the queer lifestyle, and there's no reason they should.

So when two women want a wedding cake they're supposed to pretend they're not two women wanting a wedding cake?

You are so out of it.

They can do whatever they like, but no one has the right to compel a baker to sell them such a cake. Perhaps they could just try finding a baker who bakes wedding cakes for queers. I'm sure there are plenty of gay bakers in the world.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

No shirt no shoes non Hetero ? no service

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No shirt no shoes non Hetero ? no service

Yeah, that will be fun. No Irish, no Dogs, no Breeders...

 

[bripat9643]

Because religion is a powerful political weapon used by the state for centuries to compel conformity and punish dissent; many conservatives, who are for the most part authoritarian, wish to use this weapon today to oppose the change and diversity they fear by seeking to codify religious dogma into secular law – this is also why the Framers mandated that church and state remain separate, to prevent government from using this ancient, powerful political weapon to the disadvantage of citizens, such as prohibiting gay Americans from accessing marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

They aren't eligible. Marriage is union between a man and a woman. It always has been. And you're right about it being a powerful political tool. Queers are using it to ram acceptance of their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

The so-called "queers" just want tolerance and equal rights. What's wrong with that? What does that take away from you?

His "right" to be mean to faggots, and have society look the other way.

What is "right to be mean to faggots" supposed to mean? Does that mean I have the right to say things about them that aren't nice? Checkout the Bill of Rights. That right is called "The First Amendment."

You see, a right is the ability to do something whether society approves or not. If we can only do what society approves of, we have no rights at all. That's the Fascist conception of rights. It's no surprise that you endorse it.

Your version of being mean is, Hey buddy, we don't sell Cokes and gas to *******.

And your idea is wiping out entire peoples because they are Jewish scum.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

what if they deny someone services and the dude or woman denies being gay...now what ? and all they want is clean clothes...

"some straight men are a bit effete and some straight women are kind of butch. Just because God made them like that doesn't mean their dry cleaning should get turned away."

If queers just kept their mouths shut about their sexual orientation 99.9% of the issue would disappear. It only appears with regards to certain events like weddings because then it can't be ignored. A lot of people don't want to have their faces rubbed in the queer lifestyle, and there's no reason they should.

So when two women want a wedding cake they're supposed to pretend they're not two women wanting a wedding cake?

You are so out of it.

They can do whatever they like, but no one has the right to compel a baker to sell them such a cake. Perhaps they could just try finding a baker who bakes for wedding cakes for queers. I'm sure there are plenty of gay bakers in the world.

Yeah, we tried that strategy. It didn't work.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

why did the gay baseball slugger make so much money ...because good "batter" always makes good "dough" even if you are gay.....

 

[Lakhota]

Religious whiteys are desperately fighting for survival of their dominance.

 

[bripat9643]

You stupid Libtards love to tell people how to run their lives, don't you?

You Right wing dingleberries love to try and run women's libidos..... the law should allow discrimination against fundamentalist Christians ....

It should allow discrimination against anyone by private people. Government, on the other hand, is a different story.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

No Elton John for youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.....Gay Nazi....