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Dave -
Yes.. because people cannot easily do it by stepping in front of a train, taking an overdose of easily obtained illegal drugs, jumping off a 10 story building, etc
Statistically - they don't. Probably because not everyone has a train at hand when they feel suicidal.
What we know as a plain, simple, proven fact is that more successful suicides involve guns than most other methods, and that guns feature more in US suicides than in most other countries, because the guns are so easily available.
Reduce guns - reduce sucide. Australia has actually proven this as a statistical fact.
Because when you did back up the claim (and it is obviously true) he would a) demean the source, b) deflect to something unrelated, c) wimp out and never be heard from until he posted the same nonsense elsewhere.
Please back up your assertions with citations.
Rabbi -
Ah, so now you DO think posters should back up their claims? Just a few posts ago you said posters shouldn't back up their claims!
Here it is for you:
The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6).
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the Schools Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalentas in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning gunsrates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.
Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Guns and suicide: A fatal link
Rabbi on backing up claims:
Because when you did back up the claim (and it is obviously true) he would a) demean the source, b) deflect to something unrelated, c) wimp out and never be heard from until he posted the same nonsense elsewhere.
Please back up your assertions with citations.
Because when you did back up the claim (and it is obviously true) he would a) demean the source, b) deflect to something unrelated, c) wimp out and never be heard from until he posted the same nonsense elsewhere
What's wrong with enabling suicide? Liberals are always fighting for the right to die.
What's wrong with enabling suicide? Liberals are always fighting for the right to die.
With gun violence down, is America arming against an imagined threat?
With gun violence down, is America arming against an imagined threat?
A Pew study released Tuesday finds that Americans think gun violence has escalated when in reality it's way down from two decades ago. The violence has dropped, meanwhile, even as gun ownership has increased.
Mass shootings, frantic gun-buying, and more Americans legally carrying guns on the street all point to a country fighting a gun violence epidemic, right?
Not necessarily.
As part of a broader trend of declining crime, gun violence in America while still high relative to other Western countries has dropped by 49 percent from 1993 to 2011, while nonfatal gun crimes dropped by 69 percent, according to the US Justice Department.
How will a background check prevent someone from using an 'assault weapon' that he stole from his mother after killing her?There IS a whacko with an assault weapon problem. That's why a huge majority of the country wants background checks...
What's wrong with enabling suicide? Liberals are always fighting for the right to die.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with suicide, but any serious discussion about guns needs to take into consideration that more guns in society does mean more suicides.
What's wrong with enabling suicide? Liberals are always fighting for the right to die.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with suicide, but any serious discussion about guns needs to take into consideration that more guns in society does mean more suicides.
Not at all. You are assuming that a potential suicide won't commit suicide if they don't have access to a gun.
There will still be the same number of suicides, they will just use different methods.
What's wrong with enabling suicide? Liberals are always fighting for the right to die.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with suicide, but any serious discussion about guns needs to take into consideration that more guns in society does mean more suicides.
Not at all. You are assuming that a potential suicide won't commit suicide if they don't have access to a gun.
There will still be the same number of suicides, they will just use different methods.
What he's basing this "theory" on is that when people attempt suicide they are more successful using a gun than other methods.
Of course that makes many assumptions. The biggest is that everyone who attempts suicide is intent on completing the act. That is clearly not true, as many people only want attention or whatever. So they choose longer lasting methods in the hopes of getting rescued. Restricting guns wouldn't really change that at all.
Take a Step Back -
If you are ready to explain to me why it is ok that 14,000 Americans die of gun-related homicides each year, while the equivalent number in the UK is 41 - go right ahead.
It's the same level of "ok" as vehicular homicides.
This is a lie.Take a Step Back -
If you are ready to explain to me why it is ok that 14,000 Americans die of gun-related homicides each year...
It's the same level of "ok" as vehicular homicides.
Does the US experience 10 times as many road deaths per capita than any other western country?
No, it doesn't.
So then it is not the same, is it?
