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Jon -
Please remember to use links to back up your claims. Otherwise people will think they are jokes.
Rabbi -
Please try to stick to what is posted. I did not claim that countries with a lot of guns have high suicide rates.
There IS a whacko with an assault weapon problem. That's why a huge majority of the country wants background checks...
Jon -
Please remember to use links to back up your claims. Otherwise people will think they are jokes.
buzz off loser
There IS a whacko with an assault weapon problem. That's why a huge majority of the country wants background checks...
Jon -
Please remember to use links to back up your claims. Otherwise people will think they are jokes.
buzz off loser
Because when you did back up the claim (and it is obviously true) he would a) demean the source, b) deflect to something unrelated, c) wimp out and never be heard from until he posted the same nonsense elsewhere.
There is no persuading the incomprehending.
IOW there is no causal relationship between crime, suicide or anything else and gun ownership.
Rabbi -
Actually, no, it makes perfect sense. Guns do not cause violence - they ENABLE violence. In other words, they allow people who may wish to commit violence to do so more successfully.
That is why countries with more guns have more morders, of course.
The stats here don't matter.
Well, obviously they do - but what you mean is that they do not back up your case, hence you ignore them.
Rabbi -
To be honest, I'm not sure you are going to be able to understand this, but I'll do my best.
Because guns enable suicide, in countries where guns are often used to commit suicide, the ratio of successful suicides is higher.
This does NOT mean that the suicide rate is higher.
What it means is that a higher % of people who attempt suicide will actually die.
IOW there is no causal relationship between crime, suicide or anything else and gun ownership.
Of course not - but because of the above fact, the chances of death from suicide is higher in American households where a gun is owned. I'd be happy to post the research on this if you haven't already read it.
Arming against a fascist government that thinks it can take our rights away. Why would you be against the people doing this unless you're for that government?
Because you know it's based on paranoid delusions fed to you by people who make money out of your fear.
As much as people are triumphing the fall in gun crime - still 50,000 Americans will be deliberately shot this year.
Spoon-
but gun violence is dropping. it really speaks a lot to the fact that people owning guns is not the issue.
And yet the US has 20 times as many guns as the UK - and 20 times as many gun-related homicides. Or do you think that is coincidence?
take out the areas with leftist strict gun control laws
and the number drops way down
wise up America we do not have a gun problem
we have a leftist problem
Yes.. because people cannot easily do it by stepping in front of a train, taking an overdose of easily obtained illegal drugs, jumping off a 10 story building, etc
Mr. Hellstinky, where do you come up with this shit ?
Wildman -
Mr. Hellstinky, where do you come up with this shit ?
They are called facts.
48,676 people were intentionally shot who survived. (NCIPC)
18,610 people were unintentionally shot who survived. (NCIPC)
17,352 suicides (intentionally shot themselves who died) (CDC)
12,632 criminal firearm deaths (killed in a crime by guns) (CDC)
How many people get shot by someone using a gun each day in the US
Wildman -
Mr. Hellstinky, where do you come up with this shit ?
They are called facts.
48,676 people were intentionally shot who survived. (NCIPC)
18,610 people were unintentionally shot who survived. (NCIPC)
17,352 suicides (intentionally shot themselves who died) (CDC)
12,632 criminal firearm deaths (killed in a crime by guns) (CDC)
How many people get shot by someone using a gun each day in the US
With gun violence down, is America arming against an imagined threat?
With gun violence down, is America arming against an imagined threat?
A Pew study released Tuesday finds that Americans think gun violence has escalated when in reality it's way down from two decades ago. The violence has dropped, meanwhile, even as gun ownership has increased.
Mass shootings, frantic gun-buying, and more Americans legally carrying guns on the street all point to a country fighting a gun violence epidemic, right?
Not necessarily.
As part of a broader trend of declining crime, gun violence in America while still high relative to other Western countries has dropped by 49 percent from 1993 to 2011, while nonfatal gun crimes dropped by 69 percent, according to the US Justice Department.
Please back up your assertions with citations. Otherwise we all laugh at them.Rabbi -
To be honest, I'm not sure you are going to be able to understand this, but I'll do my best.
Because guns enable suicide, in countries where guns are often used to commit suicide, the ratio of successful suicides is higher.
This does NOT mean that the suicide rate is higher.
What it means is that a higher % of people who attempt suicide will actually die.
IOW there is no causal relationship between crime, suicide or anything else and gun ownership.
Of course not - but because of the above fact, the chances of death from suicide is higher in American households where a gun is owned. I'd be happy to post the research on this if you haven't already read it.
