World uniting against the United States

[Spoonman]

The world lives on spying

It always has

remember that in 2016 when we have a republican president

 

[RandallFlagg]

Big Brother is out of control. Anyone with common sense can see that. The People are now beginning to scream for change. Real change.

I don't know about that. The people who post on boards (like these) are "usually" fairly well informed on the issues. They are the exception. The vast majority of Americans can't be "bothered" to "stop, look and listen".

They are too busy on Facebook, Twitter, the latest news from Hollywood, etc. Some are just too busy putting food on the table (the economy is doing so well you know).

Big Brother has only just begun. Just wait.

Barry has 3 years of his miserable term left. You ain't seen nothing yet.

I promise you....you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[BlindBoo]

The point is valid in only that other countries' foreign policies can, and often do, differ from ours.

Obama's FP in many ways as mirrored GWB's neo-conservatism with the exception of drawing down the two big wars and facilitating our forces as a logistics and intelligence service in the other hotspots.

The rest of the world was far more dissatisfied with Bush's cowboying than Obama's rocking horse diplomacy.

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The point is valid in only that other countries' foreign policies can, and often do, differ from ours.

Obama's FP in many ways as mirrored GWB's neo-conservatism with the exception of drawing down the two big wars and facilitating our forces as a logistics and intelligence service in the other hotspots.

The rest of the world was far more dissatisfied with Bush's cowboying than Obama's rocking horse diplomacy.

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Actually, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. Barry supported the "students" who took over tahir square and supported the overthrow of an ally of America for the past 60 years.

Problem? Once again, the US was engaged in "nation building" - you refer to it as "overthrowing an evil dictator who doesn't govern the way WE expect him to". This man kept a nation of religious zealots and secular "pro-western ideology" Egyptians at bay for his entire time in power. Was he heavy-handed? You bet. However, was he any more "heavy-handed" than any other ruler for the past 2000 years? doubtful. Now, what has been accomplished?

We have a country that has descended into anarchy. Ismamic terrorist run freely, supported by a "elected" government of Islamic Jihadists. These "so-called" STUDENTS (code for Islamic Jihadists) are now running roughshod over the people and travel to this once great nation is discouraged. America has lost an extremely important ally in the region and "students" around the Middle East are throwing THEIR countries into anarchy.

Remember, this started with George Bush deciding that Iraq "wasn't the right kind of dictatorship". Barry Obama, being the astute "student" of history that he claims to be, threw caution to the wind and, just like Bush, supported the WRONG dictator again.

Politicians NEVER learn from the past. NEVER.

 

[Redfish]

The point is valid in only that other countries' foreign policies can, and often do, differ from ours.

Obama's FP in many ways as mirrored GWB's neo-conservatism with the exception of drawing down the two big wars and facilitating our forces as a logistics and intelligence service in the other hotspots.

The rest of the world was far more dissatisfied with Bush's cowboying than Obama's rocking horse diplomacy.

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Obama supported the muslim brotherhood in eqypt, that cannot be argued. He GAVE them F-16s and tanks which will very likely be used against Israel. The people of Egypt do not want the radical muslim brotherhood in power--they are revolting as we speak.

obama backed the wrong side---------or was it the side he wanted to win???? you really have to question his motives. Either he supports radical islam or he is a dimwitted idiot.

 

[Zarius]

It's like WWII redux only America stands in the place where Nazis once stood.

European officials lash out at new NSA spying report - CBS News

"If the media reports are accurate, then this recalls the methods used by enemies during the Cold War," Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger said in a statement to The Associated Press.

"It is beyond comprehension that our friends in the United States see Europeans as enemies," she said, calling for an "immediate and comprehensive" response from the U.S. government to the claims.

Other European officials demanded an explanation from the U.S.

"I am deeply worried and shocked about the allegations," European Parliament President Martin Schulz said in a statement, according to CNN. "If the allegations prove to be true, it would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations. On behalf of the European Parliament, I demand full clarification and require further information speedily from the U.S. authorities with regard to these allegations."

obama is Stasi 2.0

In the words of Tupac

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Y1QfOpjXM]Tupac - Fuck The World - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Zarius]

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Obama supported the muslim brotherhood in eqypt, that cannot be argued. He GAVE them F-16s and tanks which will very likely be used against Israel. The people of Egypt do not want the radical muslim brotherhood in power--they are revolting as we speak.

obama backed the wrong side---------or was it the side he wanted to win???? you really have to question his motives. Either he supports radical islam or he is a dimwitted idiot.

Tell harrier and EdwardA I said hi.

 

[RandallFlagg]

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Obama supported the muslim brotherhood in eqypt, that cannot be argued. He GAVE them F-16s and tanks which will very likely be used against Israel. The people of Egypt do not want the radical muslim brotherhood in power--they are revolting as we speak.

obama backed the wrong side---------or was it the side he wanted to win???? you really have to question his motives. Either he supports radical islam or he is a dimwitted idiot.

And there you go. THAT is the $64,000 question. I believe, like you, that this is the outcome OBarry intended all along. Of course, the left would never cop to this, but I do believe it's true. In case no one has taken notice, chaos seems to follow OBarry everywhere he goes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Obama supported the muslim brotherhood in eqypt, that cannot be argued. He GAVE them F-16s and tanks which will very likely be used against Israel. The people of Egypt do not want the radical muslim brotherhood in power--they are revolting as we speak.

obama backed the wrong side---------or was it the side he wanted to win???? you really have to question his motives. Either he supports radical islam or he is a dimwitted idiot.

No, Obama did not support MB: a deliberately false interpretation that fools no one. His motives are not questionable at all Merely a far right reactionary continuing dislike of BHO.

We see Iraq growing closer to Iran and Syria, but no one is accusing Bush of supporting the enemies of America, although he made horrible decisions.

If Egypt and Syria join the MB, if Iran and Iraq grow closer: thank the neo-cons who made the wrong choices in the beginning.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Obama supported the muslim brotherhood in eqypt, that cannot be argued. He GAVE them F-16s and tanks which will very likely be used against Israel. The people of Egypt do not want the radical muslim brotherhood in power--they are revolting as we speak.

obama backed the wrong side---------or was it the side he wanted to win???? you really have to question his motives. Either he supports radical islam or he is a dimwitted idiot.

No, Obama did not support MB: a deliberately false interpretation that fools no one. His motives are not questionable at all Merely a far right reactionary continuing dislike of BHO.

We see Iraq growing closer to Iran and Syria, but no one is accusing Bush of supporting the enemies of America, although he made horrible decisions.

If Egypt and Syria join the MB, if Iran and Iraq grow closer: thank the neo-cons who made the wrong choices in the beginning.

http://www.cristyli.com/?p=17554

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/opinion/roger-cohen-working-with-the-muslim-brotherhood.html?_r=0

http://freebeacon.com/anti-government-protests-sweep-egypt/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ama-increases-support-for-muslim-brotherhood/

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/12/obama-doubles-down-on-the-muslim-brotherhood.php

http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2013/...muslim-brotherhood-agent-as-syrias-new-ruler/

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06...pports-egypts-president-elect-mohammed-morsi/

 

[JakeStarkey]

Blogs, reactionary opinion column writers, crazy nut rags from the far right: have anything worthy and solid that can point to Obama and his folks deliberately supporting the MB? No, of course. I know it is all a conspiracy.

You try this with Christie and he will rightfully call you "ignorant" and not to use it in support of his campaign.

Randall Flagg's post merely reinforces my "No, Obama did not support MB: a deliberately false interpretation that fools no one. His motives are not questionable at all Merely a far right reactionary continuing dislike of BHO."

 

[Uncensored2008]

I thought they were supposed to love us now that Obama is the president. What happened?

They actually met Obama.....

 

[RandallFlagg]

Blogs, reactionary opinion column writers, crazy nut rags from the far right: have anything worthy and solid that can point to Obama and his folks deliberately supporting the MB? No, of course. I know it is all a conspiracy.

You try this with Christie and he will rightfully call you "ignorant" and not to use it in support of his campaign.

Randall Flagg's post merely reinforces my "No, Obama did not support MB: a deliberately false interpretation that fools no one. His motives are not questionable at all Merely a far right reactionary continuing dislike of BHO."

Really? try telling that to the Muslim Brotherhood:

RECOMMENDED READING: ?Obama Doctrine: Alliance with Muslim Brotherhood to Promote Middle East ?Stability?? :: The Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Watch

Granted. It didn't come from MSNBC or the Huffington Post or Bill Maher's show, so it CAN'T be real, right?

 

[Uncensored2008]

If/When Russia and EU strike at America, the smartest thing the people could do is rise up against this corrupt oligarchy and drive Obama and his posse from power - with the force of arms.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It came from "The Global Muslim Brotherhood Watch" is where it came from

Do you have anything at all of worth to offer in support of your claim? This would be like a far left blog claiming Rick Perry was working with our far right reactionaries like Uncensored and Buckeyes to bring "stability" to America.

 

[BlindBoo]

obama supported a takeover of egypt by radical muslims, same in libya, and now syria. Whose side is he really on?

Bush was respected, obama is treated like a clown. Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy.

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Actually, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. Barry supported the "students" who took over tahir square and supported the overthrow of an ally of America for the past 60 years.

Problem? Once again, the US was engaged in "nation building" - you refer to it as "overthrowing an evil dictator who doesn't govern the way WE expect him to". This man kept a nation of religious zealots and secular "pro-western ideology" Egyptians at bay for his entire time in power. Was he heavy-handed? You bet. However, was he any more "heavy-handed" than any other ruler for the past 2000 years? doubtful. Now, what has been accomplished?

We have a country that has descended into anarchy. Ismamic terrorist run freely, supported by a "elected" government of Islamic Jihadists. These "so-called" STUDENTS (code for Islamic Jihadists) are now running roughshod over the people and travel to this once great nation is discouraged. America has lost an extremely important ally in the region and "students" around the Middle East are throwing THEIR countries into anarchy.

Remember, this started with George Bush deciding that Iraq "wasn't the right kind of dictatorship". Barry Obama, being the astute "student" of history that he claims to be, threw caution to the wind and, just like Bush, supported the WRONG dictator again.

Politicians NEVER learn from the past. NEVER.

“That means protecting the rights of Egypt’s citizens, lifting the emergency law, revising the Constitution and other laws to make this change irreversible, and laying out a clear path to elections that are fair and free,” he said. “Above all, this transition must bring all of Egypt’s voices to the table.”

In his remarks, Mr. Obama promised “whatever assistance is necessary” to pursue a “credible transition to a democracy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12diplomacy.html

That to me is a lot different, and cheaper, than invading and occupying a nation. Do you really think the West was behind the unrest in Egypt? Nobody ever said the transition to democracy would be easy, smooth or that the end product would resemble a Western Style Democracy. Frankly, the Islamics still want to unify the Arab under one nation too.

 

[Redfish]

Actually we supported democratic reforms and a transition from a authoritarian dictatorships. You don't like who they elected. Surprise looks like a lot of Egyptians feel the same way. It's not at all surprising an authoritarian like Putin doesn't like the leader of the free world. What is surprising is the number of posters who side with the Russian leader.

Actually, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. Barry supported the "students" who took over tahir square and supported the overthrow of an ally of America for the past 60 years.

Problem? Once again, the US was engaged in "nation building" - you refer to it as "overthrowing an evil dictator who doesn't govern the way WE expect him to". This man kept a nation of religious zealots and secular "pro-western ideology" Egyptians at bay for his entire time in power. Was he heavy-handed? You bet. However, was he any more "heavy-handed" than any other ruler for the past 2000 years? doubtful. Now, what has been accomplished?

We have a country that has descended into anarchy. Ismamic terrorist run freely, supported by a "elected" government of Islamic Jihadists. These "so-called" STUDENTS (code for Islamic Jihadists) are now running roughshod over the people and travel to this once great nation is discouraged. America has lost an extremely important ally in the region and "students" around the Middle East are throwing THEIR countries into anarchy.

Remember, this started with George Bush deciding that Iraq "wasn't the right kind of dictatorship". Barry Obama, being the astute "student" of history that he claims to be, threw caution to the wind and, just like Bush, supported the WRONG dictator again.

Politicians NEVER learn from the past. NEVER.

“That means protecting the rights of Egypt’s citizens, lifting the emergency law, revising the Constitution and other laws to make this change irreversible, and laying out a clear path to elections that are fair and free,” he said. “Above all, this transition must bring all of Egypt’s voices to the table.”

In his remarks, Mr. Obama promised “whatever assistance is necessary” to pursue a “credible transition to a democracy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12diplomacy.html

That to me is a lot different, and cheaper, than invading and occupying a nation. Do you really think the West was behind the unrest in Egypt? Nobody ever said the transition to democracy would be easy, smooth or that the end product would resemble a Western Style Democracy. Frankly, the Islamics still want to unify the Arab under one nation too.

stop the spin, obama backed the wrong side. Face it and deal with it.

 

[Zarius]

Actually, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. Barry supported the "students" who took over tahir square and supported the overthrow of an ally of America for the past 60 years.

Problem? Once again, the US was engaged in "nation building" - you refer to it as "overthrowing an evil dictator who doesn't govern the way WE expect him to". This man kept a nation of religious zealots and secular "pro-western ideology" Egyptians at bay for his entire time in power. Was he heavy-handed? You bet. However, was he any more "heavy-handed" than any other ruler for the past 2000 years? doubtful. Now, what has been accomplished?

We have a country that has descended into anarchy. Ismamic terrorist run freely, supported by a "elected" government of Islamic Jihadists. These "so-called" STUDENTS (code for Islamic Jihadists) are now running roughshod over the people and travel to this once great nation is discouraged. America has lost an extremely important ally in the region and "students" around the Middle East are throwing THEIR countries into anarchy.

Remember, this started with George Bush deciding that Iraq "wasn't the right kind of dictatorship". Barry Obama, being the astute "student" of history that he claims to be, threw caution to the wind and, just like Bush, supported the WRONG dictator again.

Politicians NEVER learn from the past. NEVER.

“That means protecting the rights of Egypt’s citizens, lifting the emergency law, revising the Constitution and other laws to make this change irreversible, and laying out a clear path to elections that are fair and free,” he said. “Above all, this transition must bring all of Egypt’s voices to the table.”

In his remarks, Mr. Obama promised “whatever assistance is necessary” to pursue a “credible transition to a democracy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12diplomacy.html

That to me is a lot different, and cheaper, than invading and occupying a nation. Do you really think the West was behind the unrest in Egypt? Nobody ever said the transition to democracy would be easy, smooth or that the end product would resemble a Western Style Democracy. Frankly, the Islamics still want to unify the Arab under one nation too.

stop the spin, obama backed the wrong side. Face it and deal with it.

why are you just Redfish here and not Redfish1?

 

[Redfish]

“That means protecting the rights of Egypt’s citizens, lifting the emergency law, revising the Constitution and other laws to make this change irreversible, and laying out a clear path to elections that are fair and free,” he said. “Above all, this transition must bring all of Egypt’s voices to the table.”

In his remarks, Mr. Obama promised “whatever assistance is necessary” to pursue a “credible transition to a democracy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12diplomacy.html

That to me is a lot different, and cheaper, than invading and occupying a nation. Do you really think the West was behind the unrest in Egypt? Nobody ever said the transition to democracy would be easy, smooth or that the end product would resemble a Western Style Democracy. Frankly, the Islamics still want to unify the Arab under one nation too.

stop the spin, obama backed the wrong side. Face it and deal with it.

why are you just Redfish here and not Redfish1?

don't understand your question. this is the only time I have used that user name. never used it on any other forum.

if it was a dupe I don't think they would have allowed me to use it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Actually, I couldn't disagree with your assessment more. Barry supported the "students" who took over tahir square and supported the overthrow of an ally of America for the past 60 years.

Problem? Once again, the US was engaged in "nation building" - you refer to it as "overthrowing an evil dictator who doesn't govern the way WE expect him to". This man kept a nation of religious zealots and secular "pro-western ideology" Egyptians at bay for his entire time in power. Was he heavy-handed? You bet. However, was he any more "heavy-handed" than any other ruler for the past 2000 years? doubtful. Now, what has been accomplished?

We have a country that has descended into anarchy. Ismamic terrorist run freely, supported by a "elected" government of Islamic Jihadists. These "so-called" STUDENTS (code for Islamic Jihadists) are now running roughshod over the people and travel to this once great nation is discouraged. America has lost an extremely important ally in the region and "students" around the Middle East are throwing THEIR countries into anarchy.

Remember, this started with George Bush deciding that Iraq "wasn't the right kind of dictatorship". Barry Obama, being the astute "student" of history that he claims to be, threw caution to the wind and, just like Bush, supported the WRONG dictator again.

Politicians NEVER learn from the past. NEVER.

“That means protecting the rights of Egypt’s citizens, lifting the emergency law, revising the Constitution and other laws to make this change irreversible, and laying out a clear path to elections that are fair and free,” he said. “Above all, this transition must bring all of Egypt’s voices to the table.”

In his remarks, Mr. Obama promised “whatever assistance is necessary” to pursue a “credible transition to a democracy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12diplomacy.html

That to me is a lot different, and cheaper, than invading and occupying a nation. Do you really think the West was behind the unrest in Egypt? Nobody ever sai. d the transition to democracy would be easy, smooth or that the end product would resemble a Western Style Democracy. Frankly, the Islamics still want to unify the Arab under one nation too.

stop the spin, obama backed the wrong side. Face it and deal with it.

You, Redfish, are spinning. Obama played it as narrowly as he could, and now we deal with the results.

Redfish, why do seem to have a problem with peoples determining their fates?