Would an Executive Order for Amnesty Create a Constitutional Showdown?

[M14 Shooter]

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

Now that Reid can no longer ignore bills send over from the house, it's a good bet that Congress will get a lot more done.

 

[hadit]

Like stopping the closing of Gitmo, all Congress has to do is pass a bill to stop the E.O. So no Constitutional crisis. With control of both chambers of Congress, if the GOP can't get that done, it will just show how powerless they are.

Nice that we're already talking about not only gridlock but a constitutional crisis between the prick in the Whitehouse and Congress.

As long as he's there nothing gets done.

Gridlock maintains the status quo. There is no Constitutional crisis. It is a cycle that keeps repeating itself. (How much was spent and where did it all go?)

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

Now that the obstructionists are no longer in power, they will proceed to give Obama legislation to sign.

 

[hadit]

Like stopping the closing of Gitmo, all Congress has to do is pass a bill to stop the E.O. So no Constitutional crisis. With control of both chambers of Congress, if the GOP can't get that done, it will just show how powerless they are.

Nice that we're already talking about not only gridlock but a constitutional crisis between the prick in the Whitehouse and Congress.

As long as he's there nothing gets done.

Gridlock maintains the status quo. There is no Constitutional crisis. It is a cycle that keeps repeating itself. (How much was spent and where did it all go?)

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

There is no compromising with a man whose approach to things is "I Won".

And "they can come along for the ride, but they'll have to ride in the back of the bus".

 

[mudwhistle]

A joint resolution could stop Obola dead in his tracks.

They are not binding, podjo.

In the United States Congress, a joint resolution is a legislative measure that requires approval by the Senate and the House and is presented to the President for his approval or disapproval. However, joint resolutions used to propose amendments to the United States Constitution do not require the approval of the President.[1]

Joint resolution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Like stopping the closing of Gitmo, all Congress has to do is pass a bill to stop the E.O. So no Constitutional crisis. With control of both chambers of Congress, if the GOP can't get that done, it will just show how powerless they are.

Nice that we're already talking about not only gridlock but a constitutional crisis between the prick in the Whitehouse and Congress.

As long as he's there nothing gets done.

Gridlock maintains the status quo. There is no Constitutional crisis. It is a cycle that keeps repeating itself. (How much was spent and where did it all go?)

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

Harry Reid was the wall protecting Obama from facing the consequences of an active Congress. He's on his way out.

And compromise has more than one meaning. The Democrats want us to give in. That's what they call a compromise.​

 

[jwoodie]

Do you think Obama will spit in the face of the Constitution?

Obama defiant vows immigration action this year - Yahoo News

it isn't unconstitutional. but thanks for your "expertise".

was it unconstitutional when baby bush signed the law that allowed the kids in from south America?

no.

dismissed.

Dear Princess Jillian:

Signing a bill is not unconstitutional.

Now it's time for your nap.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

Now that Reid can no longer ignore bills send over from the house, it's a good bet that Congress will get a lot more done.

Still, if they are not willing to compromise nothing will get done.

 

[BlindBoo]

Like stopping the closing of Gitmo, all Congress has to do is pass a bill to stop the E.O. So no Constitutional crisis. With control of both chambers of Congress, if the GOP can't get that done, it will just show how powerless they are.

Nice that we're already talking about not only gridlock but a constitutional crisis between the prick in the Whitehouse and Congress.

As long as he's there nothing gets done.

Gridlock maintains the status quo. There is no Constitutional crisis. It is a cycle that keeps repeating itself. (How much was spent and where did it all go?)

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

Now that the obstructionists are no longer in power, they will proceed to give Obama legislation to sign.

Now that the old obstructionist find themselves in the majority will they get as good as the gave? Will the Democrats be able to march in lock step like the other side has for 4 combative years.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What if Congress passed a resolution invalidating an Executive Order? Might make an interesting legal argument...

Do you even know what a resolution is?

Jesus Christ, where did you people go to school?

Yes, I know what a resolution is.

No, I am not Jesus Christ.

UCLA, plus two Masters and a Doctoral Degree.

Where did you go to "school?"

Only interesting, jw, but I think not much more. He can sign it, ignore it, stick his tongue out or whatever.

But I do suggest that Congress does that and when BHO says "uh uh", they file an immediate brief with SCOTUS. I suspect (but no way certain at all) SCOTUS would not want to get involved with the other two co-equal brances.

 

[mudwhistle]

Like stopping the closing of Gitmo, all Congress has to do is pass a bill to stop the E.O. So no Constitutional crisis. With control of both chambers of Congress, if the GOP can't get that done, it will just show how powerless they are.

Nice that we're already talking about not only gridlock but a constitutional crisis between the prick in the Whitehouse and Congress.

As long as he's there nothing gets done.

Gridlock maintains the status quo. There is no Constitutional crisis. It is a cycle that keeps repeating itself. (How much was spent and where did it all go?)

The Congress of "No" deserves a fair share of the blame for gridlock as well. If they're still not willing to compromise, nothing will get done.

Now that the obstructionists are no longer in power, they will proceed to give Obama legislation to sign.

Now that the old obstructionist find themselves in the majority will they get as good as the gave? Will the Democrats be able to march in lock step like the other side has for 4 combative years.

I'm sure the Dems will do everything they can to prevent anything from working in Washington, which is really no change at all. This is what they've been doing since the 90s.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Resolutions are not binding on a president, so BHO would simply ignore it. Pass binding legislation, the president will veto it, and neither House nor Senate will be able to over ride it.

Obola would assure the defeat of Democrats in 2016 if he tries to grant amnesty. Even most legal immigrants are against it.

Matters not...by the time anything was done, millions of illegals would already have gotten amnesty. Their votes would more than counter the backlash.

 

[Jarlaxle]

This is the REAL scenario that will unfold, based on recent turmoil in the Arab Spring uprisings (most modern example of revolutions).

1: Obama uses EO to usurp the power of the elected general assembly (Congress). All power is hereby vested in Congress...

2: The General Congress starts the impeachment process.

3: Obama disbands Congress (history is full of over 100+ legendary examples of executives becoming dictators by suspending/abolishing the popular assembly).

4: House and Senate Democrats obey Obama's order to disband. A handful of RHINOS give some lip service against Obama, but also obey his order.

5: A House and Senate being composed only of real conservatives (since the liberals left), votes to impeach and remove Obama.

6: Obama says their vote is illegitimate, since he disbanded them. Lots of "Constitution was written by rich white slaver owners" propaganda "Time for the Change I promised" and Constitution is disbanded.

7: Civil War erupts between liberals and conservatives. Oathkeepers and Oathbreakers start the confrontation. "Ex-Pro-Constitutional Law Enforcement" now branded as "traitors" vs "Current/Pro-Obama Law Enforcement."

8: The liberal masses hide in their houses and cheer on the mass death wrought upon the Pro-Constitution terrorists.

9: The armed pro-Constitution population joins Oathkeepers.

10: Foreign nations come in to "save America from the terrorists."

11: Many "current Pro-Obama" forces abandon Obama and help resist foreign invaders, realizing what fuckups they were.

Now, for speculation.
12: In desperation, pro-Constitution forces use nukes against foreign invaders. Launching only two or three. They hit small cities, sending a message to China and Russia to fuck off and leave us alone.

Please lay off the absinthe.

 

[mudwhistle]

Resolutions are not binding on a president, so BHO would simply ignore it. Pass binding legislation, the president will veto it, and neither House nor Senate will be able to over ride it.

Obola would assure the defeat of Democrats in 2016 if he tries to grant amnesty. Even most legal immigrants are against it.

Matters not...by the time anything was done, millions of illegals would already have gotten amnesty. Their votes would more than counter the backlash.

So you like that.
You like watering down the electorate with votes from foreigners.

Fucken piece of shit.

 

[Jarlaxle]

If you can show where I approved of amnesty, I will give you one hundred trillion dollars! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...GO TO IT, BOY!

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like now that we're going to control Congress a few amendments will have to be made. Repealing the 14th amendment for one. Passing an amendment that makes the DACA illegal.

 

[mudwhistle]

If you can show where I approved of amnesty, I will give you one hundred trillion dollars! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...GO TO IT, BOY!

All I have to do is cut and paste your previous post.

 

[Jarlaxle]

No, that's wrong. Pointing out what will happen and approving of it are NOT the same thing.

 

[Syriusly]

Resolutions are not binding on a president, so BHO would simply ignore it. Pass binding legislation, the president will veto it, and neither House nor Senate will be able to over ride it.

Obola would assure the defeat of Democrats in 2016 if he tries to grant amnesty. Even most legal immigrants are against it.

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any post calling the president of the united states "obola" should be immediately moved to the basement as a troll ....

Obola blew it. Now Congress can amend the constitution and force him into obeying the will of the people. Amnesty will be ruled unconstitutional.

Do you even know how an amendment to the United States Constitution is passed?

 

[Syriusly]

This is the REAL scenario that will unfold, based on recent turmoil in the Arab Spring uprisings (most modern example of revolutions).

1: Obama uses EO to usurp the power of the elected general assembly (Congress). All power is hereby vested in Congress...

2: The General Congress starts the impeachment process.

3: Obama disbands Congress (history is full of over 100+ legendary examples of executives becoming dictators by suspending/abolishing the popular assembly).

4: House and Senate Democrats obey Obama's order to disband. A handful of RHINOS give some lip service against Obama, but also obey his order.

5: A House and Senate being composed only of real conservatives (since the liberals left), votes to impeach and remove Obama.

6: Obama says their vote is illegitimate, since he disbanded them. Lots of "Constitution was written by rich white slaver owners" propaganda "Time for the Change I promised" and Constitution is disbanded.

7: Civil War erupts between liberals and conservatives. Oathkeepers and Oathbreakers start the confrontation. "Ex-Pro-Constitutional Law Enforcement" now branded as "traitors" vs "Current/Pro-Obama Law Enforcement."

8: The liberal masses hide in their houses and cheer on the mass death wrought upon the Pro-Constitution terrorists.

9: The armed pro-Constitution population joins Oathkeepers.

10: Foreign nations come in to "save America from the terrorists."

11: Many "current Pro-Obama" forces abandon Obama and help resist foreign invaders, realizing what fuckups they were.

Now, for speculation.
12: In desperation, pro-Constitution forces use nukes against foreign invaders. Launching only two or three. They hit small cities, sending a message to China and Russia to fuck off and leave us alone.

That is the fantasy that the far right wing whackos so desperately want to happen.

Why any Americans would fantasize about a Civil War, I don't understand.

 

[Borillar]

This is the REAL scenario that will unfold, based on recent turmoil in the Arab Spring uprisings (most modern example of revolutions).

1: Obama uses EO to usurp the power of the elected general assembly (Congress). All power is hereby vested in Congress...

2: The General Congress starts the impeachment process.

3: Obama disbands Congress (history is full of over 100+ legendary examples of executives becoming dictators by suspending/abolishing the popular assembly).

4: House and Senate Democrats obey Obama's order to disband. A handful of RHINOS give some lip service against Obama, but also obey his order.

5: A House and Senate being composed only of real conservatives (since the liberals left), votes to impeach and remove Obama.

6: Obama says their vote is illegitimate, since he disbanded them. Lots of "Constitution was written by rich white slaver owners" propaganda "Time for the Change I promised" and Constitution is disbanded.

7: Civil War erupts between liberals and conservatives. Oathkeepers and Oathbreakers start the confrontation. "Ex-Pro-Constitutional Law Enforcement" now branded as "traitors" vs "Current/Pro-Obama Law Enforcement."

8: The liberal masses hide in their houses and cheer on the mass death wrought upon the Pro-Constitution terrorists.

9: The armed pro-Constitution population joins Oathkeepers.

10: Foreign nations come in to "save America from the terrorists."

11: Many "current Pro-Obama" forces abandon Obama and help resist foreign invaders, realizing what fuckups they were.

Now, for speculation.
12: In desperation, pro-Constitution forces use nukes against foreign invaders. Launching only two or three. They hit small cities, sending a message to China and Russia to fuck off and leave us alone.

Good plot for a novel. Highly unlikely reality would ever play out that way though.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What if Congress passed a resolution invalidating an Executive Order? Might make an interesting legal argument...

Or not, given the fact the courts generally refuse to get involved in conflicts between the legislative and executive in accordance with political question doctrine.