Would blacks be better off without whites?

[jwoodie]

Climate and topography hindered social and technological development in Sub-Saharan Africa. There was little or no need to develop sophisticated means of preparing for winter, and all of the major rivers had cataracts (falls) which hindered communication and trade with other peoples and areas. As a result family and tribal associations became the dominant organizational structure, which prevented the development of common written and spoken languages (which are essential to technological development).

 

[Rotagilla]

You obviously missed my point. Follow along. IF WHITES HAD NEVER VENTURED INTO AFRICA TO STEAL RESOURCES, PURCHASE SLAVES AND ATTEMPT TO CONQUER (as white men always have historically) AFRICA WOULDN'T BE IN THE TERRIBLE STATE THAT IT IS TODAY. Maybe if white men had come giving the gift of knowledge, technology and medicine things might be different. Just like North America and it's natives might have been different if the white man didn't come give them diseases, alcohol, take their land and murder the majority of their people.


•Pinky•

The American indian had the run of N. America since crossing the Bering land bridge during the ice age.
When Europeans arrived the American indian hadnt advanced past the stone age and likely never would have.

Precisely.

The same is true of africa.

 

[Rotagilla]

Without whites, blacks would only have themselves to blame for their collective failure.

The culture of corruption in Africa seems to be borne out of blacks judging themselves by European standards, as due to the world being shaped in the White man's image, they've been inundated with White society and what it expects from people since birth. That is why African leaders are so corrupt, because they crave all the goodies and innovations created by White society.

For Blacks, and Africa to be truly free, Blacks need to come together and reject White society and begin reclaiming the culture their ancestors developed before Europeans arrived in Africa. Only then would they be on the path to reclaiming their identity and racial sovereignty. All Whites would have to leave Africa, and in the process the infrastructure Whites designed and built would have to be wiped from the landscape, leaving no trace of their presence whatsoever.

Why would that need to happen when whites would never have been able to accomplish these things without being introduced to the maths and sciences necessary to do this by Black Africans?

Afro centrist lies.
africans didn't invent either math or science.

 

[BriannaMichele]

Are you implying that blacks aren't intelligent enough to have done so?





•Pinky•

Not at all. Could you answer my question, please.

Yes. And he's right. Look for yourself. Blacks may not be at the center of every ancient human accomplishment but they played a big part.


http://www.asbmb.org/asbmbtoday/asbmbtoday_article.aspx?id=32437



Metallurgy

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8).


Medicine

Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria.



Navigation

Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans.



Astrology


Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood.

A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events.


Math

Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4).

“the nerve of the world has been deadened for centuries to the vibrations of African genius”
- Ivan van sertima







•Pinky•

Are guys blind or just ignoring everything I posted that's clearly from a good source not to mention the multiple other sources to back?




•Pinky•

 

[Asclepias]

Without whites, blacks would only have themselves to blame for their collective failure.

The culture of corruption in Africa seems to be borne out of blacks judging themselves by European standards, as due to the world being shaped in the White man's image, they've been inundated with White society and what it expects from people since birth. That is why African leaders are so corrupt, because they crave all the goodies and innovations created by White society.

For Blacks, and Africa to be truly free, Blacks need to come together and reject White society and begin reclaiming the culture their ancestors developed before Europeans arrived in Africa. Only then would they be on the path to reclaiming their identity and racial sovereignty. All Whites would have to leave Africa, and in the process the infrastructure Whites designed and built would have to be wiped from the landscape, leaving no trace of their presence whatsoever.

Why would that need to happen when whites would never have been able to accomplish these things without being introduced to the maths and sciences necessary to do this by Black Africans?

Afro centrist lies.
africans didn't invent either math or science.

Your denial is amusing. You want to step up and take the Pepsi challenge or are you afraid?

 

[Rotagilla]

Without whites, blacks would only have themselves to blame for their collective failure.

Why would that need to happen when whites would never have been able to accomplish these things without being introduced to the maths and sciences necessary to do this by Black Africans?

Afro centrist lies.
africans didn't invent either math or science.

Your denial is amusing. You want to step up and take the Pepsi challenge or are you afraid?

They didn't invent math or science. No challenge to it.

 

[Asclepias]

Afro centrist lies.
africans didn't invent either math or science.

Your denial is amusing. You want to step up and take the Pepsi challenge or are you afraid?

They didn't invent math or science. No challenge to it.

You want to place any bets on it by preponderance of evidence? Say a week with the avatar of my choice? All you have to do is prove the earliest known instance of math and science was not on the African continent. What say you sissy?

 

[Swagger]

Are you implying that blacks aren't intelligent enough to have done so?





•Pinky•

Not at all. Could you answer my question, please.

Yes. And he's right. Look for yourself. Blacks may not be at the center of every ancient human accomplishment but they played a big part.


Great achievements in science and technology in ancient Africa



Metallurgy

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8).


Medicine

Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria.



Navigation

Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans.



Astrology


Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood.

A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events.


Math

Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4).

“the nerve of the world has been deadened for centuries to the vibrations of African genius”
- Ivan van sertima







•Pinky•

If the metallurgy and mathematics in pre-colonial Africa were allegedly so superior, how come these cultures hadn't exploited these advances to their full potential? I mean, if they had such a headstart, surely their architecture, engineering practices and weaponry would have reflected their supposed technological superiority. Why were they still living in dwellings built from mud and grass? Surely they didn't accrue this vast wealth of knowledge and then do nothing with it for the next few thousand years.

Furthermore, the author of the blog you've cited as a reference also uses rather tenuous sources herself, one being Ivan Van Sertima, who appears to have breathed life into the fantasies Asclepias believes in. His work has been largely debunked and refuted by leading academics from the fields he's covered.

You've yet to provide a convincing argument that can be substantiated by credible sources.

 

[Rotagilla]

Not at all. Could you answer my question, please.

Yes. And he's right. Look for yourself. Blacks may not be at the center of every ancient human accomplishment but they played a big part.


Great achievements in science and technology in ancient Africa



Metallurgy

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8).


Medicine

Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria.



Navigation

Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans.



Astrology


Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood.

A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events.


Math

Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4).

“the nerve of the world has been deadened for centuries to the vibrations of African genius”
- Ivan van sertima







•Pinky•

If the metallurgy and mathematics in pre-colonial Africa were allegedly so superior, how come these cultures hadn't exploited these advances to their full potential? I mean, if they had such a headstart, surely their architecture, engineering practices and weaponry would have reflected their supposed technological superiority. Why were they still living in dwellings built from mud and grass? Surely they didn't accrue this vast wealth of knowledge and then do nothing with it for the next few thousand years.

Furthermore, the author of the blog you've cited as a reference also uses rather tenuous sources herself, one being Ivan Van Sertima, who appears to have breathed life into the fantasies Asclepias believes in. His work has been largely debunked and refuted by leading academics from the fields he's covered.

You've yet to provid a convincing argument that can be substantiated by credible sources.

Correct.
... the "source" is an afro centrist negress biology teacher...citing OTHER afro centrist "historians".

 

[Asclepias]

I guess the 2 above dodge posts means no one is up for the challenge?

If Europeans invented math and science why do we use the Egyptians calendar?

 

[Asclepias]

Not at all. Could you answer my question, please.

Yes. And he's right. Look for yourself. Blacks may not be at the center of every ancient human accomplishment but they played a big part.


Great achievements in science and technology in ancient Africa



Metallurgy

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8).


Medicine

Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria.



Navigation

Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans.



Astrology


Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood.

A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events.


Math

Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4).

“the nerve of the world has been deadened for centuries to the vibrations of African genius”
- Ivan van sertima







•Pinky•

If the metallurgy and mathematics in pre-colonial Africa were allegedly so superior, how come these cultures hadn't exploited these advances to their full potential? I mean, if they had such a headstart, surely their architecture, engineering practices and weaponry would have reflected their supposed technological superiority. Why were they still living in dwellings built from mud and grass? Surely they didn't accrue this vast wealth of knowledge and then do nothing with it for the next few thousand years.

Furthermore, the author of the blog you've cited as a reference also uses rather tenuous sources herself, one being Ivan Van Sertima, who appears to have breathed life into the fantasies Asclepias believes in. His work has been largely debunked and refuted by leading academics from the fields he's covered.

You've yet to provide a convincing argument that can be substantiated by credible sources.

No one is trying to convince you. You just need to prove your comments are correct. BTW we wont take any sources from white historians. They simply are not credible since we know they have lied repeatedly throughout the years. You need to convince me your source (which you have not listed yet) are credible.

 

[Swagger]

Asclepias, do really expect me to take seriously someone who claims they deliberately entered a falsehood into one of their posts to test others, when everyone knows you made a glaring mistake?

 

[Rotagilla]

I guess the 2 above dodge posts means no one is up for the challenge?

If Europeans invented math and science why do we use the Egyptians calendar?

Who said europeans invented math and science?

 

[BriannaMichele]

Not at all. Could you answer my question, please.

Yes. And he's right. Look for yourself. Blacks may not be at the center of every ancient human accomplishment but they played a big part.


Great achievements in science and technology in ancient Africa



Metallurgy

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8).


Medicine

Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria.



Navigation

Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans.



Astrology


Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood.

A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events.


Math

Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4).

“the nerve of the world has been deadened for centuries to the vibrations of African genius”
- Ivan van sertima







•Pinky•

If the metallurgy and mathematics in pre-colonial Africa were allegedly so superior, how come these cultures hadn't exploited these advances to their full potential? I mean, if they had such a headstart, surely their architecture, engineering practices and weaponry would have reflected their supposed technological superiority. Why were they still living in dwellings built from mud and grass? Surely they didn't accrue this vast wealth of knowledge and then do nothing with it for the next few thousand years.

Furthermore, the author of the blog you've cited as a reference also uses rather tenuous sources herself, one being Ivan Van Sertima, who appears to have breathed life into the fantasies Asclepias believes in. His work has been largely debunked and refuted by leading academics from the fields he's covered.

You've yet to provide a convincing argument that can be substantiated by credible sources.

Honestly I've just come to the conclusion that no matter how many sources I give you , how much substantial evidence I give you and the rest of the people on this page that are obviously white, it's never going to be enough because theirs just something about racist white men that can't stand the idea of intelligent black people actually making historically monumental accomplishments.


•Pinky•

 

[Swagger]

You call a blog "substantial evidence"? Even one that cites sources that have been widely debunked?

 

[BriannaMichele]

Quite frankly it's disgusting that you guys are being this stubborn. "I want evidence of all white accomplishments in history from reliable sources or else you and every other white person can just throw it right out the window. First man on the moon was white but where's your evidence to prove he actually landed? Were you on the moon with him? I guess we can't be certain so the first man on the moon wasn't white. Erase it from history. White people are just lying. Your people haven't done squat and they still don't today ........" That's how stupid, defensive and envious all of you sound....


•Pinky•

 

[Rotagilla]

Yes. And he's right. Look for yourself. Blacks may not be at the center of every ancient human accomplishment but they played a big part.


Great achievements in science and technology in ancient Africa



Metallurgy

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans (8).


Medicine

Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria.



Navigation

Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans.



Astrology


Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood.

A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events.


Math

Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning (4).

“the nerve of the world has been deadened for centuries to the vibrations of African genius”
- Ivan van sertima







•Pinky•

If the metallurgy and mathematics in pre-colonial Africa were allegedly so superior, how come these cultures hadn't exploited these advances to their full potential? I mean, if they had such a headstart, surely their architecture, engineering practices and weaponry would have reflected their supposed technological superiority. Why were they still living in dwellings built from mud and grass? Surely they didn't accrue this vast wealth of knowledge and then do nothing with it for the next few thousand years.

Furthermore, the author of the blog you've cited as a reference also uses rather tenuous sources herself, one being Ivan Van Sertima, who appears to have breathed life into the fantasies Asclepias believes in. His work has been largely debunked and refuted by leading academics from the fields he's covered.

You've yet to provide a convincing argument that can be substantiated by credible sources.

Honestly I've just come to the conclusion that no matter how many sources I give you , how much substantial evidence I give you and the rest of the people on this page that are obviously white, it's never going to be enough because theirs just something about racist white men that can't stand the idea of intelligent black people actually making historically monumental accomplishments.


•Pinky•

...or you could research your "source" and see for yourself.

africans didn't discover math or science but no one here said they haven't made some contributions to civilization and society. Save all the drama and histrionics.

Caucasians are the most accomplished race in the world, however.
The most prominent, inventors, scientists, explorers, philosophers, mathematicians have all been caucasian.
That's just the way it is.

 

[BriannaMichele]

This is how much I care




•Pinky•

 

[Nutz]

If the metallurgy and mathematics in pre-colonial Africa were allegedly so superior, how come these cultures hadn't exploited these advances to their full potential? I mean, if they had such a headstart, surely their architecture, engineering practices and weaponry would have reflected their supposed technological superiority. Why were they still living in dwellings built from mud and grass? Surely they didn't accrue this vast wealth of knowledge and then do nothing with it for the next few thousand years.

Furthermore, the author of the blog you've cited as a reference also uses rather tenuous sources herself, one being Ivan Van Sertima, who appears to have breathed life into the fantasies Asclepias believes in. His work has been largely debunked and refuted by leading academics from the fields he's covered.

You've yet to provide a convincing argument that can be substantiated by credible sources.

Honestly I've just come to the conclusion that no matter how many sources I give you , how much substantial evidence I give you and the rest of the people on this page that are obviously white, it's never going to be enough because theirs just something about racist white men that can't stand the idea of intelligent black people actually making historically monumental accomplishments.


•Pinky•

...or you could research your "source" and see for yourself.

africans didn't discover math or science but no one here said they haven't made some contributions to civilization and society. Save all the drama and histrionics.

Caucasians are the most accomplished race in the world, however.
The most prominent, inventors, scientists, explorers, philosophers, mathematicians have all been caucasian.
That's just the way it is.

And what do you do? (when you are not in jail)

 

[Asclepias]

Asclepias, do really expect me to take seriously someone who claims they deliberately entered a falsehood into one of their posts to test others, when everyone knows you made a glaring mistake?

Do your really expect everyone to believe you didnt put your foot in your mouth? Prove there are not 4 triangles on a pyramid. You will see how deeply you have exposed the limits of your knowledge.